I’m not sure anyone onvthis board at least has ever said anything about Beilein developing players. He is a damn good coach.
*Official* 2017-2018 B1G In-Season Thread
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Agree we had our chances and didn't take care of business.
I don't think that's going to play that heavily in our seeding though. Right now we're a two seed with the risk of a couple teams (UNC, Cincy, Auburn, maybe another) jumping us with conference tourney wins.
I’m comparing MSU to Purdue when it comes to the selection committee. I don’t think they’ll look at the two teams and put MSU ahead of them just because MSU beat them at home. Not arguing Purdue’s schedule was unfair or anything like that
Every god damn year you guys assume Michigan will suck because of who we lose without giving Beilein the benefit of the doubt in developing the ones we return.
There were at least 2 MSU fans here that said Michigan would miss the tournament.
Not sure who predicted them to miss.
Even yourself has to be surprised with what has happened with this UM team. No one thought they would be a 2/3/4 seed.
Those 3 are honestly odd to compare and should be interesting to see. Purdue's best win before Michigan made its run? Butler ranked 24th. So UMs run in turn helped Purdue's resume. But the 3's top 10kp wins are:
MSU: #5, #8
Purdue: #9x2
Mich: #5, #6.
Their worst losses:
MSU: #16 OSU, #9x2
Purdue: #75, #70, #16
Mich: #89, #59, #56
Just looking at them its hard to distinguish and we should get to see what the committee will prioritize.
I didn't expect them to be as good as they have been playing lately. I think the biggest surprise is the improvement on defense.
Not sure if I said they'd miss the tournament, but I figured they'd be a bubble team.
Thats what Im saying...all things being pretty damn close, you give the nod to the teams who are in the home state.
Detroit has hosted the 1st and 2nd rounds once in my lifetime...to not give the state of MI teams Detroit this year, after both are deserving of it, just wouldn't sit well with me.
It sucks that the NCAA has half the sites West of the MS river...
Who cares? Mgkcbb thinks MSU will suck and won't even be top 10 in the conference next year because of who we lose. Most of the posters on this site, myself included, are morons.
So your defense of MSU fans not giving Beilein his due credit is citing arguably the most accomplished troll this board as ever seen? Alrighty, then.
I think you just like to argue and nitpick every little thing you can. Why do you need Spartan fans approval of your coach?
I think Purdue is a lock to be seeded higher over MSU and here is why - all of the things the committee claims they value seems to favor Purdue.
So all things arent close with MSU and Purdue. They only appear close if you start using things the committee doesnt value to try and fabricate a scenario where they are close - like acting like MSU going 16-2 in a weaker 18 game schedule means more than Purdue going 15-3 in a tougher 18 game schedule.
RPI
Purdue 9
Michigan State 15
SOS
Purdue 43
Michigan State 82
Non con SOS
Purdue 76
Michigan State 215
Non con RPI
Purdue 24
Michigan State 32
Quadrant 1
Purdue 6-4
Michigan State 3-4
Quadrant 2
Purdue 5-2
Michigan State 5-0
Quadrants 3+4
Purdue 17-0
Michigan State 21-0
So Purdue has 3 more Q1 wins, the same amount of Q2 wins, and MSU has more 3+4 wins(which doesnt matter all).
Every measure that the committee claims they heavily emphasize and value favors Purdue:
RPI, SOS, Quadrant 1 wins and Q1 record.
Right after MSU beat Purdue, the committee did a bracket reveal where Purdue was a 2 and MSU a 3 basically showing this and MSU and Purdue have stayed the same since.
MSU was 3-3 in Q1 wins entering the B1G tournament. Had they beat Michigan and then beat Purdue again, theyd be 5-3 in Q1 wins and probably top 8 in RPI and locked into a 2 seed and for sure the highest seeded B1G team. But they didnt. So now they will almost assuredly end up a 3 or 4 seed after all the conf tournaments are played and dust is settled while Purdue has a very good chance of remaining a 2 seed.
The only way MSU would get any favor over Purdue is if the committee completely scraped all the metrics theyve openly stated they are going to use and changed course altogether, in which case theyd have to try and find something that favors MSU over a number of teams, not just Purdue.
So all things arent close with MSU and Purdue. They only appear close if you start using things the committee doesnt value to try and fabricate a scenario where they are close - like acting like MSU going 16-2 in a weaker 18 game schedule means more than Purdue going 15-3 in a tougher 18 game schedule.
