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Two years* And since he was high major recruit, and scouts already had a look at him, yes he would've been drafted if he went to Drexel.He played 3 years at MSU, he was developed by Izzo for 3 years. You think after 3 years at Drexel he’s getting drafted.
Bridges played 2 years at Michigan State and honestly had very little to gain coming back for his second year because he was already a projected lottery pick if he went pro after his frosh year. He averaged 17 and 7 at Michigan State. He would have averaged 30 and 10 at Drexel and scouts would have noticed him very similar to how they are right now with Ja Morant. If you are that good, you will make it anywhere you go.He played 3 years at MSU, he was developed by Izzo for 3 years. You think after 3 years at Drexel he’s getting drafted.
Two years* And since he was high major recruit, and scouts already had a look at him, yes he would've been drafted if he went to Drexel.
So conference results are all that matters? When I am evaluating a coach, I look at all aspects of a coach. It’s not close. It’s not debatable. Izzo and Beilein are the best coaches in the conference and two of the best in the country. Painter isn’t on their level. That’s a fact. Get over it.Dude... I gave you a 10 year. Hell, let's take the entire duration of coaching in conference.
Painter: 158-92 63.2%
Beilein: 126-92 57.8%
Izzo: 288-126 69.6
Again, you're biggest factor is that Painter hasn't had NCAA success, which I agree. But IN CONFERENCE, Painter has proven to be just as good as the other two. The fact that you keep trying to argue against that and point out NCAA successes is proof of what I've been trying to say.
How many 5 star kids are going to Drexel? Are you seriously not understanding this?2 years my bad. And he wouldn’t have been drafted nearly as high, if it all. How many people from Drexel are getting drafted?
Still waiting to hear why Haarms (LOL) has a shot at the NBA. I'm sure you think Eastern does too, amirite?You're the one that made the claim. Back it up and then I'll tell you why I think he has a shot.
Positionless basketball grandpa.lol you are THAT guy. You want a PG with fewer assists and more turnovers and can't shoot. Makes sense.
It's actually kind of sad to see Purdue fans trying to tell the world that Painter is on the same level as Beilein and Izzo. No sane, rational college basketball fan would believe this.2 years my bad. And he wouldn’t have been drafted nearly as high, if it all. How many people from Drexel are getting drafted?
How many 5 star kids are going to Drexel? Are you seriously not understanding this?
Bro come on. If a 5 star top 10 player from his class went to Drexel, he would get drafted. That's the point.2 years my bad. And he wouldn’t have been drafted nearly as high, if it all. How many people from Drexel are getting drafted?
Neither of us are arguing that. We're simply saying, a player as good as Bridges could've went anywhere and still would've got drafted in relatively the same position. Case in point: Ja Morant.You seriously think Painter develops players at the same level as Izzo and Beilein?
Neither of us are arguing that. We're simply saying, a player as good as Bridges could've went anywhere and still would've got drafted in relatively the same position. Case in point: Ja Morant.
It's close, yes. Izzo and Beilein get a lot more highly ranked players in their program, so obviously the amount of players they have in the pros is going to be higher. I really can't believe you don't understand this, especially the bit about Bridges. SmhYou seriously think Painter develops players at the same level as Izzo and Beilein?
I don't think Painter is better than Izzo/Beilein in player development.Yes you are arguing that, dumb fvck. This whole argument goes back to my comment about developing players.
Counting draft picks is a really flawed effort if trying to evaluate talent development. Guys like Miles Bridges and Jaren Jackson were being drafted whether they went to MSU or Drexel.
So, we're good then assuming if Swanigan went to Drexel, he would have been drafted in a similar spot too?Bro come on. If a 5 star top 10 player from his class went to Drexel, he would get drafted. That's the point.
im not arguing really anything. i dont really give a shit if you think izzo or beilein develop players a lot better than painter. it's impossible to prove. what i was commenting on was your inability to understand that the majority of 5 star, top 15 players are going to succeed, get drafted, noticed, etc., wherever they go. it doesn't matter if it's duke or belmontYes you are arguing that, dumb fvck. This whole argument goes back to my comment about developing players.
No it's not. Compare draft picks. Then compare their rankings coming out of high school. It's only close to you Purdue homers literally nobody else that watches college basketball.It's close, yes. Izzo and Beilein get a lot more highly ranked players in their program, so obviously the amount of players they have in the pros is going to be higher. I really can't believe you don't understand this, especially the bit about Bridges. Smh
No it's not. Compare draft picks. Then compare their rankings coming out of high school. It's only close to you Purdue homers literally nobody else that watches college basketball.
