And adding sharp shooting Armaan Franklin. Lmaoooo.
The main factor here is Archie Miller. The guy does not coach good offense.
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The main factor here is Archie Miller. The guy does not coach good offense.
MSU’s post depth won’t be a “weakness” IMO.
Outside of Tillman, we have Thomas Kithier, who was better than anticipated in limited play, and he can stretch out the floor. High basketball IQ, always seemed to be in the right place for easy layups or dunks.
We have Marcus Bingham, our most highly rated recruit form last treat who didn’t play very much as he needed to add weight and the college game, but I’m hearing he’s up 20 pounds from the end of the season.
We have Malik Hall to play the 4, a 6’8 top 50 forward coming in that the coaches can’t stop raving about, but ultimately plays more like a 3, and we have Julius Marble, who I don’t anticipate to play much as he needs to add good weight but was injured in high school and seemed to fly under the radar because of this injury.
We have Kyle Ahrens, who can play the 4. We would be a little undersized with him in, but he’s a redshirt senior who knows what MSU requires defensively to play.
We also have Braden Burke, a 6’11 preferred walk-on, who, if needed, could play if we needed some serious size.
I’m not saying it will be a strength, but I don’t know about weakness. There isn’t a single guy I just listed who can’t hit a 3, besides the walk on. It’s a good shooting group of big men. We have only seen 1 of our returnees play serious minutes, so I can understand room for concern, but I think we’ll be ok.
Outside of Tillman, we have Thomas Kithier, who was better than anticipated in limited play, and he can stretch out the floor. High basketball IQ, always seemed to be in the right place for easy layups or dunks.
We have Marcus Bingham, our most highly rated recruit form last treat who didn’t play very much as he needed to add weight and the college game, but I’m hearing he’s up 20 pounds from the end of the season.
We have Malik Hall to play the 4, a 6’8 top 50 forward coming in that the coaches can’t stop raving about, but ultimately plays more like a 3, and we have Julius Marble, who I don’t anticipate to play much as he needs to add good weight but was injured in high school and seemed to fly under the radar because of this injury.
We have Kyle Ahrens, who can play the 4. We would be a little undersized with him in, but he’s a redshirt senior who knows what MSU requires defensively to play.
We also have Braden Burke, a 6’11 preferred walk-on, who, if needed, could play if we needed some serious size.
I’m not saying it will be a strength, but I don’t know about weakness. There isn’t a single guy I just listed who can’t hit a 3, besides the walk on. It’s a good shooting group of big men. We have only seen 1 of our returnees play serious minutes, so I can understand room for concern, but I think we’ll be ok.
Because any of the 7 teams could technically finish in one of 1st, 2nd or 3rd. But if you’re just going to assume those 7 have to go into those 7 spots then have at it.
Kithier? The guy who avg 1.6/1.3? Bingham? The guy who avg 1.0/1.1? I'm sorry you all can't admit a flaw and trust me its the only one your team has. Your backcourt will be fantastic.
Bingham is supposedly up to ~230lbs now.
Marble doesn't really need to add weight - he already looks built like a college player. Stated he's 6'8" and 230lbs.
I do agree that our post depth is most potential at this point, but have to think at least one of Kithier, Bingham, Marble, or Hall can step up. Not to mention, Gabe Brown is roughly 6'8" - possible he could play some stretch 4 (not sure he really has a back to the basket game)
Why do i give a fvck how well a 5 can shot the 3? Yes these guys all play the 5, thats why i said post depth, especially if you admit MSU goes 4 and 1. They will lose games because of them losing in the post. Its their weakness. If i can find it, guys getting made millions of dollars to coach basketball can find it. If Tillman gets beat on, tired, or foul trouble MSU can be in trouble. Despite all that they are still the favorites to win the B1G feel good about that. They need someone to emerge if they expect to go deep in the tournament.
