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*Official* B1G In-Season Thread

Since non conference play is done here are NCSOS rating per Kenpom as of 1/4

1. Purdue-41
2. Wisconsin-63
3. Illinois-66
4. Penn State-82
5. MSU-95
6. Nebraska-150
7. Ohio State-240
8. Indiana-251
9. Minnesota-266
10. Maryland-279
11. Rutgers-287
12. Michigan-300
13. Northwestern-327
14. Iowa-336
talk about a rigged SOS as Iowa has wins over these in the OOC

Oregon 9-4
UConn 9-5
Pitt 10-3
ISU 11-2
UMKC 5-10 Scheduled by the Y2 Classic committee
GB 8-7 2-0 in the Horizon League
UNI 6-8 1-0 MVC
Alabama State 2-9
Savanah State 2-14 hmm Wisconsin played them as well
Bryant 4-8
Western Carolina 3-13

talk about the real joke Michigan's SOS is 300
 
I could give a rat's ass about Tillman having a better block rate than Teske.

There is so much that Teske alters that doesn't find the box score. If you see someone 7'1" in the lane your immediate thought will be that you have to shoot it to the moon to avoid the block. This is what happens when Teske is in the game. Ball does a weird ricochet off the rim or backboard and Matthews or Iggy cleans it up.

You see someone 6'8" like Tillman and you think it won't be blocked, but his quickness gets that stat. Tillman is a great defender, but this is not an apples to apples comparison. Teske is somewhat instructed to be a big tree out there and not get out of place.
That was just one of the many many stats brought up about why Tillman was better, like PER, True Shooting Percentage, Box score plus/minus, win shares per 40, rebound %, assist %, steal %, and block %. He destroys him in the per 100 possessions categories too. Teske plays 6 more minutes too, but X beats him in all the basic categories except blocks, although UM plays at a slower pace. Block percentage by itself means very little, but it was just a stat X beats him in.

But I agree, Teske is more of a threat to get blocks and alter the way the game is played, kinda like Jaren did but to a lesser extent.

I do think Teske is the better defender, slightly.
 
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talk about a rigged SOS as Iowa has wins over these in the OOC

Oregon 9-4
UConn 9-5
Pitt 10-3
ISU 11-2
UMKC 5-10 Scheduled by the Y2 Classic committee
GB 8-7 2-0 in the Horizon League
UNI 6-8 1-0 MVC
Alabama State 2-9
Savanah State 2-14 hmm Wisconsin played them as well
Bryant 4-8
Western Carolina 3-13

talk about the real joke Michigan's SOS is 300
It’s all about not playing those really crappy teams. Iowa’s last 4 games killed them. There last 4 opponents were hot garbage. Probably all 250+. That’s an easy way to bring a SOS wayyyyy down.
 
talk about a rigged SOS as Iowa has wins over these in the OOC

Oregon 9-4
UConn 9-5
Pitt 10-3
ISU 11-2
UMKC 5-10 Scheduled by the Y2 Classic committee
GB 8-7 2-0 in the Horizon League
UNI 6-8 1-0 MVC
Alabama State 2-9
Savanah State 2-14 hmm Wisconsin played them as well
Bryant 4-8
Western Carolina 3-13

talk about the real joke Michigan's SOS is 300

Oregon-38th
UCONN-102
Pitt-87
ISU-16
UMKC-241
GB-191
UNI-210
Alabama State-334
Savanah St-344
Bryant-331
Western Carolina-324
 
Oregon-38th
UCONN-102
Pitt-87
ISU-16
UMKC-241
GB-191
UNI-210
Alabama State-334
Savanah St-344
Bryant-331
Western Carolina-324

Is Iowa State the only team on that list that is a likely tournament team? Oregon might be... but they just lost Bol Bol for the season.
 
