what draft did he **** up where he wasn't picking near the bottom? and, yes, was a dumb thing to say but they later offered everyone the chance to stay and they wouldn't. From his past we know Phillip is not up for a challenge.
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I knew Portland would at least steal a game. However, I think the Rockets are a weird match up for the Lakers. Portland had shooters, but their defense was sub-par...and when Lillard or Mccolum weren’t making shots...their offense grew really stagnant. Lebron will Lebron though, and I don’t expect them to lose mostly because of that. Danny Green, KCP, Caruso etc need to knock down some shots. Caruso looked good last night, but he couldn’t stay out of foul trouble. That’s exactly what Houston wants by the mere fact Harden and Westbrook get to the line with ease.
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Laughing....Yeah OK...Pippen, the 2nd year player, transformed/ made Jordan the 1988 DPOY in the NBA...Or could it be, now in his 4th season, Jordan was becoming better and better defensively? Culminating in being named DPOY. I mean he was Top 10 in steals every year prior to Pippens arrival... But sure, a 2nd year guy that didn't start a single NBA game, played a mere 20 minutes per game, helped build MJ into the DPOY that season..
Come on,dude...
What would you have done? The owner, BEFORE the season, DURING the season, is telling you---" I am not bringing back your coach----I don't care what he does". And then suddenly, at the end, says, "OK, lets see what we can do"?
What would you do if you are Phil Jackson?
Well, we can start with 1985....Took Keith Lee from Memphis State..Others in the front office wanted this one dude......May have heard of him. But Jerry was adamant of Lee. The guy Krause passed on???
Karl Malone. So with the 11th pick, Krause chose Keith Lee. Two picks later the Utah Jazz selected Malone. Seems that worked out well for Utah. In fairness though, Krause did trade Lee for Charles Oakley..But still, he passed on Karl Malone.
1986----With the 9th pick, he took Brad Sellers...Passed on John Salley.. Salley ended up with twice the amount of career points...3x's as many rebounds, oh, and helped Detriot win 2 NBA titles.
1987---Best draft he ever had...Got Pippen and Horace Grant.
1988---11th pick----Took Will Perdue....Passed on Dan Majerle and Rod Strickland.
1989---6th pick--Stacey King. Not bad. But....Shawn Kemp, Nick Anderson and Tim Hardaway all picked after King. Rumor has it Jordan wanted Kemp, badly. But Krause wasn't sold. So he drafted King instead...Bulls picked again at 18th...Got BJ Armstrong. Krause passed on two guys named Divac and Cliff Robinson..
1990---No 1st round pick. Bulls selcted Kucok in the 2nd round. We all know the story of how Krause lauded Kucok as being on the same level as MJ and Pippen...We all know how that turned out. Kucok never made an NBA All-Star team. Not once.
1992: Byron Houston, 27th. P.J. Brown drafted two picks later. Brown scored nearly 10,000 points in his career. Houston didn’t hit 1,000.
1993: Corie Blount, 25th overall. Another swing and miss at a big man while Nick Van Exel was selected 37th by the Lakers. Not to mention Bryon Russell, who Jordan would see in 1998, was drafted 45th.
1994: Dickey Simpkins, 21st overall. If you haven’t figured it out by now, drafting a big man was not Krause’s thing. ....
1995: Jason Caffey, 20th. One more try at a power forward.
Oops.......Passed on Michael Finley...He was selected with the next pick...
Look, there are misses.....there are steals....But dude ****ed up every draft asides from when he chose Pippen and Grant. Though this was a known thing. Apparently not.
Never made it without Pippen. Never had much postseason success without Pippen. Not really debatable.
Phillip also said before being told he was not coming back that he wouldn't come back.
But to answer your question for Phillip I'd do what Phillip did. Bolt, as he is not up for a challenge and never has been. Most other coaches? stayed and gone for #7 even though would have been tougher.
Laughing.....
Not sure what your agenda is here....But its pretty asinine....obtuse....and just plain stupid.
I mean LBJ couldn't win a title until he paired up with Bosh and Wade...Hell even managed to lose to the ****ing Dallas Mavericks with those guys...Laughing.
Tell me, once MJ got the "help".exactly how many NBA Finals did he lose?
