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*Official* 2017-2018 B1G In-Season Thread

That’s completely false. Jackson brought more to the table. Better defender, could get to the rim, and set up teammates well. Only thing PJ really has is 3-point shooting over Jackson.
It's an opinion. It's ok to disagree. I liked Jackson. I just prefer a guard who's shot you ahve to respect. ALong with the ability to create. I just happened to like PJ better.
 
Haas has been a third team conference pick once in his career. Johnson was an All American lol
Ok....Again. I am not saying Haas is better. HE IS NOT. I'm saying he is the better fit for THIS team. He opens up Purdue's offense. He is almost impossbile to defend one on one. And not b/c he's that good. Or some type of unstoppable All-American. It's because he's very big, striong, has great footwork and is very efficient at the basket. He demands a double team. Otherwise, it's two points. Your not going to bully him out of the lane. Not going to push him around. That wasn't the case with JJ. He was 6'10, 220. Haas is 7'2", 290. Johnson doesn't present the same issues Haas does. He didn't command a double team, in the post. Haas does. And that helps this team tremendously.

Being the better individual player doesn't always mean your the better fit. That is all I am saying. Didn't think it would be that hard to understand.
 
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To each their own. I see where you’re coming from but I think JaJuan on this team would just be another matchup problem for opposing teams with his ability to play in and out. I don’t think JaJuan would hurt the ability for shooters to be open at all and he was also better at pick and roll. He would be astronomically better than Haas on the defensive side. Especially in the pick and roll D which is Haas’s kryptonite.
He would be., But IMO, he wouldn't open up the perimeter game like Haas does. I don't think JuJuan would hurt the ability for shooters to be open. But I don't think he would help it the way Haas does. On this particular team, and how it scores, I'd take Haas. He's a guy you absolutely have to double. Or its a foul or a bucket. Or both. Man with the shooters Purdue has, that's a god damn lethal combo. Just lethal.
 
Ok....Again. I am not saying Haas is better. HE IS NOT. I'm saying he is the better fit for THIS team. He opens up Purdue's offense. He is almost impossbile to defend one on one. And not b/c he's that good. Or some type of unstoppable All-American. It's because he's very big, striong, has great footwork and is very efficient at the basket. He demands a double team. Otherwise, it's two points. Your not going to bully him out of the lane. Not going to push him around. That wasn't the case with JJ. He was 6'10, 220. Haas is 7'2", 290. Johnson doesn't present the same issues Haas does. He didn't command a double team, in the post. Haas does. And that helps this team tremendously.

Being the better individual player doesn't always mean your the better fit. That is all I am saying. Didn't think it would be that hard to understand.
He demands double teams, but he's not that good? Huh?
 
He demands double teams, but he's not that good? Huh?
Oh my God...Really? Are you drunk tonight? Do you not understand what I meant by, "not that good"? Or did you take that literally s me saying, "he's not that good"? Nevermind....Your response tells me my answer.
 
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What did you mean?
By saying he's not that good, I said so in reference to the comment of JJ being an All-American. As in , he is good , just not that good.

To be fair, I could've been a little more clear on that, huh? My bad for being a smartass.
 
Floor slap results (thanks to @justinchampine)

1st half:
  • 12:35 MAAR called for charge
  • 11:38 Wagner miss, Poole steal, DR fouled on offensive putback. Makes both
2nd half:
  • 18:28 MAAR drills three
  • 11:05 DR three
  • 8:23 MAAR post score
  • 3:05 MAAR three (the dagger)


Why does MSU slap the floor?
 
Some of these are odd choices IMO. The 2010 team seems better than this team on defense, but far behind offensively.

Kramer was a good defender, but inferior to Matthias in every other way. Matthias is no bum on defense, either.

Matthias: 12ppg, 4.1apg, 4.1rpg, 46% from 3
Kramer: 6.5ppg, 3.0rpg, 2.3apg, 27.3% from 3
If you trade Kramer for Mathias, that team becomes incredibly dangerous on the offensive end. And as you said, Mathias is a plus-defender, it's not like that is a huge dropoff and that team was a top-five defensive unit already.
 