It’s all about not playing those really crappy teams. Iowa’s last 4 games killed them. There last 4 opponents were hot garbage. Probably all 250+. That’s an easy way to bring a SOS wayyyyy down.
The UNI game was part of the instate B4 challenge that was cancelled after this year, the really sad part is the state Senators are trying to make it a state law that will force ISU and Iowa play UNI and Drake every year in BB and in FB.

with the end of the B4 every year Iowa has already scheduled Cinncinati in Chicago in the 2019-20 season,

these will be the games that are built in for years to come
4 games OOC Tourney
ACC/BT Challenge
Gavitt games BE/BT Challenge
ISU

that leaves just 4 OOC games to be filled and teams need home games not road games. now if the state Senators get their way Drake and UNI will take 2 of those 4 OOC slots now that the BT has gone to 20 games,

AND NOBODY plays the type of schedule that you expect Iowa to play.
 
I do have awareness after spending 40+ years to working with children with handicaps. being physically and mentally abused, something that you will NEVER no matter how long you live will ever see.
the worst were 2 young boys that were put into scaulding hot water just because they were not potty training fast enough. their Buttock's, their private blistered. don't tell me about AWARENESS.

None of that is really relevant, but sincerely, good for you. Appalling that you can work in that environment and not realize the importance of having people like Tyler Trent who make such positive impacts towards the disease.
 
The UNI game was part of the instate B4 challenge that was cancelled after this year, the really sad part is the state Senators are trying to make it a state law that will force ISU and Iowa play UNI and Drake every year in BB and in FB.

with the end of the B4 every year Iowa has already scheduled Cinncinati in Chicago in the 2019-20 season,

these will be the games that are built in for years to come
4 games OOC Tourney
ACC/BT Challenge
Gavitt games BE/BT Challenge
ISU

that leaves just 4 OOC games to be filled and teams need home games not road games. now if the state Senators get their way Drake and UNI will take 2 of those 4 OOC slots now that the BT has gone to 20 games,

AND NOBODY plays the type of schedule that you expect Iowa to play.


KYS, loser
 
Probably outside somebody getting hot in the conference tourney and stealing an auto bid.
Pitt has a very good shot as that team has been completely overhauled and has nobody from last year team starting on it.

Oregon had 2 5* players on their team Bol Bol will not be that big a loss. yes he will be missed but Garza more than held his own against him
12 Points 7 rebounds for Garza
14 points 7 rebounds for Bol Bol

and he did not play last vs Purdue, and here is what he was in terms of value to the team
Starter
2nd leading scorer at 12.7 ppg
2nd leading rebounder
2nd leading shot blocker
51.6% from the field
37% from 3
84.2% from the FTL 2nd on the team

take that off any team and see how big a loss would be. especially on the road in the BT.
 
Pitt has a very good shot as that team has been completely overhauled and has nobody from last year team starting on it.

Oregon had 2 5* players on their team Bol Bol will not be that big a loss. yes he will be missed but Garza more than held his own against him
12 Points 7 rebounds for Garza
14 points 7 rebounds for Bol Bol

and he did not play last vs Purdue, and here is what he was in terms of value to the team
Starter
2nd leading scorer at 12.7 ppg
2nd leading rebounder
2nd leading shot blocker
51.6% from the field
37% from 3
84.2% from the FTL 2nd on the team

take that off any team and see how big a loss would be. especially on the road in the BT.

Pitt isn't making the tournament right now unless they win the ACC. Oregon right now is where Maryland was last year and Maryland didn't make the tournament, plus they just lost a lottery pick. They need to win the PAC, which is doable, but it just became harder.
 
Pitt isn't making the tournament right now unless they win the ACC. Oregon right now is where Maryland was last year and Maryland didn't make the tournament, plus they just lost a lottery pick. They need to win the PAC, which is doable, but it just became harder.


Please don't argue with that tard.
 
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None of that is really relevant, but sincerely, good for you. Appalling that you can work in that environment and not realize the importance of having people like Tyler Trent who make such positive impacts towards the disease.
NO its appalling that people ignore the 1000's that go worse conditions. and concentrate on one person that was able to do vs the ones that will NEVER get a chance to do what he did and the Media ignoring those 1000's that can't do what he did.

if you can't understand that. then I really pity you.
 
