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Don't be a phuckin weiner!!! I love watching the back and forth---i just had nothing to add. I sit on the fence of not being able to tolerate families being torn apart and having laws that aren't enforceable. Neither make sense.
Maybe instead of a wall...or after hour security system's sirens, or a new way to protect agaist restraining orders.
“The Holocaust was legal. Slavery was legal. Segregation was legal.
The brave woman who cared for and hid my 6 year-old aunt in an attic in Budapest was a criminal. She broke the law by sheltering Juden.
Legality is not a guide for morality.”
Read this tweet today. Seems a good place for it.
The brave woman who cared for and hid my 6 year-old aunt in an attic in Budapest was a criminal. She broke the law by sheltering Juden.
Legality is not a guide for morality.”
Read this tweet today. Seems a good place for it.
Out of all the emotional outbursts by the liberals here, I don't believe I’ve seen any real solutions to the problem outside of “stop doing it” which obviously isn’t a solution. Maybe I missed them, but I dont recall seeing any.
What’s a solution to the problem? Catch and release? Pray that they actually show up for their court date? Yeah, that’s worked REAL well. I believe it’s something like 80% don’t show up in court. Shocker. So what’s the solution? Remember, these people are BREAKING THE LAW. They’re putting their own children (sometimes not even their own) in harms way. It’s not like they’re model citizens being wrongfully detained...
So what is it? What’s the solution?
What’s a solution to the problem? Catch and release? Pray that they actually show up for their court date? Yeah, that’s worked REAL well. I believe it’s something like 80% don’t show up in court. Shocker. So what’s the solution? Remember, these people are BREAKING THE LAW. They’re putting their own children (sometimes not even their own) in harms way. It’s not like they’re model citizens being wrongfully detained...
So what is it? What’s the solution?
But but he has the powerful pardon powers (zap zap) to release all of these criminal immigrants from these camps! He's set other criminals free and pardon racist Joe Arpaio
CIS actually passed in the Democratic controlled Senate, but Bohener wouldn't take it up in the House.
Can't having Obama looking toooooo good!
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/immigration-reform-passes-senate/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ing-something-on-detained-children/ar-AAyUE7S
Something tells me it wont be received well even though it might be exactly what people are calling for.
Something tells me it wont be received well even though it might be exactly what people are calling for.
100% it won't be received well. Doesn't fit the liberal MSM narrative. All things Trump are bad.
You’ve knocked them all out with one punch. Way to go, champ.
I read that Germany might get rid of tariffs on US automobiles going there. These tariffs worried me as they ultimately drive up end price for consumers but seems like they are being used as leverage... And Germany basically admitted defeat there.
European countries cannot maintain or grow their economies without the US consumer market.
European countries cannot maintain or grow their economies without the US consumer market.
Great move by Trump. I accidentally started a small forest fire behind my parents' house when I was 10. I was able to grab a big super-soaker from the back yard and put it out before it spread among the dry leaves. That was a great move by me.
Trump caves in for being s dickhead, but he wins? Lol. Come on, hail.
Now this would be something to talk about, and to say well done, Teflon Don.
People who would not receive that well are...
A) people who complain about executive orders, and particularly complained about Obama using them to circumvent our laws
B) people who think that the law is the law, and we need to follow the law, even if it means kids get taken from their families
C) people who think that immigrants should have changed what they were doing, or otherwise they should have accepted the consequences
D) people who think Trump was right to have Sessions and Justice actively carry out the law I the way they were doing it
But what is strange is that it seems that most of the people who liked that post are those exact people, so I’m a bit baffled. It seems completely illogical. Shouldn’t they be AGAINST Trump changing his mind about this?
People who will receive that well are...
A) people who feel that this new policy from the Trump executive was immoral
Me, personally? I don’t know... I have a hard time saying “Hey, this guy made a moronic, immoral move, tried to use it as a bargaining chip, and then caved in under public pressure... hey, what a great, smart, heartwarming move!”
Instead, it’s like “Yeah, no shit... don’t be an asshat.” He shouldn’t have pushed that policy in the first place. You don’t get a ton of credit for me just for realizing you did something that was horrible when it was clearly horrible in the first place, and you even made a bunch of people come our and defend it.
Toonces, I think that your comment about some people not receiving this well... well, it didn’t maybe mean what you thought.
I think people should just be happy that kids wont be separated now.......enjoy it for a bit, and then focus on solving the problem of keeping illegals out of the country and improving the process to come into the USA legally.....also being productive citizens.
What would "received well" look like? He was responsible for this policy, blamed it on Democrats, and now stops it. One step back, one step forward. Are we supposed to applaud him now for what could ultimately be but is not yet the undoing of a terrible, stupid thing he did?
This EO is progress and an improvement and a sign that he might actually recognize he is President for all of us, because based on how his base defended the original policy announcement, this shouldn't be a move they endorse.
Not responsible for the policy, he is somewhat responsible for enforcing its teeth. Do you place any blame on who drew the policy up?
Two questions:
1, What was President Obama's greatest accomplishment?
2, How long did you celebrate it?
This is the third thing President Trump has done that I genuinely liked. Considering all the things I've thought were horrible, exactly how much should I celebrate it? Isn't that kind of like posturing after a dunk that cuts your team's deficit to 82-50?
