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Imagine Heat does pull off this upset against Bucks somehow. This will change the Celtics from a heavy underdog in ECF, to a favorite team to win the Eastern Conference. Kinda reminds me of when VCU upset KU in 2011, and then Brad Stevens and his Butler players knew they were bound for another trip to the title game. Will history repeat itself?
The Heat are every bit as good as the Celtics. Not sure the Celtics have anyone who could match up with Bam.
This. Bam is one of my favorite post players in the nba. Great size, speed, and handles for a big guy. Very versatile forward/center.
If the Bucks lose in this round, Giannis is out of there. Could see him teaming up with Steph and Klay on Golden State
That’d be wild. Especially all the younger guys who got to play this year and get better.
It really is amazing how good he became. And not just that, but the type of player he became. Literally NO ONE say that coming when he was at Kentucky. If I remember correctly, he was comfortably behind Fox and Monk in terms of draft rankings.
People questioned his size and his shooting. No one ever imagined that he would end up becoming a poor man's Jokic in that he can pretty much run the point from the 5 position. Last night they even had him bringing the ball up court. He still needs to improve his shot, but even that has gotten better.
You are right about the Lakers. They were old, but not as old as I recalled. But yes, who else? when it comes to Portland. The 4 you mentioned are decent players, but none is close to MJs #2 and arguably aren't any better than his #3s or even #4s ( Grant, Rodman, Kukoc, Cartwright)
as for the Suns, also no one close to Pippen, but I like KJ and Chambers. But come on...Bulls were not the underdogs and they won. when underdogs they did not (pre Pippen, for instance).
Have to agree he improved much more than I expected. Figured he could be like a TT for tha Cavs (whic would not be a bad thing) but he has been a much better scorer and passer than I expected.
I don’t think they’d be as deadly as the Durant trio but they’d instantly be the favorite, right?
I’d say so. Two elite shooters and playmakers and adding Giannis in the post would be crazy. Add to the fact they have a lot of depth.
Not to nitpick but is Klay really a playmaker? Is this being done with a trade or FA (which I believe is in 2021)? If I'm looking at it correctly, especially with possibility cap comes down, might be tough as Curry, Klay and Green alone will take them right up to the cap. I think Dallas might be a better bet.
I will give you no one was as good as Pip but he is a top 50 player of all times and few teams have a #2 that's his caliber. But it is crazy to say that Porter, Cliff, Duckworth and Kersey weren't as good as the Bulls #3. I'm a big-time Bulls fan from the '90s and I will tell you that you are way off.
Porter, Cliff, Duck and Kersey were solid players. None were stars. Rodman is a HOFer. Grant also solid (maybe an all star, cannot recall). Kucok a very good player (and fit for them), and Harper an excellent defender.
and that Pippen guy as you mentioned is a top 50 player. That matters....as MJ had no success without Pippen. None.
Curious as a Bull fan what you make of the constant ridicule by MJ and others toward Kraus? Clearly, he's a far better GM than MJ ever has been.
It’s laughable how much people overlook Scottie. Dude was capable of winning nearly 60 games on his own. I firmly believe a title team could have been built around Scottie.
Until Kobe and Shaq teamed up, Pip was the best “second guy” ever.
Until Kobe and Shaq teamed up, Pip was the best “second guy” ever.
agree, he is so overlooked for reasons you gave but that last comment is debatable. stockton or Malone could make a case. Curry. Duncan or Robinson.
They’d probably have to get rid of Wiggins (unless they already have lol I have no idea) and Draymond and a draft pick. I think Klay can be a play maker but if nothing he’s a sharpshooter that has the ability to create his own shot.
Pip is one of my all-time favorite players so I agree about him, but lets be honest, Rodman was a specialty player. He was really good at his specialty but still no different than Paxton, Kerr, or Hodges were specialty three points shooters.
I hated Kraus for breaking up the Bulls, I don't hate him so much now after watching the documentary. But the guy wanted to be in the spotlight, he wanted credit for building those Bulls teams. He wanted to be just as popular as Jordan and Phil instead of just staying in the background and collect his millions for building the most popular team in the world at the time.
"any day of the week"? Not sure about that. Stockton among best PGs of all time and all-time leader in assists...not a bad scorer himself. Not on Pippen's class on D, but he's serviceable.
so you are think they'd be acquiring him in a deal? It's possible, but think if they put him on the market the Bucks could get a much better package elsewhere.