Pitt isn't making the tournament right now unless they win the ACC. Oregon right now is where Maryland was last year and Maryland didn't make the tournament, plus they just lost a lottery pick. They need to win the PAC, which is doable, but it just became harder.
the ACC is a conference that could have at least 8 teams in the tournament and Pitt is good enough this year to make the NCAAT. forget last season.
 

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NO its appalling that people ignore the 1000's that go worse conditions. and concentrate on one person that was able to do vs the ones that will NEVER get a chance to do what he did and the Media ignoring those 1000's that can't do what he did.

if you can't understand that. then I really pity you.
I understand exactly what you mean about the others that deserve to be recognized also, but that's not possible. Appreciate the ones that get the attention, and don't chastise them because they did. It's not Tyler Trent's responsibility to make sure others were recognized (although that's what he wanted). I think you're looking at this as self-promotion when, in reality, he was promoting awareness for others.
 
A bad take is your advice during the summer when you were telling people on this board that a good investment was to buy FANG. How’s that working out for you?
By the way, I'm up just under 10% on my FAANG investments INCLUDING the recent declines we've seen over the last couple months. Apparently you're the type of person who freaks when the market turns. I've dollar cost averaged over the last couple months on top of my initial investments and I'm STILL posting a good return. So, thanks for your concern not sure you're a good person to be doling out investment advice/critiques.
 
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Yea, it's tough to really find any comparable UM players to Teske. In years past, before Beilein started putting much more emphasis on Defense... He just didn't really have shot blocking 7-footers. DJ Wilson mostly played the 4 alongside Mo, but he's really the only lengthy shot blocker I can remember from UM over the last few years.

Previous Centers were Horford, Donnal?, Ricky Doyle maybe? Teske is a better defender and bigger than all of those guys.


Yea Beilein made it a point to start recruiting more length at the 5 after rule changes changed how charged were called. He had a 5 in Jordan Morgan who was maybe 6’7” but was a great positional defender who took a lot of charges. That doesn’t really work anymore. I’m looking forward to seeing Colin Castleton develop. He has a chance to be the total package, combining the offensive skill of a Wagner with the defensive length of Teske.
 
That was just one of the many many stats brought up about why Tillman was better, like PER, True Shooting Percentage, Box score plus/minus, win shares per 40, rebound %, assist %, steal %, and block %. He destroys him in the per 100 possessions categories too. Teske plays 6 more minutes too, but X beats him in all the basic categories except blocks, although UM plays at a slower pace. Block percentage by itself means very little, but it was just a stat X beats him in.

But I agree, Teske is more of a threat to get blocks and alter the way the game is played, kinda like Jaren did but to a lesser extent.

I do think Teske is the better defender, slightly.

Was Jackson good defensively?
 
By the way, I'm up just under 10% on my FAANG investments INCLUDING the recent declines we've seen over the last couple months. Apparently you're the type of person who freaks when the market turns. I've dollar cost averaged over the last couple months on top of my initial investments and I'm STILL posting a good return. So, thanks for your concern not sure you're a good person to be doling out investment advice/critiques.

i wouldn't take advice from either of you. i've got all my retirement savings in these bad boys...should be set for life:

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That was just one of the many many stats brought up about why Tillman was better, like PER, True Shooting Percentage, Box score plus/minus, win shares per 40

I thought we went over this.

GRIII and Nik Stauskas were #1 and #3 in the Big Ten their freshmen year in PER. Were they 2 of the 3 best players in the conference? Not a chance. They weren't even two of our top players and we finished 4th in the conference. Michigan just happened to have an elite offense with an elite point guard that Stauskas and GRIII were able to put up great efficiency numbers with.


Win shares? Mortiz Wagner (who was average at best defensively) had more defensive win shares than Big Ten defensive player of the year Jaren Jackson. Do you really put that much weight into a stat that would say Wagner was better defensively than Jackson?


Box score plus/minus is probably worse than both of those.


I get that it's fun to list things your player is better at, but relax.
 
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Xavier Tillman has a higher block percentage than Teske does. He also has good perimeter skills for a guy his size. Teske is lengthier and taller, while X is a bit shorter and more athletic.

Tillman was the higher rated recruit out of the two and is also a year younger.

