We weren't talking about Gard.
2nd tier Matty. Gard has already equaled matty’s Tourney success.
We weren't talking about Gard.
Yup. We're talking about Painter. 2nd tier might be a bit of a stretch. Could be third...We weren't talking about Gard.
With Bo Ryan's players.2nd tier Matty. Gard has already equaled matty’s Tourney success.
With Bo Ryan's players.
It must be very painful for you to know that our 3rd tier coach has beaten your "blueblood" program 10 of the last 11 times they've faced each other.Yup. We're talking about Painter. 2nd tier might be a bit of a stretch. Could be third...
Whatever makes you feel better about 2nd tier matty.
I’m fine with 2nd tier Gard. He’s young and only has a few years under his belt. Matty has been at Purdue 14 years. 14 years.
Gard is no Bo Ryan that's for sure. I wonder how long the Wisconsin AD will let him ride the coattails of his mentor? For the next 14 years I hope.Whatever makes you feel better about 2nd tier matty.
I’m fine with 2nd tier Gard. He’s young and only has a few years under his belt. Matty has been at Purdue 14 years. 14 years.
Gard is 3 months younger than Painter.
Gard is no Bo Ryan that's for sure. I wonder how long the Wisconsin AD will let him ride the coattails of his mentor? For the next 14 years I hope.
Agree. That's why I'm pretty happy with Painter's trajectory. He was easily the youngest coach in the Big Ten when he started at Purdue.Young as a head coach. Not in age. Although neither are really old.
Painter has done that with Purdue. Nothing to show for it.
But given the assumption that is true, I'm trying to reconcile how Beilein and Izzo are also clearly better than Painter at game management and talent development and yet over the last half decade, Painter has won more games in Big Ten play. Surely Painter is pretty good at something, right?
So I guess this means Edwards can't shoot either? Weird.Some interesting conference only numbers:
3pt%
Careson Edwards 30%
Romeo Langford 32%
Yep! The stats do not lie!So I guess this means Edwards can't shoot either? Weird.
#onesachuckeronesnot #illtakeromeo
Gene Keady won 7 games his last year at Purdue.
So I guess this means Edwards can't shoot either? Weird.
#onesachuckeronesnot #illtakeromeo
About what Bo won his last year.
According to KenPom, Purdue has had a more difficult conference schedule than MSU 4 of the last 5 years.Painter won "more reg season games in B1G play over the last 5 years", but schedules are unbalanced, injuries aren't considered, etc. Again, not taking anything away from Purdue or Painter, but you can't just say "Purdue won more regular season games with less talent, so he HAS to be a better game manager and talent developer"
He's definitely "pretty good at something". He definitely surprised me this year, because I didn't expect them to win a share of the title at all. I just believe he's a tier below Izzo/Beilein, no matter how many regular season wins he has over the last X-years.
Well done. It's the exact same number actually. Of course......
Wtf? I'll dumb it down for you. Coach A gets five star players. Coach B gets three-star players. Coach A gets more players in the NBA than Coach B. That's been the point all along. You want to argue whether it's true?You’re penalizing coaches who get better recruits when it comes to player development. Its a dumb argument.
what's the matter can't stand the truth about where Burke was rated? lets not act like Burke was some unknown BB player the Bielien turned into a superstarGTFO. This conversation was already going off the rails.
@bMORE607 is struggling with reading comprehension today.Wtf? I'll dumb it down for you. Coach A gets five star players. Coach B gets three-star players. Coach A gets more players in the NBA than Coach B. That's been the point all along. You want to argue whether it's true?
From that you somehow concluded that I said coach A can't develop players, or 3 stars can't get to the NBA......or some other dumb shit.
What I find funny is that most of the IU folks have and would again take the complete opposite position if the topic was UK and Coach Cal.Somewhat different sure, would he have gotten to the NBA? Probably. But thats all revisionist theory. Crean coached him. He gets credit for it.
Hashtags in social media are bad enough. Just leave them there.So I guess this means Edwards can't shoot either? Weird.
#onesachuckeronesnot #illtakeromeo
a little per 40 numbers
metric: nojel/Rob
pts 10.6/10.4
ast 3.5/4.3
TO 2.1/1.8
reb 8/4.3
stl 1.68/1.63
fg% .486/.374
3pt%.000/.330
Tells me Rob was the better PG.
What I find funny is that most of the IU folks have and would again take the complete opposite position if the topic was UK and Coach Cal.
Picking one guy and pointing him out isn't a good way of proving a point. Oladipo was a very self driven/motivated person. He would have been great wherever he went. Much like Biggie. More data points are needed to quantify if someone is good or bad at developing players.Do you think Oladipo's career would've turned out any different if he was coached by Matt Painter, Tom Izzo, or John Beilein? I don't.
Matt is still young comparatively.Whatever makes you feel better about 2nd tier matty.
I’m fine with 2nd tier Gard. He’s young and only has a few years under his belt. Matty has been at Purdue 14 years. 14 years.
Yes, when you quantify a coach based off of all aspects. Recruiting included. That's the only area IMO where the other two have done better. How much of that is because of Purdue and it's challenges I really don't know.Painter won "more reg season games in B1G play over the last 5 years", but schedules are unbalanced, injuries aren't considered, etc. Again, not taking anything away from Purdue or Painter, but you can't just say "Purdue won more regular season games with less talent, so he HAS to be a better game manager and talent developer"
He's definitely "pretty good at something". He definitely surprised me this year, because I didn't expect them to win a share of the title at all. I just believe he's a tier below Izzo/Beilein, no matter how many regular season wins he has over the last X-years.
Delusional.Yes, when you quantify a coach based off of all aspects. Recruiting included. That's the only area IMO where the other two have done better. How much of that is because of Purdue and it's challenges I really don't know.
Bridges played for 2 seasons and would have been a lottery pick after one yearDepends on the player but 9 months to me is a little different than 3 years.
Bmore, Bell to the Ravens???