It doesn't make sense either way you slice it but you're riding high.
Brooks
Watson
Livers
Johns
Teske
You think every starting 5 trumps that? I don’t.
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Brooks
Watson
Livers
Johns
Teske
You think every starting 5 trumps that? I don’t.
I know it'd be tough to outscore 11.4 ppg, but I'm guessing most teams could.
I don't know every teams starting 5.
What I do know is:
-Livers and Teske are top 7 players on a Final 4 team.
-Johns is a top 50 recruit.
-Beilein saw enough from Eli Brooks that he started over Zavier Simpson for half the season and given Beilein's reputation for developing PGs shouldn't be judged on his lack of playing time now.
Watson is probably the only person that wouldn't start on the lower tier conference teams.
Johns, Livers, and Teske would all start for Wisconsin next year but will come off Michigan's bench next year if Wagner returns. Truth hurts.
Brooks started for 12 games, and did so little that he earned 66 minutes over his final 14 games.
Beilein apparently saw enough to realize he wasn't very good and promptly benched him. He's likely a backup at best on every team.
Livers has upside, but I don't know how consistent he is. Will have to wait and see.
Think you're overvaluing some role player here.
I thought Happ was graduating. Teske wouldn't start over him obviously.
Livers starts for Michigan's Final 4 team but would ride the bench for Wisconsin? Come on, man.
Brooks looked better as a freshman than Simpson did. Think about that for a second. Simpson was absolute garbage last year and is one of the best PGs in the conference now. You ever going to recognize Beilein for how well he identifies skill at that position and develops it?
Livers was playing really good before his ankle injury in conference play. Michigan fans are split on whether they think he will start over 5* Ignas Brazdeikas or not.
This is the Gil argument that Fran sculpted a couple of nobodies into star players at Iowa, so every nobody is going to be a star because of Fran's magic touch.
Not the case.
He's a freshman role player on one of the best teams in the country right now. As a sophomore with Wisconsin's trash lineup he'd probably average double digits. Pritzl and Trice are terrible and they put up 9ppg because your roster is so bad.
Not quite. At this point Beilein gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to developing PGs. Comparing Beilein's PG development to Fran's is bad form, Jaycg.
I'm not comparing Beilein and Fran. I'm comparing your logic to Gil's. In this case, my form is aces.
It's really not. I have learned to not doubt Beilein when it comes to point guard development. He's arguably the best coach in the country in that aspect. Judging PG's in Beilein's system based on their freshman year is silly.
Judging anyone by their freshman season is silly in general. Unless they're one and done. Then judge away.
I'm not saying it's definite that he won't improve, I'm saying it's less than definite that he'll become someone that's good enough to start on a Big 10 team let alone another one of Beilein's hidden gems. There is merit to judging even a freshman on his performance. In this case, the player did very little to support your argument, and Beilein seemed to agree.
MSU Dean had a Nassar video on his computer. My god. Burn it down. Complete pieces of shit.
MSU just as bad as Penn State.
MSU just as bad as Penn State.
You're wrong quite a bit here (see: your avatar) and this is another instance. Brooks showed some nice tools, he was just in over is head as a freshman. Simpson became one of the best PGs in the conference and Simmons finally became a nice serviceable backup. Odds are Brooks is noticeably better as a sophomore than he was as a freshman and a noticeably better Brooks could start on some bottom tier teams.
This is the same stupid shit I heard all offseason when I said I trusted Beilein to overcome the losses of Walton, Irvin, and Teske. You and the other simpletons here need to stop doubting the guys player development skills.
I'll give Beilein all the credit in the world for his player development; it's elite. But I would push back on the "Brooks was better than Simpson as a freshman" argument. Unless you are going by subjective measures, Simpson had a better freshman year by about all metrics.
True, they both sucked. Simpson sucked a tad bit less. Simpson's development has been awesome.
The dream is always alive and well.........
Once the season is over and the team has crushed our spirit once again.
Looks like Strickland just committed to UW.
Wagner can shoot. Happ can't. Wagner is a potential first rounder. Happ not so much.
And you're wrong here a lot. My avatar bet was purely for fun, and I explicitly stated that I would likely lose it.
You can't be serious about this. Your bench is nowhere near good enough to finish above last in the big ten.
