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***Official 2019 B1G Off Season thread***

Who is the worst Purdue poster?

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Yeah, it's tough to draw conclusions on Archie from a recruiting perspective as yet. He simply hasn't got enough of his guys in there and on the court yet.

That said, I do believe, even considering the injuries, he has underperformed his talent each of the first two seasons. Giving the rumblings from IU fans, I'd wager many agree. It's still too early to condemn the man but early returns are so-so.

He is recruiting the right core of guys in my opinion just needs some time. This year was no doubt a disappointment. The guy will get four years and from there there will be an evaluation.

Hunter being healthy and being able to play will go a long way this year and next I believe. The guy is working out but still not able to have contact. No one really knows if he will be able to play.
 
Hey Blaire, a bunch of guards who can't shoot? Consider the information below.

Green: 48 made on 117 attempts for 41%
Durham: 40 made on 115 attempts for 35%
Phinisee: 27 made on 87 attempts for 31%
Total: 115 made on 319 attempts for 36%

Wheeler: 31 made on 85 attempts for 36%
Stefanovic: 25 made on 61 attempts for 41%
Hunter: 10 made on 46 attempts for 22%
Total: 66 made on 192 attempts for 34%

What's that say about Purdue's guards? They can't shoot either? Well, obviously not considering Eastern since we know he can't shoot.
That Purdue list is all freshmen. Since the 3P line has moved back, most Purdue players have struggled to shoot from three as freshmen. I think it has to do primarily with Matt Painter's defensive principles and guys just not being accustomed to playing that hard on D and struggling to get lift on their shots on the other end.
 
Hey Blaire, a bunch of guards who can't shoot? Consider the information below.

Green: 48 made on 117 attempts for 41%
Durham: 40 made on 115 attempts for 35%
Phinisee: 27 made on 87 attempts for 31%
Total: 115 made on 319 attempts for 36%

Wheeler: 31 made on 85 attempts for 36%
Stefanovic: 25 made on 61 attempts for 41%
Hunter: 10 made on 46 attempts for 22%
Total: 66 made on 192 attempts for 34%

What's that say about Purdue's guards? They can't shoot either? Well, obviously not considering Eastern since we know he can't shoot.
Rich, considering my posts on IU's shooting this time a year ago, and every IU fan on this board's (except Klize) reaction to those.
 
That Purdue list is all freshmen. Since the 3P line has moved back, most Purdue players have struggled to shoot from three as freshmen. I think it has to do primarily with Matt Painter's defensive principles and guys just not being accustomed to playing that hard on D and struggling to get lift on their shots on the other end.
Could be. I expect most of the players listed, for both schools, to increase their stats and percentages this year. Not sure Stefanovic and Green can increase their percentages on more volume, but I expect them both to shoot well. The rest of the four listed, I fully expect to take and make more 3pt shots. I'm not calling any of them bad shooters, Blaire did. I simply pointed out that if we have bad shooters, then I would assume he would think you guys do too.
 
Rich, considering my posts on IU's shooting this time a year ago, and every IU fan on this board's (except Klize) reaction to those.
You dispute the numbers? Do you think IU players won't continue to get better? Do you expect Purdue players to get better?
 
Could be. I expect most of the players listed, for both schools, to increase their stats and percentages this year. Not sure Stefanovic and Green can increase their percentages on more volume, but I expect them both to shoot well. The rest of the four listed, I fully expect to take and make more 3pt shots. I'm not calling any of them bad shooters, Blaire did. I simply pointed out that if we have bad shooters, then I would assume he would think you guys do too.
Most get better year over year for sure. But it's interesting that Green's best year was actually his freshman year (though on about 50% of the volume).
 
You dispute the numbers? Do you think IU players won't continue to get better? Do you expect Purdue players to get better?
You, Borden, and that one guy that disappeared when it was clear how dumb he was disputed the numbers last year like crazy.

