No one respects Tom Crean for a reason. Underwood might not work out, but it will have nothing to do with why Crean couldn't make it work.
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No one respects Tom Crean for a reason. Underwood might not work out, but it will have nothing to do with why Crean couldn't make it work.
Bunch of guys that need self-esteem boosts for their mediocre teams. I'd probably do the same thing if I had to go back to the 80s for a time that my team did anything noteworthy.
Yet, he's skilled enough to be your best player. He's averaging 18, 11, and 5, and you're trying to diminish the impact that losing him is going to have. I'd be nervous about losing him too.
In some respects, he's been a bit of a hindrance to the offense. His inability to shoot from anywhere near the perimeter has caused pretty much eliminated the swing offense and forced Wisconsin to become more of a pick and roll offense. Nobody has to come out of the post to defend Happ because they know he won't shoot from outside. Keeps the guards from posting up.
I like Gard but I think it is still very much wait and see mode.
Underwood deserves 4 years at least, but it’s obvious there is still a long way to go.
Underwood deserves 4 years at least, but it’s obvious there is still a long way to go.
Already got more tourney wins in 3 years than Fran has in 9 or however long he’s been there.
Will he be Bo? No but I doubt we’d hire anyone that could be. I’ve seen enough to know that he can coach but still has room for growth.
Gard does have two sweet 16s in three seasons. That was with Bo recruits, but still an impressive start that surely should buy him some time. Looks to be good at getting his teams to maximize ability, but recruiting and identifying talent is what I need to see. Bo had a unique ability to continuously find those Wisconsin guys.
Illinois is just giving up so many easy points via ORBs, FTs, etc., and I think a couple just average bigs would go a long way. If not, he's going to have such a tiny margin for error. Another thing that'll be big for him is how many years he gets out of Ayo.
Makes sense. I'd need some pretty jazz nose candy to actually believe The Mayor would choose Iowa City fresh outta Chi town.
What's the order of coaches on the hot seat in the B1G?
Chambers
Turgeon
Frannie
Miles
Pitino
Underwood
Collins
Pikiell
Painter
Gard
Miller
Izzo
Holtman
Beilein
Just off the top of my head. Any of those first 6 places a landing spot for Hoiberg? I would think Maryland would be a hot job even with the ugliness surround the program right now. If Louisville looks like they're going to get a slap on the wrist, Maryland should be fine right? Does anyone think PSU could be a decent job?
Chambers
Turgeon
Frannie
Miles
Pitino
Underwood
Collins
Pikiell
Painter
Gard
Miller
Izzo
Holtman
Beilein
Just off the top of my head. Any of those first 6 places a landing spot for Hoiberg? I would think Maryland would be a hot job even with the ugliness surround the program right now. If Louisville looks like they're going to get a slap on the wrist, Maryland should be fine right? Does anyone think PSU could be a decent job?
Fran has like a 9 mil buyout. Our AD is a butt Fvck. Worst AD ever
Comparing your coach to Iowa's? Bad look.
I see Fred in Westwood when Alford gets fired.
Gard was main recruiter under Bo. He is and was an excellent talent evaluator. Not worried about identifying talent. Closing is the issue. We've been on countless guys early only for them to blow up.
A lot of people have done well with their predecessor's recruits. Look at Bruce Weber. Guy made a living off of Self's recruits. Took him 10 years to figure out how to recruit guys to his system at the P5 level. That's what I see when I look at Gard. Probably a quality system coach that's just good enough, but unless something surprising happens, the talent drop off after this season is going to hurt bad.
Speaking of Duke, there is probably going to be a MSU meltdown today when Vernon Carey inevitably chooses Duke in about 40 minutes.
I don’t post much, but really enjoy reading about all the B1G teams here on his board. OSU looks pretty good so far this year. I think they are ahead of schedule with the players they have. K Wesson, Washington, Muhammad, are legit players. K Young much improved. They will lose games this year and probably win a few they are not supposed to. Next year with the 3 big recruits coming in OSU should challenge in the B1G. This year they should be fun to watch but not ready for the top teams, IMO.