1985 - OK...he passed on Malone like 10 other teams did and still wound up with a solid player in Oakley. Taking Lee doesn't matter as he knew he was not keeping him. Hard to call winding up with Oakley a disaster or even a bad draft pick
1986 - sellers is a bad pick, and sure Salley would have been better.
1987 - kind of should forgive him maybe for any other bad pick, but whatever
1988- Can I use your "Salley logic" on Perdue and mention all the titles he won with the Bulls? did they really need Majerle with MJ and Pippen on the team? sure he would help, but come on. That is absurd.
1989 - decent pick and you rip on it because of hindsight? I mean, you can rip so many drafts by even the best of the best with this "logic"
1990 - You cannot even credit him for taking Kucok in round 2 because he didn't make all star teams? You are beyond irrational. Done reading this one.
Sure.....Jordan was leaving....Pippen was leaving...Rodman was leaving....But you would have stayed...Needed that challenge...Laughing
Idea you make this comment after looking for reasons to criticize the pick of Kukoc in round 2. Done reading altogether. Could you be more irrational?
I'm irrational? I gave you about 13 drafts where he ****ed up...Hell you said, "what did he **** up with all the late picks"...Thing is, he had the 9th pick, 11th pick(Twice), 6th pick, 18th pick and the 21st....On what ****ing planet are those LATE picks..
Really---How many titles did the Bulls win with Perdue? You are comparing that to Salley helping the Pistons....Really? Could the Bulls have really used Majerle? Are you being serious? JFC...
Sure he gets credit for choosing Kucok. But that was an example of how bad he was when evaluating talent...Dude---he compared him to MICHAEL JORDAN. Not just compared, but said he was on the same level....Wanna call something absurd----There ya go.
Sure "hindsight" is great...But dude---It just wasn't once...It was multiple times over and over...
Man, I thought you were knowledgeable .....Apparently my judgement is as bad as Krauses...
Seems you have an issue with facts...And an issue with giving MJ the credit he deserves...I meantion him being a 9X First Team defensive player----You mention Pippen...Nevermind the FACT that Pippen didn't start a single NBA game in 1988, and played a mere 20 mpg...But hey, his presence is why Jordan was named DPOY in the NBA, in 1988...That is so stupid it gives stupid another meaning..
Exactly. But he’ll argue this. Lol. I’d let it die. Wasting your time.
As soon as he tried to rip them for a pick that was Oakley but gave no credit for Kucok in round 2 I was done.
Nope. I "act" like he never made all defense without Pippen and never had much success without him.
because he didn't.....but Pippen won 55 without MJ.
Because it’s so common for people to come into the nba and dominate it their first, what 4 years. How many years did pippen play without Jordan? And how many titles? It goes both ways.
Your basically shitting on Jordan’s personal accomplishments bc the Bulls drafted pippen and he turned into a great player as well.
Your basically shitting on Jordan’s personal accomplishments bc the Bulls drafted pippen and he turned into a great player as well.
It stupid....I mean, whats the relevance? No one is saying Pippen wasn't a great part...an important part. A needed part. Of course he was. Pip played a HUGE role in all 6 titles won by the Bulls. WHo has said anything different? NOw as far as Pippen being "A" reason MJ was so good defensively? Naaaaah. Jordan won NBA DPOY in 1988---Pippens rookie year. A season where Pip didn't start a single game...and only played 20mpg...But sure, he(Pip) was a reason why MJ was the 1988 DPOY..
Sure...
Some have to discredit the dude....It helps them with their boy, LeBronda...
BTW, ****ing Heat 'bout to sweep the Bucks....WTF?
I can’t hate on Lebron. Dude is 1B to Jordan imo, and he seems like a great person (created I Promise school for kids to get an opportunity to go to college, never had a scandal, loyal husband and great father..etc) but with that being said...I still want the Lakers to lose lol.
As for the Heat, man they’ve been overlooked.. and as someone pointed out earlier ITT, the Bucks looked kind of deflated going into this series. Which is weird bc they had the best record in the league.
agree...neither won without the other. But only one considered the GOAT. seems he'd have been the one to have the 55 win season without the other....but that was Pippen.
Taught Jordan a lot. Taught younger players like LeBron.
Get a percentage of ownership.
Jordan came back when the Wizards gave him a percentage but it was too late for him.
Reinsdorf wanted to profit on what MJ accomplished. Taught Jordan a valuable lesson in business.