I've already said that I think our offense takes a big step back next year. I think Sasha and Wheeler are proficient 3 pt shooters in the making, but they may be required to take a lot of tough looks, and everywhere else we have question marks from a shooting perspective. I think Hunter will shoot better as his career goes on due to his shooting prowess before Purdue, but that's far from a given. Thompson and Newman's biggest strength is the 3 ball, but they'll be true freshmen so it's hard to tell what they'll do.

For IU, I've said for a while that they need to focus on guard play. This year, their issue was it seemed like they didn't play 2 of Green, Durham, or Phinisee together that often. I'd personally start Phinisee and Durham together to get more shooting on the floor, then bring Green in as your scoring punch off the bench. Still have trouble seeing Damezi get the shot going consistently, and if Hunter got healthy I'd have a very different opinion about IU's ceiling.
 
Most get better year over year for sure. But it's interesting that Green's best year was actually his freshman year (though on about 50% of the volume).
I am hopeful Green can keep a similar percentage next year. We're gonna need it. I think he played much better in the 2 spot than the PG. With Franklin coming in, hopefully we can have Rob and Armaan at the PG and Durham and Green at the 2 spot.
 
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No. I should have just said best shooters who for IU happens to be all guards. Wheeler is one of Purdue's best returning 3pt shooters and is a forward. Regardless, point still stands though. If he thinks our guards can't shoot, would he think the same about Purdue's best returning shooters?

I won't speak for him but I do think it'll be interesting to see what happens with Purdue and shooting. I do expect Hunter to be a better shooter next year as he was a good shooter in high school. I think we might see someone unexpected step up and hit shots too. Who thought Eifert would shoot the best 3-point percentage on the team last year? He shot 43% on 81 attempts! I think Newman will be a good shooter but how quickly will that translate? Might not be right away but I'm hoping it is. I think our best percentage 3-point guys next year will be Stefanovich and Wheeler.
 
You, Borden, and that one guy that disappeared when it was clear how dumb he was disputed the numbers last year like crazy.

I've already said that I think our offense takes a big step back next year. I think Sasha and Wheeler are proficient 3 pt shooters in the making, but they may be required to take a lot of tough looks, and everywhere else we have question marks from a shooting perspective. I think Hunter will shoot better as his career goes on due to his shooting prowess before Purdue, but that's far from a given. Thompson and Newman's biggest strength is the 3 ball, but they'll be true freshmen so it's hard to tell what they'll do.

For IU, I've said for a while that they need to focus on guard play. This year, their issue was it seemed like they didn't play 2 of Green, Durham, or Phinisee together that often. I'd personally start Phinisee and Durham together to get more shooting on the floor, then bring Green in as your scoring punch off the bench. Still have trouble seeing Damezi get the shot going consistently, and if Hunter got healthy I'd have a very different opinion about IU's ceiling.
This is all well and good, but how does it dispute any of the numbers I posted earlier? Blaire said we had bad shooters. I pointed out the guys we have returning have a higher collective 3pt shooting percentage.

Get your panties unbunched. I didn't say IU was going to be the best shooters in the league and Purdue was gonna suck. I pointed out the stats and questioned his take.
 
I won't speak for him but I do think it'll be interesting to see what happens with Purdue and shooting. I do expect Hunter to be a better shooter next year as he was a good shooter in high school. I think we might see someone unexpected step up and hit shots too. Who thought Eifert would shoot the best 3-point percentage on the team last year? He shot 43% on 81 attempts! I think Newman will be a good shooter but how quickly will that translate? Might not be right away but I'm hoping it is. I think our best percentage 3-point guys next year will be Stefanovich and Wheeler.
I actually have a feeling Wheeler's % might dip a little as he's unlikely to get as many open looks as he did with the focus on Carsen and Cline. I could see his volume go up but his % drop a percent or two.
 