AG Sessions announced the policy, but the buck stops with President Trump. Screw ups by people around him eventually add up to blame he deserves.
If you're referring to the 1996 law, that was not responsible for this specific policy in any way, shape, or form.
I'll answer this. 1a). The economy. 1b). The decision to move on bin Laden's compound.
Celebrate one everytime I look at my 401k. The other for a long time.
I would say bin laden by a mile. Might not have had anything to do with it, but it happened on his watch. I celebrated like a happy hippy
I also think he was a great dad.
For all his faults on racism, he did show enormous amounts of compassion to the disenfranchised.
Just curious. Do you have an answer to #1? I would guess, becoming president.
Just as a note, for people who are interested...
Obama had quite a bit to do with getting Bin Laden. I suggest you read a bit about it... Bob ONeils book, The Operator, discusses it, and they discuss it a bit in No Easy Day, by Mark Owen. There were several different possible approaches to getting Bin Laden, including just obliterating the compound with traditional bombing and hitting it with a drone. The most certain way, but the riskiest, was using JSOC guys to get him... but Obama asked them if they could do it, and they said yes, so he went with them. He was also very clear that they would be no meddling in the process by politicians, and that we would support them no matter what. There was a lot of discussion about what would happen if the guys got caught, pinned at the Bin Laden compound by Pak forces... From The Operator...
“Of course, they (The Pakistanis) probably would have just tried to arrest us. I wasn’t in the meeting, but as our training was nearing an end, I heard that when President Obama was presented with that possibility, he nodded his head and said, “Okay, that’s interesting.” Then he looked at the Air Force chief of staff and said, “What do you need to rain hell on Pakistan—because my guys aren’t surrendering to anybody.”
I was so proud of him. Our guys tend to be extremely conservative politically, but he could have gotten a lot of votes from us that day.”
He was the one who decided we’d go in and get him, he was involved in the lead up, and he gave the go order; that order couldn’t come from anyone but the boss. He was as involved as any President could be.
Owen talks about how involved Obama was, how much he appreciated his announcement of us killing Bin Laden, and how, while he is a dedicated Republican...
“We respected him as the commander in chief of the military and for giving us the green light on the mission.”
I know certain people have this preconceived notion of who Obama is... but when you read about him, people consistently say that he is one of the most disciplined, focused, and ready to make hard decisions guys around.
Btw, another funny episode about it... when they brought Obama’s body out, they were met by Bill McCraven, who was the JSOC commander. Bin Ladens body was lying there, and they checked him against his description as best they could before finally confirming to Obama that they got him.
“The president had asked McRaven to confirm the body was bin Laden’s. The intel guys hadn’t had time to get DNA comparisons yet. McRaven unzipped the bag and took a look. He knew that bin Laden was tall, about 6'4", a respectable altitude for an NBA shooting guard. He decided to measure the body right there, just to make sure it was the correct height. It took a few minutes for us to realize that nobody had a tape measure. McRaven looked around until his gaze settled on a particular guy. “Son, how tall are you?” he asked.
The guy replied, “Well, sir, I’m about six-two.”
“Good,” McRaven said. “Come here. I want you to lie down next to the remains here.”
“I’m sorry, sir. You want me to do what?”
McRaven repeated his request.
The guy stretched out next to the body. Sure enough, he was a couple of inches shorter. When McRaven reported back to Obama, the president said, “Let me get this straight, you can destroy one of my two-hundred-million-dollar helicopters, but you can’t afford a ninety-nine-cent tape measure?” Guy’s pretty funny. I heard he later gave McRaven a plaque with a tape measure on it.”
Guy was funny, with just the right amount of edge.
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Thats a pretty good story. Bin Laden and Hussein were so evil that it made them unhuman. Its never a good thing to celebrate death but that one weighed on zero peoples conscience (hopefully). I don't think Obama was a terrible POTUS or a bad person. I didn't like him much bc he created a bigger problem with healthcare, appointed people to positions based on gender, race, and sexual orientation.....just to create firsts (i get he was trying to break down barriers, but the best person for the job should get it), and he was divisive in his constant talks about racism----not in the same way trump is by any means, but he had an angle and worked it. All these things made him a hero to one contingent, but really turned off half of america......he was too one sided imo.
And I disagree with all of that Obama stuff... but so be it
Yeah, I definitely recommend both books... I LOVE reading about the whole Bin Laden thing. As a New Yorker, I celebrated when he was killed like I'm not sure I've celebrated anything in my life. **** that guy; he deserved to have his head split in half by those bullets.
And thats perfectly fine, but I don't think my opinions on him are outrageous. Healthcare is a wreck right now....directly b/c of the ACA and thats just common knowledge. It can be argued it will still have problems with the old system and that would be correct as well. I guess one could look up all his appointed positions and see just how many firsts there were by coincidence....but that would be boring and probably not prove anybody point. And he sure seemed to inflame race relations on numerous numerous occasions where he took a side without all the info.And I disagree with all of that Obama stuff... but so be it
Yeah, I definitely recommend both books... I LOVE reading about the whole Bin Laden thing. As a New Yorker, I celebrated when he was killed like I'm not sure I've celebrated anything in my life. **** that guy; he deserved to have his head split in half by those bullets.
I don't read a whole bunch but i should make time for it. A lot of those books look soo boring but I'm sure once you get into it they are a good read.