That’s also BS that Izzo recruited Teske and Teske just wasn’t interested. Nick Ward was a top 50 recruit already at center for us and was much more highly rated. Teske was plan C. Didn’t even recieve an offer. I’m not sure where you got that from.
At the time, Tillman wasnt recruited by Beilen. Those were the reasons why at the time.

Our mods said Izzo recruited Teske and wanted him to visit and come play at his camp. He politely declined. It isnt BS. I am not attacking anybody. I wondered why Tillman wasnt recruited. I thought he was a good prospect.

Having said all that, is it really necessary to say anyhing other then it has worked out well for both players and schools and everyone involved is happy the way it is working out. Both teams are playing great and both players doing well individually.
 
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I don’t remember Izzo being much interested in Jon Teske. I think Teske would fit UM/MSU’s system but Tillman isn’t a Beilein player. Izzo loves those 6’6-6’9 players that can play the 3 or 4. Anderson, Morgan, Gray, Green, Bridges, Tillman, and Dawson all come to mind. Different strengths offensively but each player was athletic and could do fairly well defensively/rebounding.
Teske could absolutely have played for MSU no question. Prob would have redshirted tho. He looked hopeless that first year. Matta really wanted him. It turned out to be a big recruiting win but at the time he was not a sure fire B10 player even tho he was a four star. I think the HS competition was questionable. Izzo was definitely interested early on. He was 7’0 with decent mobilty and it has worked out that way with the development. I am actually amazed he is playing 30 min a game, every game. He could barely run down the court a few years ago.
 
At the time, Tillman wasnt recruited by Beilen. Those were the reasons why at the time.

Our mods said Izzo recruited Teske and wanted him to visit and come play at his camp. He politely declined. It isnt BS. I am not attacking anybody. I wondered why Tillman wasnt recruited. I thought he was a good prospect.

Having said all that, is it really necessary to say anyhing other then it has worked out well for both players and schools and everyone involved is happy the way it is working out. Both teams are playing great and both players doing well individually.

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Was Jackson good defensively?
He can block shots to the moon, ill say that.

Frankly, how Izzo coached him was criminal. Miles should have been the 4 and Ward/Jackson the 5. Actually, Ward should have the back up.

That Syracuse game and benching Jackson. I am a UM guy screaming at Izzo for not playing him. That says a lot.....

Izzo is coaching much better this season. That team is really, really good. Prob not the ceiling as last year but a better team overall.
 
At the time, Tillman wasnt recruited by Beilen. Those were the reasons why at the time.

Didn't recruit him at all? He visited UM in February 2014.

Our mods said Izzo recruited Teske and wanted him to visit and come play at his camp. He politely declined. It isnt BS

Other than your post claiming that your mods said Izzo recruited Teske, I can't find anything that says MSU even showed interest. Its not uncommon for Izzo to request a wide variety of players to come to camp though, usually when they're pretty young.

That is likely the case if he was invited. Teske committed to UM super early. He verballed to UM before Matt McQuaid (from the 2015 class) even committed to MSU.
 
Msu folks,

Would you take a share of the Big Ten title right now with Michigan? As a Michigan fan, I'm not sure I would take a shared title with you guys and at this moment MSU looks better but that can change quickly. I would probably be cool with a share at 16-4 or better as that would likely mean a one seed for Michigan.

I have a feeling it will end up a share with the winner of that final game feeling more of a champ than the other (who already would have clinched a share).

Also, they need the Big Ten to treat M/MSU and IU/PU similar to Duke/Carolina where the first game always happens in early February and the second game on the last weekend of the season. Waiting until late February for the first meeting is BS.
 
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I'd take it, but I really care more about having a decent NCAAT run this season. 3 straight seasons of only the first weekend sucks.

That's a good point. Msu does have the title from last year, but the early out. Michigan hasn't won the title since 2014, but has a F4 from last year. So I can kinda see how there is a different want from both sides.
 
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Solid jump by Minnesota in NET in going from 52 up to 34 after last night.
That's a big jump. Purdue jumped from 30 to 28 after that win over Iowa. I guess the computer's don't consider that a big deal after all. Hmmm.....
 
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