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I won't speak for him but I do think it'll be interesting to see what happens with Purdue and shooting. I do expect Hunter to be a better shooter next year as he was a good shooter in high school. I think we might see someone unexpected step up and hit shots too. Who thought Eifert would shoot the best 3-point percentage on the team last year? He shot 43% on 81 attempts! I think Newman will be a good shooter but how quickly will that translate? Might not be right away but I'm hoping it is. I think our best percentage 3-point guys next year will be Stefanovich and Wheeler.
That's fair. I think the same about Phinese. I think he'll have a jump in his percentage this year. He's got a good stroke. Durham I am thinking may stay around the same give or take. I don't think he's gonna be a 40% type guy. But I don't see him getting much worse, either. Same with Franklin. I think he can be a solid shooter in time. Not gonna expect him to come in and be a high level shooter right away even though he was pretty good in high school. As for Green, I just hope he stays at the 2 guard and shoots it similarly next year. Hunter, Anderson, and Thompson are all wild cards. I'm not considering much from them until I see them prove it.

Regardless, I don't think we've got bad shooting guards. We're not great, but we're not that bad.
 
You, Borden, and that one guy that disappeared when it was clear how dumb he was disputed the numbers last year like crazy.

I've already said that I think our offense takes a big step back next year. I think Sasha and Wheeler are proficient 3 pt shooters in the making, but they may be required to take a lot of tough looks, and everywhere else we have question marks from a shooting perspective. I think Hunter will shoot better as his career goes on due to his shooting prowess before Purdue, but that's far from a given. Thompson and Newman's biggest strength is the 3 ball, but they'll be true freshmen so it's hard to tell what they'll do.

For IU, I've said for a while that they need to focus on guard play. This year, their issue was it seemed like they didn't play 2 of Green, Durham, or Phinisee together that often. I'd personally start Phinisee and Durham together to get more shooting on the floor, then bring Green in as your scoring punch off the bench. Still have trouble seeing Damezi get the shot going consistently, and if Hunter got healthy I'd have a very different opinion about IU's ceiling.

It was @NC_Trojan10. That started the whole McRoberts=Cline debate. He wisely disappeared after he argued so much about Purdue shooting versus IU and hasn't been seen since.
 
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I actually have a feeling Wheeler's % might dip a little as he's unlikely to get as many open looks as he did with the focus on Carsen and Cline. I could see his volume go up but his % drop a percent or two.
He's got a good looking stroke, too. I think he'll be a pretty good shooter for you guys. It may be a thing where he takes a bit to find his groove early since he'll be creating more, and then gets better throughout the year as he gets more comfortable in his increased role.
 
It was @NC_Trojan10. That started the whole McRoberts=Cline debate. He wisely disappeared after he argued so much about Purdue shooting versus IU and hasn't been seen since.
Yeah, I went back and read his posts in February or March and he was far and away the most wrong of the IU fans.
 
This is all well and good, but how does it dispute any of the numbers I posted earlier? Blaire said we had bad shooters. I pointed out the guys we have returning have a higher collective 3pt shooting percentage.

Get your panties unbunched. I didn't say IU was going to be the best shooters in the league and Purdue was gonna suck. I pointed out the stats and questioned his take.
Your stats speak for themselves -- Purdue needs to answer shooting questions of its own.

But you dismissed the same stats on returning 3 pt shooting last year, even though anyone with a semblance of objectivity could see that they painted a very bad picture for IU's shooting.
 
I actually have a feeling Wheeler's % might dip a little as he's unlikely to get as many open looks as he did with the focus on Carsen and Cline. I could see his volume go up but his % drop a percent or two.
Yeah I agree here. He's going to be taking more difficult shots as we look for a scorer. Also, I don't see that guy that will be able to set him up as easily on the pick n pop / weak side reversal where he got a ton of good looks this year.

Sasha will also have a better defender and more focus on him than he did this year.
 
That Purdue list is all freshmen. Since the 3P line has moved back, most Purdue players have struggled to shoot from three as freshmen. I think it has to do primarily with Matt Painter's defensive principles and guys just not being accustomed to playing that hard on D and struggling to get lift on their shots on the other end.

Don't look too deep into these being posted its usually in response to people taking shots at IU's shooting for next year when most are just repeating info they've heard or think is correct. Indiana losses 43% of its 3pt attempts last year, those leaving avg 28%. Just for reference Purdue is losing 75% of its 3pt attempts, they avg 39%.
 
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I actually have a feeling Wheeler's % might dip a little as he's unlikely to get as many open looks as he did with the focus on Carsen and Cline. I could see his volume go up but his % drop a percent or two.