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Agree with this. Tough call between Moore and Edwards. I could go either way on that one.
The one I think people are overlooking is Hummel and VEdwards. Edwards is a statistically better player, from a per-game or efficiency perspective. But Hummel gets the intangible edge - guy was an alpha from day one and I would point that out as this Purdue team's real weakness as we head into the NCAA Tournament.

This Purdue team has a lot of really good college players who overcome some athletic deficiencies with above-average skill and basketball IQ. But there are no vocal leaders who can grab the team and settle things down or elevate intensity when needed.
 
The one I think people are overlooking is Hummel and VEdwards. Edwards is a statistically better player, from a per-game or efficiency perspective. But Hummel gets the intangible edge - guy was an alpha from day one and I would point that out as this Purdue team's real weakness as we head into the NCAA Tournament.

This Purdue team has a lot of really good college players who overcome some athletic deficiencies with above-average skill and basketball IQ. But there are no vocal leaders who can grab the team and settle things down or elevate intensity when needed.

Vince got benched against Michigan for not giving enough effort AS A SENIOR. That was never an issue with Hummel. I never thought man Rob is just going through the motions. Not once.
 
David Dejulius goes down to a team with no league wins. He never got a district title, let alone state
 
Foster Loyer, on the other hand, was the best player on a team that won state last year. Shame he got injured
 
So if Purdue goes to Pittsburgh with Villanova, then Virginia goes to Charlotte with Duke or UNC.

Where does the other go, Dallas? Where does Tennessee go? Why can't they play down the road in Nashville? How about Auburn? Nashville is close for them too.

Fair or not, there are two many mouths to feed and not enough nearby pods. Someone will have to get screwed if both M/MSU go to Detroit.

The NCAA had four pods in the plain states or west. There is a shade over 1/3 of the US population in those states. The NCAA should never, never never ever have two pods in the plains. There is only one major conference in the plains!!!!

If that damn Wichita or Dallas pod were Chicago or St Louis this year, this would not be a problem. Purdue would take the short trip west. Cincy or X would go too and everyone would be happy.

Yeah there’s an odd team out. One of the B1G teams will be in Dallas or somewhere.

Purdue should be the odd team our. NCAA tries to keel top seeds in their backyard if they can.

Having Boise and Wichita sucks as host sites.
 
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The one I think people are overlooking is Hummel and VEdwards. Edwards is a statistically better player, from a per-game or efficiency perspective. But Hummel gets the intangible edge - guy was an alpha from day one and I would point that out as this Purdue team's real weakness as we head into the NCAA Tournament.

This Purdue team has a lot of really good college players who overcome some athletic deficiencies with above-average skill and basketball IQ. But there are no vocal leaders who can grab the team and settle things down or elevate intensity when needed.

Hummel all day every day. Never been a Vince fan. Solid player but never a game changer.
 
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Thread has gone to fvcking shit. God damn it Rutgers, Delaney and stupid MSG for having us play the tournament a week early.
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If Wagner returns, this guy and him up front


is going be so much fun and they are going be absolutely hated
 
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Saw a tweet today that John Belein has beat Izzo 3 times in a row by double digits every time and by 50 combined points in those 3 games. Only one of those games were in Ann Arbor and it was a 29 point beatdown.
 
Yeah there’s an odd team out. One of the B1G teams will be in Dallas or somewhere.

Purdue should be the odd team our. NCAA tries to keel top seeds in their backyard if they can.

Having Boise and Wichita sucks as host sites.
Obviously the selection committee gives no shits about either the BTT or regular season champs based on past history. Seems like one of the Michigan teams will be odd man out.
Current Bracket Matrix Seeding average...which include BTT results:
Purdue 2.18
MSU 2.69
UM 3.29

Assuming these brackets align with the committee metrics what reasoning would the committee have for rewarding either Michigan team and punishing Purdue ?

BTW not defending committee metrics that have Purdue higher.
 
