John Beilein gone to Cleveland
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yeah...that would really suck to coach 2 years and be paid for 5.
Have to admit of all the CBB coaches names I've heard for the NBA last few years he'd be my first choice. Always like guys who show they can do more with less.
Ignore a FO of a team that played in 4 Finals and won 1 with an owner who wont spare any expense?
Ignoring that it took drafting one of the 3 best basketball players to ever live (at #1 overall), a heavy dose of hometown guilt, and 13 years to get that championship, let’s look at some other numbers.
5 top 5 picks in the last 10 years, including Anthony Bennett and Dion Waiters.
5 coaches in the last 10 years
And the unquantifiable embarrassment of Comic Sans letter.
Who said ignore it? Takes some luck for anyone to win a title. And even after writing that embarrassing letter, Lebron chose to play for Gilbert AGAIN.
Know why? He knew he'd spare no expense to win a title and lived up to his promise.
Honestly, if LeBron wasn’t from Ohio, do you think there is a chance in hell that he would have gone back?
For a guy who has made millions upon millions, money probably isn't the motivating factor here. Michigan's AD basically said as much.
For a guy who LOVES and is PASSIONATE about basketball, and has himself a phenomenal situation and has had tremendous success at Michigan, it is definitely a gamble.
Best example I can think of: Fred Hoiberg. He thought the NBA was the right move, but he soon realized he hated the NBA life and being in Chicago. And now he lost his dream college job, coaching at his alma mater at Iowa State where he is basically a god. We'll see how Nebraska works out for him.
Nope. But he is and he did.....I also think even being from Ohio if he didn't believe Gilbert would spend he would not have come back. Might have stayed in Miami if, like Gilbert, Arison showed he'd spare no expense.
That's fine, but Gilbert being the guy in charge is not a negative as this could happen on any team. And better to succeed when the guy writing the checks spares no expense on players.
Possible was the guys dream to try out the NBA and/or just got tired of the NCAA and what's going on.
that's because you don't get to just pick the best players in the NBA. Beilein has shown he can do more with less in college, while if anything Cal and K have done less with more lately.
Agree with this but there’s also a point to make of managing egos that can go a long way.
Question to Mich fans. I know UM has deep pockets, but how much would Mich pay to keep Beilein in place? B-ball has never been the priority but it’s not an afterthought either, would they ever make a b-ball coach highest paid in the game or close to it?
ISU will fire Prohm as soon as they have an excuse to and Hoiberg will be right back in Ames. I don't know that he hated the NBA life, but the NBA sure hated him. We will see how his college longevity is, as he admittedly hates recruiting. I could see him going back to the executive side of the NBA.
UM doesn't treat bball second fiddle anymore, money is no object for um. Beilein was never super demanding money wise, he could have gotten whatever he wanted.
I've already read a few UM slanted articles that list Billy Donovan, Jay Wright, and Brad Stevens as "potential candidates". RollLaugh
Close. It was actually written for my 13 year-old dyslexic nephew. It benefited him greatly, to be honest. And I figured this material was right down your alley, seeing how you two are at the same developmental level.
Survey of Coaches on who was the cleanest. Against the field Beilein got like half of the votes.
If you ignore that players get better with experience, age, and strength, sure, why not? But here in reality, you can't make that case without doing a really deep dive on how good 18/19 year old players actually are, and not what they are projected to be in the future (which is the basis for both HS rankings and draft prospects). Or maybe just look at some NBA examples. Maybe someone like Collin Sexton. He was a top 10 pick and top 10 recruit, so surely he was tearing up the NBA last year to the tune of... below average in every stat that matters. Huh, imagine that?
You're better than this lazy argument.
Were you not aware Sexton was a rookie last year? Never mind the absurdity of thinking any player who goes for 16+ per game on 40% from 3 are below avg. stats.....for anyone, let alone a rookie.
Were you being serious? If you were, that's embarrassing for you.
Donovan, calipari, pitino right off the top. Jury is out on Stevens. Belien won't last 5 years.
I'm sure most here heard this already, but Pitino was set to take the Michigan job prior to going to Louisville (supposedly Joanne preferred Louisville to Ann Arbor).
Debatable Calipari and Pitino were better coaches in college. Recruiters? Sure. Perhaps they failed (if they did fail) because they don't just get to pick the best players in the NBA?
what makes someone a successful coach in your eyes in the NBA?
Most Tournament wins since 2013
JOHN BEILEIN (18)
John Calipari (18)
Mike Krzyzewski (18)
Roy Williams (18)
Beilein did more with less, your guys did less with more.
and what makes someone a successful NBA HC to you?
You're acting like belien recruited a bunch of scrubs. He regularly had multiple high 4 stars and a 5 star or two on his teams. His run to the championship game last year wasnt very impressive if you look at the teams he played. And it showed when um got absolutely ran off the court by nova. Also the other 2 coaches have each won a championship while belien has none.
My entire point was that Sexton was a rookie, so yes I'm very aware. He's clearly talented, but he crapped the bed in the first half of the season before finishing strong. The point is that we shouldn't expect much production (i.e. winning basketball) from freshmen/rookies (i.e. Sexton) precisely because of their age/experience (regardless of their talent, which is used as a synonym for potential).
And while Sexton finished relatively strong, he still finished below league average in every all in one stat (PER, BPM, RPM, adjusted +/-, WS/48, etc... and despite his good 3 pt%, his TS% and eFG% were significantly worse than literally every team in the NBA) that measures a player's effect on winning basketball games. What's embarrassing is relying on volume stats like it's 1999 and all you have are packs of Topps cards with stale bubblegum. I've seen you post/argue better when it's not the Cavs involved, so I guess your blindness here is just homerism (I'm not so blinded; Fox was a turd in his rookie season, which was expected). But here's an article discussing how Sexton went from "historically bad" to maybe even good after more than half the season, which is more games than an entire NCAA season. Which reinforces my point that the "does less with more" argument ignores a significant factor re: the "more" part of the equation.
Has Beilein ever had 3 guys who could go top 3-5 in the draft on the same team and not won? Ever had multiple 5 star/NBA caliber stud on same team?
I notice you wont answer my question for some reason (a clear sign of the irrational)......do I need to reword it? What makes someone a successful NBA HC in your opinion?
No one said Sexton is or will be a star. But the guy has something that cannot be taught....work ethic. Big knock on him coming in was shooting, especially 3 point shooting and he was well above avg in that category and got better as the year went on. definitely needs to improve on vision and playmaking.
And to compare apples to apples seems more fair to compare Sexton to his fellow rookies, where he was well above avg. as opposed to guys who have played in the league a little longer and are a little older than a 20-year-old guy in year 1. That was comical.
not sure about Petino off top of my head, but tell me who Beilein has coached who compares to AD......Booker.......Cousins........Randle......WCS.......or Towns.
Should I reword my Q you wont answer?
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