Klay a sharpshooter and definitely a plus defender. Can he create his own shot? Maybe, but I've also seen him get a number of shots in a game and barely as many dribbles as me.
Maybe idk, I need to research this more regarding his free agency. GS would have
to clear some cap space to get
Giannis regardless.
Fairly certain Giannis not a FA until after 20-21 season. Dallas could get him without clearing cap space if they wanted I think. Or would not have much to clear.
Kinda what I figured. Will be interesting to see
What trades are made next year.
Stockton is one of the most overrated players in NBA history IMO. Malone was a beast.
Sure, Stockton wasn’t a bad a scorer, but he wasn’t good. In the Jazz’s best years he was averaging 14 while not being an elite defender. He was a super ball dominant point guard, and had a long career, which made his assists numbers so high.
To be clear, I still think he’s top 50 all time. But I’d take Curry, Magic, Robertson, Isiah Thomas for sure. Chris Paul and Steve Nash too. I’d have him 7th in the point guard rankings. That’s probably a hot take but I also think Karl Malone was just really good.
Shaq is better than Malone and Kobe is better than Stockton. Duncan is an all timer for sure, but Robinson isn’t in the same league as Shaq/Kobe.
Durant/Curry came after Shaq/Kobe, so that doesn’t apply to “until Shaq/Kobe.”
Shaq couldn't guard the pick and roll.
Never cared to.
Malone and Stockton would eat him up.
As great as Shaq was he wouldn't fit in today's game
Malone and Stockton could play in any era
Watch those playoff series again.
Never cared to.
Malone and Stockton would eat him up.
As great as Shaq was he wouldn't fit in today's game
Malone and Stockton could play in any era
Watch those playoff series again.
Going to get even more so...
Pat Riley may have been on something back in the day with the point center.
Jokic is that guy.
Just image Shaq chasing Jokic around. Jokic is a big boy
I lived in Southern California at that time. Was finishing my USMC career at El Toro and ended up staying out there for awhile.
Shaq was frustrating to watch at times. Those Utah vs LA Lakers series were clinics. I was involved in a lot of basketball camps out there and watched those games multiple times because of how well the Utah Jazz played.
They even gave the Bulls some trouble.
The Basketball IQ on that team was unbelievably high.
Karl Malone has said. His two favorite players to play against were Shaq and Charles Barkley because neither wanted to guard the pick and roll.
Even late in the fourth quarter
Shaq was too busy trying to enforce his will on Greg Ostertag and the rest of their goofy centers.
Pat Riley may have been on something back in the day with the point center.
Jokic is that guy.
Just image Shaq chasing Jokic around. Jokic is a big boy
I lived in Southern California at that time. Was finishing my USMC career at El Toro and ended up staying out there for awhile.
Shaq was frustrating to watch at times. Those Utah vs LA Lakers series were clinics. I was involved in a lot of basketball camps out there and watched those games multiple times because of how well the Utah Jazz played.
They even gave the Bulls some trouble.
The Basketball IQ on that team was unbelievably high.
Karl Malone has said. His two favorite players to play against were Shaq and Charles Barkley because neither wanted to guard the pick and roll.
Even late in the fourth quarter
Shaq was too busy trying to enforce his will on Greg Ostertag and the rest of their goofy centers.
Told people this and I would take this to my grave.
Shaq wasn't anywhere close to the player Kareem was.
Kareem would have Shaq all twisted up. Just like Hakeem did. Even Tim Duncan did.
Kareem could play today because his game had versatility.
Would play at a very high level. Would love to see him play in today's game
Shaq wasn't anywhere close to the player Kareem was.
Kareem would have Shaq all twisted up. Just like Hakeem did. Even Tim Duncan did.
Kareem could play today because his game had versatility.
Would play at a very high level. Would love to see him play in today's game
This. Pip was better than any player on any of those teams not named Magic. And he was MJ's #2. Tom Chamber, lol, sucked that year. He was 12/5 and in Israel like a year or two later. The Bulls were loaded. Grant left Chicago to be one of the top paid players in the NBA. Got crazy money. Toni Kuckoc was pretty good, too. The argument that ANY team had more talent against the Bulls is laughable, but that's what happens with the MJ crowd. Such a surly bunch when you knock on MJ at all. Funny.
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