Krause is the guy who often time is blamed. But Krause is in the middle. Only can do what ownership wants. Ownership didn't think another championship would increase the value of the Chicago Bulls. So why not get rid of everyone and then collect off what they accomplished.
Problem was that the people who won were the ones thrown overboard...
Reason why MJ wanted a percentage of ownership when he returned.
As a basketball player, LeBron is as good as there ever was...I don't think he'll ever pass MJ, though. Not unless he goes on a crazy title run...
As for being a great person? I'll leave that one alone...Winking. As for being a great father, husband, etc, etc...Cannot disagree there..Seems to have that covered.
Meh. I’m still laughing at the fact the Bulls can be considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest, teams of all time, but everyone they beat had more talent. And I won’t quit laughing til you walk back that horrendous take.
I can jive w this. It’s the BLM stuff that has you triggered, though, I can tell. Dude is a black man who has obviously seen plenty of racism and people trying to take advantage of him (white and black, I’m sure), so holding his platform against him, while MJ did pretty much nothing for the black community, isn’t fair. There’s a reason Kareem is so revered off the court.
Whoa, now....I never said ALL theteams had more talent...I said there were SOME teams that just as much talent. If you have an ounce of basketball knowledge, there is no way you cannot agree with that...
Quit getting caught up Jordan/Pippen.....The Lakers had Magic, Perkins and Worthy. And spare me the "old as dirt" shit....Magic was coming off an MVP....Perkins was in the same draft as MJ, and only 28 or so...Worthy just turned 30, and was averaging 21ppg...That's three HOF'ers...
You guys will stop at nothing, disregarding MJ and the Bulls....Its funny as shit.
Why am I triggered? Cannot someone just disagree with someone else's actions, views, etc, etc??? I think LBJ has said a lot of ignorant things, without thinking...And many agree with me; Its why he has been called out. I do not think LeBron is intelligent enough to speak on some of the matters he does...
What has LeBron done for the black community? Asides from spewing some ignorant shit, and lying about his house being vandalized?
Also, I never said MJ was a great person....or a better person than LBJ. I didn't realize we were discussing this....I thought we were talking hoops, etc, etc...
Magic was about to turn 32. Big game was 30. Perkins would turn 30 two days after the finals. Not exactly spring chickens. Still not close to more talent than MJ had. And that’s really the only team you have to argue at this point. The others are straight laughable.
Yep. You can’t stand his BLM stance. He’s done a hell of a lot. Built a gotdamn school for one. But hate him cause he is trying to be vocal about a cause that doesn’t have to do w slinging shoes and making money.
@IUfanBorden fwiw, I like you Borden. You’re a good poster and a good man. This back and forth is all w an ounce of salt, bud. 
Yea man probably got rings with 55 diamonds on it for that one. That’s got to be a record, as much as you are enamored with it and bring it up.
I can’t really speak for dude, but hell I’ll try anyways.
If you have a problem with any athletes BLM stance than you have probably quit watching sports bc everyone has the same stance.
Im no fan of lebron either, and I’ve felt that way long before the last six months. I don’t think he is some terrible person, but that doesn’t mean I have to be a fanboy.
I laughed. I concede MJ is the GOAT. Bron would need another ring to have this discussion w a little more seriousness. Saying that, I think Bron is the greatest basketball player of all time, and Jordan is the best winner of all time. The specimen that is Bron is one of a kind. But, one day there will be someone better. If you believe MJ will never be topped, then you probably don’t believe in evolution. Winking
Yea I agree. I basically said the same thing earlier in the thread regarding Lebron probably being the better overall basketball player (rebounding, passing, blocking shots,) but Jordan had that unmatched will to win (which oddly enough sparked dudes “where was his will to win without pippen and 55 wins spital)
I wasn’t a Jordan fan either, I’m just calling it like I’m seeing it. I don’t really have an NBA team. I just like seeing some variety though and I really hate knowing who is gonna be in the finals before the season even starts like it was with GS-CLEVELAND a few years in a row before lebron left for LA.
I wasn’t a Jordan fan either, I’m just calling it like I’m seeing it. I don’t really have an NBA team. I just like seeing some variety though and I really hate knowing who is gonna be in the finals before the season even starts like it was with GS-CLEVELAND a few years in a row before lebron left for LA.
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