I can see Wheeler and Sasha being pretty similar to what they were just with more volume, % may dip a bit, Hunter likely will increase, Eastern makes 1 3 and he's improved so that should happen.
 
Same as Blaires earlier. Sad take...
I remember last year when you posted how you read that McRoberts balls no longer shrivel up in fright when he gets an open 3 pt shot and it meant that he was gonna be a really good 3 point shooter, similar to Cline but Cline just takes more. You should pat yourself on the back for that one.
 
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I can see Wheeler and Sasha being pretty similar to what they were just with more volume, % may dip a bit, Hunter likely will increase, Eastern makes 1 3 and he's improved so that should happen.
We have some fans that talk about Eastern adding a shot and I die laughing.

I'm hoping Hunter moving off-ball some helps him a lot. He never looked comfortable backing up point.

Not sure how successful this will be, but I do suspect that Haarms will take a couple 3s per game this year.
 
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We have some fans that talk about Eastern adding a shot and I die laughing.

I'm hoping Hunter moving off-ball some helps him a lot. He never looked comfortable backing up point.

Not sure how successful this will be, but I do suspect that Haarms will take a couple 3s per game this year.

Actually yeah Haarms is a guy i could see improve his %.
 
I can see Wheeler and Sasha being pretty similar to what they were just with more volume, % may dip a bit, Hunter likely will increase, Eastern makes 1 3 and he's improved so that should happen.

4 is the goal as he made 3 his freshman year haha.
 
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Hey Blaire, a bunch of guards who can't shoot? Consider the information below.

Green: 48 made on 117 attempts for 41%
Durham: 40 made on 115 attempts for 35%
Phinisee: 27 made on 87 attempts for 31%
Total: 115 made on 319 attempts for 36%

Wheeler: 31 made on 85 attempts for 36%
Stefanovic: 25 made on 61 attempts for 41%
Hunter: 10 made on 46 attempts for 22%
Total: 66 made on 192 attempts for 34%

What's that say about Purdue's guards? They can't shoot either? Well, obviously not considering Eastern since we know he can't shoot.
You’re right. IU is a really good shooting team. That record low 3 point % in Big Ten play was a fluke.
 
You’re right. IU is a really good shooting team. That record low 3 point % in Big Ten play was a fluke.
Didn't say they were a great shooting team. I asked if you think they're bad, do you think Purdue is bad as well considering IU's best 3pt shooters have a better overall percentage than Purdue's. Don't dodge the question Blaire.
 
Didn't say they were a great shooting team. I asked if you think they're bad, do you think Purdue is bad as well considering IU's best 3pt shooters have a better overall percentage than Purdue's. Don't dodge the question Blaire.
Purdue will shoot a better 3pt % than IU next year, again. Do I need to make this bet with you guys every season?
 
I remember last year when you posted how you read that McRoberts balls no longer shrivel up in fright when he gets an open 3 pt shot and it meant that he was gonna be a really good 3 point shooter, similar to Cline but Cline just takes more. You should pat yourself on the back for that one.

Wow I forgot about that one. Any posts remotely comparing Cline to McRoberts are/were completely absurd. I'm sure McRoberts could've hit that fadeaway against Tennessee haha.
 
We are going to have over half a squad of new players next year even if Coffey comes back. Going to be pretty interesting.

PG- Marcus Carr (transfer)
CG- Payton Willis (transfer)
SG- Tre Williams (ranked #162)
PF- Isaiah Ihnen (ranked #86)
C- Sam Freeman (ranked #326)

Still have two spots to fill, 3 if Coffey stays in the draft. I expect Pitino to add at least one grad transfer possibly 2.
 