here is what Iowa lost
Cook 31.0 mpg, 14.5 ppg, 7.6 rpg 24 steals, 18 blocks bad 92 TO's shooting 51% from the field, 0.0% from 3 and 64.4% from the FTL
Jordan 31.1 mpg, 11.6 ppg, 3.4 apg, 23 steals shooting 38.1% from the field, 38.3% from 3, 87.2% from the FTL
Moss 24.1 mpg, 9.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 32 steals, shooting 39.9% from the field, 42.1% from 3, 79.1% from the FTL
Baer 19.1 mpg, 6.7 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 34 steals, 36 blocks shooting 43.5% from the field, 38.1% from 3 and 63.8% from the FTL
returning
Garza 23.6 mpg, 13.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 10 steals, 18 blocks, shooting 53.1% from the field, 29.2% from 3, 80.4% from the FTL All BT FR Team
Wieskamp 27.7 mpg, 11.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 31 steals, 16 blocks, shooting 48.8% from the field, 42.4% from 3, 76.7% from the FTL, All BT FR Team
Kriener 13.8 mpg, 5.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 15 steals, 12 blocks shooting 53.9% from the field, 33.3% from 3, 68.5% from the FTL
Connor 18.6 mpg, 4.4 ppg, 3.0 apg, 23 steals, shooting 36.1% from the field, 29.1% from 3, 75.3% from the FTL, is/was not known has a scorer, its assists and defense is his strong suit. @ 6'5 he is able to take the physical play.
returning starters
Pemsl FR season where he started over half the games before injuries started take their toll
19.3 mpg, 8.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 25 steals, 24 blocks, shooting 61.7% from the field, 0.0% from 3, 57.5% from the FTL
Nunge 15.7 mpg, 5.7 ppg,2.8 rpg, 21 steals, 25 blocks, shooting 44.3% from the Field, 33.3% from 3 and 75.5% from the FTL. I like what Pemsl and Nunge brings back,
rebounding, steals and blocking shots
Cook 31.0 mpg, 14.5 ppg, 7.6 rpg 24 steals, 18 blocks bad 92 TO's shooting 51% from the field, 0.0% from 3 and 64.4% from the FTL
Jordan 31.1 mpg, 11.6 ppg, 3.4 apg, 23 steals shooting 38.1% from the field, 38.3% from 3, 87.2% from the FTL
Moss 24.1 mpg, 9.2 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 32 steals, shooting 39.9% from the field, 42.1% from 3, 79.1% from the FTL
Baer 19.1 mpg, 6.7 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 34 steals, 36 blocks shooting 43.5% from the field, 38.1% from 3 and 63.8% from the FTL
returning
Garza 23.6 mpg, 13.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 10 steals, 18 blocks, shooting 53.1% from the field, 29.2% from 3, 80.4% from the FTL All BT FR Team
Wieskamp 27.7 mpg, 11.1 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 31 steals, 16 blocks, shooting 48.8% from the field, 42.4% from 3, 76.7% from the FTL, All BT FR Team
Kriener 13.8 mpg, 5.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 15 steals, 12 blocks shooting 53.9% from the field, 33.3% from 3, 68.5% from the FTL
Connor 18.6 mpg, 4.4 ppg, 3.0 apg, 23 steals, shooting 36.1% from the field, 29.1% from 3, 75.3% from the FTL, is/was not known has a scorer, its assists and defense is his strong suit. @ 6'5 he is able to take the physical play.
returning starters
Pemsl FR season where he started over half the games before injuries started take their toll
19.3 mpg, 8.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 25 steals, 24 blocks, shooting 61.7% from the field, 0.0% from 3, 57.5% from the FTL
Nunge 15.7 mpg, 5.7 ppg,2.8 rpg, 21 steals, 25 blocks, shooting 44.3% from the Field, 33.3% from 3 and 75.5% from the FTL. I like what Pemsl and Nunge brings back,
rebounding, steals and blocking shots
another thought on Iowa.
nobody will have to come in and replace the lost players the current returning players will have to just step up a notch in scoring
Garza 13+ ppg to 15+ ppg instead of Cook
Wieskamp 11+ ppg to 14 ppg
and so forth the new comers can score at the pace dictated, now if top 100 Wieskamp can avg 11+ ppg as a true FR, then its not unrealistic to see top 100 Patrick do the same.
nobody will have to come in and replace the lost players the current returning players will have to just step up a notch in scoring
Garza 13+ ppg to 15+ ppg instead of Cook
Wieskamp 11+ ppg to 14 ppg
and so forth the new comers can score at the pace dictated, now if top 100 Wieskamp can avg 11+ ppg as a true FR, then its not unrealistic to see top 100 Patrick do the same.