Yes probably? I think player development is a misleading trope used way too much these days in regards to coaches.So, we're good then assuming if Swanigan went to Drexel, he would have been drafted in a similar spot too?
So Painter doesn't get near as many 4 and 5 star recruits......but he should have as many first round picks?How is developing talent debatable? How many first round picks and draft picks for the three?
Also what seed do you think your going to get the tMB worst poster bracket?
I think it's fair to say Beilein is the best in the league at player development.Yes probably? I think player development is a misleading trope used way too much these days in regards to coaches.
The fact is, there are a lot of good coaches out there that help develop their players, there are also a ton of good players who would probably succeed regardless who their coach is. I think it's hard to quantify which coach is definitively better than the other in that regard.
Misleading to you, maybe. The FACT is recruits see coaches getting their kids to the NBA. That is a FACT. That matters to them. They don't care if the kid is the 100th ranked recruit or the 10th ranked recruit. They care about getting to the NBA. They see coaches like Cal, K, Self, Beilein, Izzo all getting kids to the NBA. Hell, look at Crean. He got the #1 rated recruit to go to GEORGIA. You know why? The kid liked the way Crean developed Wade and Oladipo. Says Crean's got a track record of getting guys like him to the NBA.Yes probably? I think player development is a misleading trope used way too much these days in regards to coaches.
The fact is, there are a lot of good coaches out there that help develop their players, there are also a ton of good players who would probably succeed regardless who their coach is.
So Painter doesn't get near as many 4 and 5 star recruits......but he should have as many first round picks?
Use logic. Seems like a coach who gets more highly ranked players would have more first round picks.
That's fine I have no issue with that.I think it's fair to say Beilein is the best in the league at player development.
If he had more success in the tournament and got more kids to the NBA, he may be able to get some additional 4 and 5 star guys.So Painter doesn't get near as many 4 and 5 star recruits......but he should have as many first round picks?
Use logic. Seems like a coach who gets more highly ranked players would have more first round picks.
Crean got the #1 recruit to Georgia b/c the kid got 100 large from a bagman.Misleading to you, maybe. The FACT is recruits see coaches getting their kids to the NBA. That is a FACT. That matters to them. They don't care if the kid is the 100th ranked recruit or the 10th ranked recruit. They care about getting to the NBA. They see coaches like Cal, K, Self, Beilein, Izzo all getting kids to the NBA. Hell, look at Crean. He got the #1 rated recruit to go to GEORGIA. You know why? The kid liked the way Crean developed Wade and Oladipo. Says Crean's got a track record of getting guys like him to the NBA.
So, it's not misleading at all.
Weird, right? I remember Oladipo being the #2 pick in the NBA draft and he wasn't even a Top 100 guy. I remember OG Anunoby being drafted in the 1st round and he wasn't a Top 100 guy. I can keep going if you'd like. Trey Burke, Denzel Valentine, Draymond Green..Why can only 4 and 5 star recruits be first round picks? Great logic Bob.
And here is the standard Purdue fanboy response. LOL! So predictable. So dumb. So wrong.Crean got the #1 recruit to Georgia b/c the kid got 100 large from a bagman.
Wade would've got to the NBA with or without Crean, so would Oladipo.
Dude, did you even read what my OP said? Can you think critically for one second? Here is what you said:So conference results are all that matters? When I am evaluating a coach, I look at all aspects of a coach. It’s not close. It’s not debatable. Izzo and Beilein are the best coaches in the conference and two of the best in the country. Painter isn’t on their level. That’s a fact. Get over it.
Swanigan, Moore and Johnson would have as well. So would Carsen Edwards and Vince Edwards. They didn't need Painter. They would have gone to the NBA without him.Crean got the #1 recruit to Georgia b/c the kid got 100 large from a bagman.
Wade would've got to the NBA with or without Crean, so would Oladipo.
Dwayne Wade is one of the best NBA players of all time. He would've got there with or without Crean. That's just a fact. The kid was too good and naturally talented.And here is the standard Purdue fanboy response. LOL! So predictable. So dumb. So wrong.
Wade would've got to the NBA with or without Crean, so would Oladipo.
Yes exactly. Those players are good players regardless of who the coach is. I think those guys could've developed and played well at a ton of other programs besides Matt Painter or Purdue.Swanigan, Moore and Johnson would have as well. So would Carsen Edwards and Vince Edwards.
Going to bat for your golden boy? I love the flip flopping the IU fanbase has over Crean. Weird paradox here.
Yes exactly. Those players are good players regardless of who the coach is. I think those guys could've developed and played well at a ton of other programs regardless of Matt Painter.