Sure, but he does other things so well that it doesn't matter. Reuvers doesn't rebound on either end. Ford barely does either. Reuvers is a big drop off on the defensive end as well.
Happ is responsible for over 1/4 of your points.
You guys got a really good coach. Play of the game was the technical he got. Completely changed the game. Stopped our momentum and reset the refereeing from that point on. He's going to keep you guys at the top of the conference.
Holtmann is looking like an elite X's and O's guy. He's already doing very good things with flawed rosters.
Once he gets talent, he's going to be terrifying IMO.
You guys want company in the basement so bad. Not going to happen. Well, maybe with Iowa, but we'll be just fine.
Big Holtmann fan. I hope him and Archie continue to recruit and take over the conference. They are going to be battling a lot.
I actually do think the refs (which were really horrible) did change the way they called the game the 2nd half. But they were just a bad ref team.
IUs improvement will depend upon the continued improvement of the guards and potentially a guard grad transfer.
TJD will fill Juwan's spot, but filling Romeo's spot will need to be by a committee. Just missing out on Carton to you guys hurt, even though Phinisee is looking to be a damn solid PG at this level. Adding Brooks (seems to be the consensus with recruiting guys) and a healthy Hunter will help in those regards.
Everyone still seems 50/50, but Izzo never wins these battles against Duke / UK.
'87 said...
"Said no one ever. Lol. It’s a win but don’t think I’d call it a “hell of a win.”
Hasn't your team lost 3 straight? And despite the "rankings" for FSU and Va Tech,the only really good team you've faced is UM..."
Context...'87 was denigrating IU's win over the team that just a week ago beat the same Va Tech team that already beat Purdue. It's like some scrub poster on the PU free board calling the NW team that IU beat "horrible", when that same NW team was a lousy Ryan Taylor shot away from beating the same Mich team that literally destroyed PU.
Just didn't see the point of a fan of a team whose "best" win is Ball State downplaying what IU has done going 2-0 to start the Conference. I thought this PU team (sans Edwards) was going to be low on B1G level talent-haven't seen anything to change my mind...
And yes technically PU hasn't lost 3 straight- I was ignoring the win over a pretty bad (4-5) Robert Morris squad. But they have lost 3 straight Power 5 Conference games, including to 2 middle conference ACC teams...
Saaaay whaaat?
Is this what all the doctor-talk was referring to last couple of days, also?
Lawd I don't want to read those threads.
Typical Texas under Shaka.
Nab a good win oc, float until the Big 12 can help boost your ass again.
Not gonna be quite as easy this season since the B12 isn't a top 2 conference..
I don't hate the roster make-up (painfully lacking an outside shooter), tons of talent, nowhere left to blame but the head coach.
PSU - no
Maryland - mmmmaybe
Iowa - no
Nebraskhahahahaha
Minnesotno
Illinois - I think they keep Underwood a few more seasons
This is the correct answer.
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We have company. Maybe you've heard of Rutgers. I don't care what you guys do. I just don't think you're going to be anything more than decent moving forward. Gard isn't good enough in today's B10.
Yeah, they definitely did. Made some phantom calls that really hurt us. Frazier didn't touch anyone on his 3rd personal, and it took him out of the game while you went on your run where we couldn't score.
Like I said last night, I don't care if they call it close or let it go, but don't change in the middle of a game. Bad crew, but I think we lose either way.
This is a lot of butt-hurt because an opposing fan didn't think it was "a hell of a win." But to each his own.
Can I get the approved list of fanbases who are allowed to comment on the rest of the league based on their own team's winning percentage. TIA.
Little early to be patting yourself on the back for conference predictions. But you do you.
"I was wrong" has never been so wordy...
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