Didn't say they were a great shooting team. I asked if you think they're bad, do you think Purdue is bad as well considering IU's best 3pt shooters have a better overall percentage than Purdue's. Don't dodge the question Blaire.
Just an FYI on total returning:
  • Purdue: 83/249 for 33.3%
    • Includes: Haarms, Eastern, Wheeler, Williams, Boudreaux, Sasha, Hunter
    • I cut out Luce
  • IU: 129/384 for 33.6%
    • Includes: Smith, Durham, Green, Phinisee, Davis, Anderson, Thompson
    • I cut out Forrester, Moore, Jager, Blackmon -- lemme know if I messed that up
That includes a bunch of young guys for each team. Theoretically you'd see those number go up, but both teams lose our key guys that created a lot of the good looks for those guys. We add more shooting with Newman and IT than IU does with Franklin. Grad transfers could change things as well.

I'd say both teams have question marks there, with IU having a slight advantage in returning shooting numbers while Purdue's adding more.
 
Purdue will shoot a better 3pt % than IU next year, again. Do I need to make this bet with you guys every season?
That's a hard statement to make not knowing the completed rosters. If you guys get Cumberland, he obviously increases your 3pt shooting. If we get Quinones (we wont) and get a healthy hunter back, that increases our 3pt shooting.
 
Actually yeah Haarms is a guy i could see improve his %.
I don't expect the percentage to be that great, as I think he'll be similar to Morgan shooting the ball from 3, but hopefully on fewer attempts. But if he goes something like 20-60 on the year, I think it'd help change the way teams defend us a bit.
 
Just an FYI on total returning:
  • Purdue: 83/249 for 33.3%
    • Includes: Haarms, Eastern, Wheeler, Williams, Boudreaux, Sasha, Hunter
    • I cut out Luce
  • IU: 129/384 for 33.6%
    • Includes: Smith, Durham, Green, Phinisee, Davis, Anderson, Thompson
    • I cut out Forrester, Moore, Jager, Blackmon -- lemme know if I messed that up
That includes a bunch of young guys for each team. Theoretically you'd see those number go up, but both teams lose our key guys that created a lot of the good looks for those guys. We add more shooting with Newman and IT than IU does with Franklin. Grad transfers could change things as well.

I'd say both teams have question marks there, with IU having a slight advantage in returning shooting numbers while Purdue's adding more.
Is IT supposed to get PT next year? He is very skinny.
 
Is IT supposed to get PT next year? He is very skinny.
We'll see. I'd guess he gets the backup PG minutes, and plays a role similar to his brother -- bringing the ball up the court to initiate sets, then playing off-ball as a catch and shoot guy within the offense -- until he can make the physical gains he needs to. I do think Purdue has a need for quickness and shooting, and that's where he theoretically fits in.

But there are a lot of variables at play. Is Hunter good enough to garner minutes off ball, especially if we get a transfer? Is IT ready? Does Hunter play both? Lot can change.
 
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Just an FYI on total returning:
  • Purdue: 83/249 for 33.3%
    • Includes: Haarms, Eastern, Wheeler, Williams, Boudreaux, Sasha, Hunter
    • I cut out Luce
  • IU: 129/384 for 33.6%
    • Includes: Smith, Durham, Green, Phinisee, Davis, Anderson, Thompson
    • I cut out Forrester, Moore, Jager, Blackmon -- lemme know if I messed that up
That includes a bunch of young guys for each team. Theoretically you'd see those number go up, but both teams lose our key guys that created a lot of the good looks for those guys. We add more shooting with Newman and IT than IU does with Franklin. Grad transfers could change things as well.

I'd say both teams have question marks there, with IU having a slight advantage in returning shooting numbers while Purdue's adding more.

Think you're there. I had PU 33% with 25% of attempts from last year, Indiana at 34% with 61% of attempts. I still see Purdue shooting a higher % but the gap will narrow quite a bit.
 
Think you're there. I had PU 33% with 25% of attempts from last year, Indiana at 34% with 61% of attempts. I still see Purdue shooting a higher % but the gap will narrow quite a bit.
Wouldn't be surprised. I think Purdue is going to be really reliant on the 3 ball. If we find a scoring punch so that we can have some balance, I think we'll be a good 3 pt shooting team. If we don't and have to settle for a bunch of 3s, percentage may take a big hit.

I think IU will be a lower volume team again, but not like last year. I think playing two of Durham/Green/Phinisee at all times will be big.
 
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