RPI
Purdue 9
Michigan State 15
SOS
Purdue 43
Michigan State 82
Non con SOS
Purdue 76
Michigan State 215
Non con RPI
Purdue 24
Michigan State 32
Quadrant 1
Purdue 6-4
Michigan State 3-4
Quadrant 2
Purdue 5-2
Michigan State 5-0
Quadrants 3+4
Purdue 17-0
Michigan State 21-0
So Purdue has 3 more Q1 wins, the same amount of Q2 wins, and MSU has more 3+4 wins(which doesnt matter all).
Every measure that the committee claims they heavily emphasize and value favors Purdue:
RPI, SOS, Quadrant 1 wins and Q1 record.
Right after MSU beat Purdue, the committee did a bracket reveal where Purdue was a 2 and MSU a 3 basically showing this and MSU and Purdue have stayed the same since.
MSU was 3-3 in Q1 wins entering the B1G tournament. Had they beat Michigan and then beat Purdue again, theyd be 5-3 in Q1 wins and probably top 8 in RPI and locked into a 2 seed and for sure the highest seeded B1G team. But they didnt. So now they will almost assuredly end up a 3 or 4 seed after all the conf tournaments are played and dust is settled while Purdue has a very good chance of remaining a 2 seed.
The only way MSU would get any favor over Purdue is if the committee completely scraped all the metrics theyve openly stated they are going to use and changed course altogether, in which case theyd have to try and find something that favors MSU over a number of teams, not just Purdue.
Because at some point it would be nice to not have to explain the same thing over and over to Spartan fans with selective amnesia.
Everything there is true, except when the committee revealed that first bracket, they stated that it did not include games from the previous day. So that point, and ONLY that point is invalid. I would not be surprised if they're both 3's. The B1G has not had very favorable seeds the past few years.
Maryland is currently 73rd in RPI. Were they to move down under 75 after all the results this week, Purdue would drop to 5-4 in Q1 and MSU to 2-4 in Q1.
Would not be good for either.
But Im not sure theres any real difference between a 2 and 3 seed.
I would be a 4 and draw Xavier as a 1, for instance, than be a 3 and draw Duke as a 2.
Would not be good for either.
But Im not sure theres any real difference between a 2 and 3 seed.
I would be a 4 and draw Xavier as a 1, for instance, than be a 3 and draw Duke as a 2.
Didn’t you hear the nebraska fans, because Maryland would have been a quad one win without the injuries the committee is going to count it as such or some dumb shit like that.
Don't need to tell UW fans this.
Purdue, MSU, and UM fans should all be preparing for 5 and 6 seeds.
I want to avoid Nova and Duke and find Xavier, Gonzaga, Virginia. I’m neutral on playing Kansas.
There will also be a lot of non traditional teams with high seeds like TxTech, Auburn, Cinci...id like to see any of them in the S16. Not used to the bright lights.
They have an elite PG and a fairly veteran team who’s been there before. They’ll be tough. Brunson would work Winston.
Teams with good PGs that can get into the lane is our Achilles on D.
We took them down last year. You guys could this year.
We held Brunson to 11 pts. Hart was the one who killed us. I think he's gone.
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Pretty much agree with you. Duke and Nova are far and away the teams I want to avoid. I would add Kansas as a bad match up for Purdue since they can really drive and shoot at the 1-4.
Depending on match up, I may be picking X to make an early exit. They just play down to their opponent far too often. Would like Purdue to fall into that bracket. Virgnia is really good, but when you look at your typical 1 seeds, they're a team I'd happily take in my bracket.
And for all those who can't stand NOVA, we thank you for last season!.
Yeah I like Kansas & Xavier losing in the second round or sweet 16 depending on the matchup. Also, Purdue fans might not like this but a upset pick in the secon round could be A&M over Purdue if ESPN's mock bracket is somehow correct.
IF YOU PICK AGAINST MY TEAM IT'S AN ACT OF WAR AND WILL BE TREATED AS SUCH.
13th in RPI, 9th in KenPom and you see a 6 or 7 seed, Christ.
if you're serious then you should banned from future discussion in this thread as your college basketball acumen is nonexistent
3-4-5 seed
Well shit put that in the first post under a spoiler
Your still my man, Three.......Still my man, brother. We butt heads, but I enjoy your post. Very knowledgeable.
