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LeBron Declares Himself GOAT
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You do you man. You might change someone's opinion, one day.
Imagine being on a forum making up things that don't happen to try and make white people look evil for how they treat black people.
If he was interested in changing minds he would be taking his beef elsewhere, not to a forum where no one takes him serious.
My wife has a Facebook "friend" that rabbles all the time about politics. Yesterday she showed me a post where she said something to the effect of, 'American History X came out 20 years ago and it is more relevant today than ever.'
If it weren't for these white liberals, those poor black folks would never know how much worse things are for them today.
If it weren't for these white liberals, those poor black folks would never know how much worse things are for them today.
More intellectual cowardice: can't be specific or deep, so you go vague and wide and hope the stacked board likes it.
No one likes you so you go to crying about a stacked board Laughing
oh, poor you, Dattier.
1, do you think she is wrong?
2, in many ways, it's not worse.
3, they already knew.
No one is crying about the same thing you're perfectly willing to brag about.
Back to the original point about being the greatest, I don’t know. He’s arguably one of the best, and anyone who gets to watch him play is lucky.
Same could be said for Jordan, Magic, and Bird.
What Magic and Bird did during their time in the nba paved the way for what we see now.
Same could be said for Jordan, Magic, and Bird.
What Magic and Bird did during their time in the nba paved the way for what we see now.
Agree. They set the stage for Jordan.
It's not arguable that LBJ isn't one of the best.
I think LBJ is a pretty easy call over Bird as greatest SF of all time, and Bird's a pretty easy call for 2nd best SF ever. Dr. J or KD for 3rd is a tough call.
So if I am to get this correct, you can’t be a Duke fan if you haven’t got any of those checked off above?
i don't know if LBJ is better than MJ. that's really comes down to opinion. i know his track record in NBA finals doesn't hold up, but then again his just getting to as many as he has with as many different kinds of clubs does hold up.
i know my opinion is that if you replaced both players to both situations i think lebron gets 6 with chi town. i doubt MJ does as much with what lebron has had. so in my minds eye i probably would put lebron every bit MJs equal and clearly wouldn't have any problem with the guy himself thinking he is better than MJ ever was.
i know my opinion is that if you replaced both players to both situations i think lebron gets 6 with chi town. i doubt MJ does as much with what lebron has had. so in my minds eye i probably would put lebron every bit MJs equal and clearly wouldn't have any problem with the guy himself thinking he is better than MJ ever was.
Jordan did play some PG in his career and was quite good at it when he did.
All I was wondering is what I asked. Seemed to me to be a real stretch the way you laid it down in your original point.
Where did I say that? I believe I said "LeBron is arguably the most versatile player in the history of any one sport."
Perhaps. The rest isn't a stretch at all. All the hit-dogs-yelping confirms that for me.
Meh...Jordan's desire to win was unrivaled. One of the biggest difference's to me, is Michael demanded the best from his teammates. LeBron demanded better teammates, i.e. super teams, etc, etc..Nothing wrong with either. Just to me, one speaks louder than the other. LeBron made the decision to jump around. SHopping for rings IMO. Jordan held the course s Chicago built mostly through the draft. I understand MJ had a better supporting cast, for the most part...But lets not forget, LeBron had Bosh and Wade, at Miami. That's as good of a trio than Mike had while in Chitown. Not to mention that MJ won titles in an era where centers were centers, and played huge roles. Jordan had Bill Cartwright and Will Perdue. I know, I know...Scottie Pippen/Dennis Rodman. But Wade and Bosh....I mean, that's a solid 1/2 counter. I'm not so sure you can argue MJ doesn't win the titles he won, with the talent LeBron had. I mean you substitute MJ for LeBron, in Miami---with Bosh and Wade? Goodness. Put him on a team Irving, Love and Thompson? Yeah---he's winning.
Speaking of NBA finals track record. MJ went to 6. WON 6. Never went past a Game 6. Had he not retired, its conceivable the Bulls could have won 7, 8 or 9 straight. James has gotten there frequently. And that's impressive. He's also lost frequently...That is not.
IMO, biggest difference was MJ's desire to win. To push guys. Demanded it. To me, that's what sets MJ apart. Dude was just an assassin.
Jordan's style arguably destroyed Kwame Brown at a time when Jordan's own play didn't warrant that level of influence. There's a difference between a leader who motivates with fear and one who brings out the best in others.
There's a reason Christian Laettner is the consensus greatest Duke player ever yet hardly ever any Duke fan's favorite...
I think that's one of the most overrated points in Jordan's favor. Kevin Ollie was perfect in FF appearances, too.
to me that's overrated BS talk. desire to win, competitive nature...yada, yada, yada. all of the all time greats have a similar drive. it's splitting hairs.
if you put MJ on any of the teams LBJ has had to face the current Warriors and the results are the same. maybe even worse. the fact that lberon beat the 73 win warrior team with cleveland is a testament on overcoming stacked odds. if that's not a desire to win, then what is!?
It sucks that Golden State has been so loaded. Jordan never had to deal with a team as good as Golden State has been.
.Some guys could handle MJ...some couldn't. There are tons of former temmates who hated Jordan, but respected the hell out of him. As Horace Grant said---"If you wasn't mentally strong, Jordan was going to embarrass you. I hate that. But I will say, it made me mad as hell. I wasn't going to get embarrassed". In other words, his approach worked.
I'd take Jordan's push, desire, etc, etc..over any player. You could put his will into an average player, and they would win games for you.
I agree, which says to me that while Jordan's style of leadership can be successful, it may still be optional, and frankly, I think it's one devoid of empathy and presents less of a personal challenge to employ.
Nah. I think that's a rationalization of Jordan's inflexibility. On the court, his legacy rightly includes the fact that he'd do whatever it took to win (a good kind of inflexibility- accepting nothing less). In the lockerroom, that was missing, and as long as we're splitting hairs, it shouldn't be glossed over.
Lebron meant a lot more to his team than Jordan did to those Bulls teams.
2009-2010 Cavs = 61-21
2010-2011 Cavs = 19-63
1992-1993 Bulls = 57-25
1993-1994 Bulls = 55-27
Every team Lebron has gone to has improved dramatically and he is absolutely the #1 reason why. Every team Lebron has left has gotten much worse and he is absolutely the #1 reason why.
Your argument makes it sound like Jordan meant a lot more to winning games for his teams than Lebron did when there is nothing out there to support that.
lots of points to be made. on teammates. lebron won titles with bosh and wade. a couple in fact. he did what was expected of an all-time great. on teammates...he's really had none in cleveland other than kyrie, and he did what? won a title against the best regular season NBA team in history (GSW 73 wins).
on super teams...the bulls were one. if you don't think so, put down the pipe. scottie, dennis and michael? GTFOH who cares how they got there. they were unbelievably stacked and had great surrounding talent as well. one of them is coaching a dynasty right now in oakland.
these things are all splitting hairs. the best thing to do is do as i did. ask yourself, personally, what would you expect MJ to do with what lebron has had and vice versa. check all this compettivive nature BS at the door. you have to be competitive to be as great an anthlte as the world has ever seen, in as good of shape as anybody in the nba at 34 years old and that is what lebron james is.
That sounds purty, but I think it's meaningless conjecture, kind of like what knockoutgame said.
Jordan's talent and results allowed him to get away w/ some pretty negative personality traits. That is as it should be in select situations, but it should not be a reason to glorify the latter.
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