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Obviously the selection committee gives no shits about either the BTT or regular season champs based on past history. Seems like one of the Michigan teams will be odd man out.
Current Bracket Matrix Seeding average...which include BTT results:
Purdue 2.18
MSU 2.69
UM 3.29

Assuming these brackets align with the committee metrics what reasoning would the committee have for rewarding either Michigan team and punishing Purdue ?

BTW not defending committee metrics that have Purdue higher.

MSU was on a 12 game winning streak before UM beat them. MSU beat Purdue in the de facto outright B1G champ game and UM crushed Purdue in the BTT final.

All 3 teams are very close in terms of overall resume. But MSU having the regular season and UM the BTT, I'd reward them with Detroit. The NCAA tourney has also said they have discretion to not just be robots and say well this team is 1 slot higher so I must give them preference. It's a guideline, not a law.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the committee bumps MSU to a 2 seed but then doesn't give them Detroit. Or the committee making UM a 4 seed instead of a 3 but giving them Detroit. I bet something like that happens.
 
Saw a tweet today that John Belein has beat Izzo 3 times in a row by double digits every time and by 50 combined points in those 3 games. Only one of those games were in Ann Arbor and it was a 29 point beatdown.

I wonder if MSU slappies will start giving Beilein the benefit of the doubt in terms of player development.
 
Obviously the selection committee gives no shits about either the BTT or regular season champs based on past history. Seems like one of the Michigan teams will be odd man out.
Current Bracket Matrix Seeding average...which include BTT results:
Purdue 2.18
MSU 2.69
UM 3.29

Assuming these brackets align with the committee metrics what reasoning would the committee have for rewarding either Michigan team and punishing Purdue ?

BTW not defending committee metrics that have Purdue higher.

MSU was on a 12 game winning streak before UM beat them. MSU beat Purdue in the de facto outright B1G champ game and UM crushed Purdue in the BTT final.

All 3 teams are very close in terms of overall resume. But MSU having the regular season and UM the BTT, I'd reward them with Detroit. The NCAA tourney has also said they have discretion to not just be robots and say well this team is 1 slot higher so I must give them preference. It's a guideline, not a law.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the committee bumps MSU to a 2 seed but then doesn't give them Detroit. Or the committee making UM a 4 seed instead of a 3 but giving them Detroit. I bet something like that happens.
Not sure you can punish Purdue for losing the big ten championship in a close game on MSU’s home floor when MSU never played @Purdue
 
MSU was on a 12 game winning streak before UM beat them. MSU beat Purdue in the de facto outright B1G champ game and UM crushed Purdue in the BTT final.

All 3 teams are very close in terms of overall resume. But MSU having the regular season and UM the BTT, I'd reward them with Detroit. The NCAA tourney has also said they have discretion to not just be robots and say well this team is 1 slot higher so I must give them preference. It's a guideline, not a law.

I personally wouldn't be surprised if the committee bumps MSU to a 2 seed but then doesn't give them Detroit. Or the committee making UM a 4 seed instead of a 3 but giving them Detroit. I bet something like that happens.
Crushed is a little dramatic. Also Purdue is 2-1 against UM and finished ahead in the reg season. As I say recent history indicates no value in BTT or BT regular season. Also apparently no consideration of recent performance. Mostly hear "complete body of work". There may be little difference in resume in your eyes but bracket geeks obviously see something that bumps Purdue in front of both Michigan schools. UM in particular has no case for a favorable bump over Purdue.
 
Not sure you can punish Purdue for losing the big ten championship in a close game on MSU’s home floor when MSU never played @Purdue
Ans Purdue lost a close HOME game to OSU and didn't have to go to OSU. The schedule is unbalanced, but Purdue had a chance to take care of business at home and did not. They also lost to a bad Wisconsin team. They had their opportunities.
 
Ans Purdue lost a close HOME game to OSU and didn't have to go to OSU. The schedule is unbalanced, but Purdue had a chance to take care of business at home and did not. They also lost to a bad Wisconsin team. They had their opportunities.
And on and on...the only point that matters is the committee does not care if you win a league title. Pretty sure they bring that up every year as in "We don't care about league titles" and "League titles? What's a league title?"
 
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