Is TJD going to start or come off the bench? There might be some growing pains early in the season, but I would throw as much minutes as he can take early so that he can go up the learning curve quickly and be a lead contributor during the B1G and post seasons. He seems to be the guy that gives IU upside.
Regardless if he comes off the bench or is a starter he is going to play the same amount of minutes.
True, I guess the question should have been, “Will TJD be playing in crunch time and finishing games?”.
hmmm went looking at his profile and found that ESPN rated him #27 overall and the 8th best POWER FOWARD in his class and now you know more than the people who rated him. even Bossi of Rivals rated him as a POWER FORWARD, I suppose you are going to call him a LIAR to his face?
nice to know you are this expert talent evaluator. when fact you don't know shit about where players can play and can't play.
go crawl back into your hole.
@hail2yourvictor
Here you go buddy, you’ll like this one better. I obviously am pleased with this one as well.
https://www.si.com/college-basketba...ngs-michigan-state-maryland-purdue-ohio-state
Here you go buddy, you’ll like this one better. I obviously am pleased with this one as well.
https://www.si.com/college-basketba...ngs-michigan-state-maryland-purdue-ohio-state
Just because he is listed as a pf doesn’t mean he can’t play center.
Gil, the IU guys are going to have a lot more inside info on how TJD is looking in summer workouts than you or the national Rivals guys.
why can't he after all his a top 30 recruit by ESPN and #35 by Rivals, gee never knew a top player that wasn't able to play as a FR. let alone contribute,
that's not the point most of you are calling him a center when in FACT he is a POWER FORWARD.. will be interesting to see 6'9 TJD play 7'2 Haarms, or for that matter 7'0 Nunge now those 2 are centers.
Well...there is the possibility that he can, which is why I was asking the IU guys, who are probably getting plenty of intel on how he has looked this summer.
Wait until Gil finds out how liberal ESPN is.
What about his game makes him a PF? What about his game translates to playing the 4 in college? Why do you only question how a black man will do against taller white guys?
Better me calling Bossi a liar than a racist
TJD is a 5 until that outside is consistent
as does Bossi of Rivals,
for starters his skill set is that of a F athletic as Cook but not as physycally imposing as Cook which does bode well playing other 5's, he is also more perimeter oriented. he is a 4 but in a small lineup can play the 5 against other 6'9 and 6'10 4/5's, Rivals has a nice video of him and even a 5 year old can tell that he a 4,
He's a 5. He will be coming off the bench backing up Brunk. Yes, he will get some time at the 4, but he's a 5.
ok how about Hakeem the dream, Kareem or Garnett, if don't Haarms or Nunge lets compare him the McHale or Bird, at the college level his game translates to the 4 just fine.
work on his outside shot and he is/will be even better at the 4, as I said he attacks the rim like Cook but with a better outside shot, the difference though TJD weighs 210 lbs, that is 3 weight. this is why at the college level he is more of a 4/3 players with the quicks to guard the 3, this was why he was rated where he was. now you want to play him out of position where he is best suited to play?
I’ll admit most of it is purely potential based, but Bingham has the highest ceiling on the team. We had 3 pretty good big men last year, so none of these guys got many minutes. Kithier and Bingham rarely played. I may be high on them, especially Bingham, but it’s because I’ve heard good things from the coaches and staff about them. Malik Hall too.
If you were to cite an area you could exploit to beat MSU, I agree with you, it would be in the post. Get Tillman in foul trouble, then grind it in the post.
again you are saying you know more that Bossi and his AAU and HS Coach.
and I will take that bet about TJD only coming off the bench. glad to know that you are a expert on who can/will start and where they will play.
you know its really amazing how many talent experts and couch coaches there are in this thread that act like they know more than the coaches when in fact they don't know anything.
So is bossi correct in everything he’s ever said? I remember you questioning him on a few things....
Just curious why you think he will struggle against only those two?
