my first instinct is to moan about the unfairness of the list but my second thought is to say good list...so good list.
Iowa Has The Best Fans. Change My Mind.
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In all of fairness, Iowa has proven the naysayers wrong. I mean, against all odds, they've been able to win 4 NCAA Tournament games this century. Solid.
Fran has won 3 in the last 6 years. plus he has taken his teams 2 3 NIT's and 4 NCAAT in his 9 years,
as for what I was complaining about ia that Patrick was rated #21 5* THEN Bossi stated to justify that high rating he needed to some Elite offer to justify that high ranking and now he is not even in the top 50.
Wieskamp after his summer between his JR and SR did this
rated the #3 SF by the Nike top 100 people
top 10 by the NBPA top 100
top 8 by Adidas after their summer AAU Season was over,
like Patrick he to didn't have that elite offer to justify a better ranking
this happens every year, Jordan couldn't even get into the top 150
and all he did as a FR was record 175+ assists and 85+ made 3's. and was just the 2nd FR to accomplish that feat in the last 25 years
then as a SO he registered 175+ assists and 85+ made 3's to become the only player to have back to back season in the last 25 players,
they all have these things in common
they are from Iowa
they all committed to Fran
as for Nunge when Fran recruited him he was a 6'7/8 185 lb SF and he ended his SR season as a 2 Time Indiana 1st teamer and RUNNEREUP in the voting for the Indiana Mr.BB.
Nunge is now 7'0 245 lbs after a RS season. like I also pointed out as a FR he recorded 15.7 mpg making 5 starts 5.7 ppg good for 5th in scoring 21 steals good for T-3rd, 25 blocks good for 2nd, playing at 215 lbs. and starting at the 3 and 5 Positions.
now after a RS year he is bigger and stronger and will no longer be needed at the 3 as Fran now has these to play the 3
4* top 100 SO 6'6 Wieskamp
4* top 100 FR 6'8 Patrick
Garza is now up to 265 lbs and is fully healthy after playing at 235 lbs while playing during his recovering from surgery, yet he finished 2nd on the team in scoring, recording 144 total rebounds.
Nunge is now 7'0 245 lbs after a RS season. like I also pointed out as a FR he recorded 15.7 mpg making 5 starts 5.7 ppg good for 5th in scoring 21 steals good for T-3rd, 25 blocks good for 2nd, playing at 215 lbs. and starting at the 3 and 5 Positions.
now after a RS year he is bigger and stronger and will no longer be needed at the 3 as Fran now has these to play the 3
4* top 100 SO 6'6 Wieskamp
4* top 100 FR 6'8 Patrick
Garza is now up to 265 lbs and is fully healthy after playing at 235 lbs while playing during his recovering from surgery, yet he finished 2nd on the team in scoring, recording 144 total rebounds.
So the 5th leading scorer on a mediocre Iowa team is one of the best 150 players in the country, which features 350+ teams? Why are you even bringing up Nunge? This isn't a top 150 players in the B1G.
who was the 5th leading scorer as Moss did that and now he is at Kansas.
Garza as a FR did this in 21.7 mpg was 3rd in scoring 1st in blocks with 32 and 2nd in rebounding at 6.4 rpg
then as a SO this is what he did in 23.6 mpg
2nd in scoring @ 13.1 ppg 4.5 rpg 10 steals and 17 blocks all this while playing 6 weeks after having 9 LB Cyst removed from his stomach.
for visual effect
Baby ussually weigh 6-7 lbs and is smaller in size and weight.
lets see some of he men try and even walk let alone run and play BB,
so Yeah Garza is definitely a top 50 player as is Wieskamp.
If Garza was top 50, he'd be a 2nd round draft pick. He's not close to that. Maybe top 50 in the B1G. Not in the country.
Bahahahaha.
Here are all of the teams that have 2 players in my top 50:
Michigan State
Kansas
Duke
Florida
Kentucky
Gonzaga
Maryland
Baylor
Honestly man, if you think Iowa has two top 50 players, you're talking about a team that is in the discussion for being top 10 nationally. No rational person believes this.
Iowa is totally right up there with all those teams....said no one ever.
that's ok the season starts in a month and a half. Garza is fully healthy [of course you he man types could play 100% 6 weeks after major surgery on your stomachs].
Wieskamp was shockingly #42 by rivals.
Garza was a top 100 4* by ESPN and a 4* by Rivals.
Great. So you foresee Iowa as a top 10 team then?
Who are your top 50 college basketball players, btw?
in Fran 9 years these are the players he has developed
unranked 3* Marble 1st Team All BT 2nd rnd NBA pick made his team
unranked 3* White FR AA 1st Team All BT 2nd rnd NBA Draft pick
3* Uthoff by Rivals 4* top 100 by ESPN 1st Team All BT and 2nd Team AA
unranked 3* Jok 1st team All BT
Cook 4* top 40 by ESPN, top 100 by Rival now in the NBA AFTER his JR season 2nd Team All BT
Unranked 3* Jordan by Rival 4* by ESPN 3rd Team All BT.
thats 4 1st Team All BT 1 2nd Team All BT and 1 3rd Team all BT along with these currently playing in the NBA
Marble
Jok
Uthoff
Cook
White turned the Net's down to stay over in Europe,
not bad for a terrible coach who now has 6 4* players by ESPN with 4 in the top 100.
funny how he did so well with unranked 3*'s and 2 maybe 3 4* players in his 1st 6 seasons. now in year 7 that team started 1 SR and 4 FR went 10-8 finished in a T5th and got sent to the NIT
Year 8 they went 4-14 with a overall losing record with no SR leader 3 SO's and 2 FR starters in Garza and Nunge
Year 9 they went 10-10 finishing 6th alone with 23 total wins and wins in the BTT and NCAAT losing as a 10 seed to number 2 seed Tennessee in OT.
Your coach is 4/9 on making the tourney since being at Iowa. And he's batting below .500 in league play. So congrats on sustaining mediocrity.
it was not that long ago that Iowa rated as high has #3 in the polls. in 2015-16 when they had 4 SR starters. Wieskamp is a solid top 50 recruit he proved just how good he was during the AAU Circuit
Patrick after what he did while playing the D1 Minnesota AAU team by starting at the 1-2-3 and 4, while playing the 5 against the smaller lineups. he was also named the MVP of the HS National 3 on 3 and was selected to Team USA 3 on 3 team, on which he started,
D1 AAU coached stated that Patrick was the best players he had ever coached and that team had a 5* and 3 other 4* players on it. that team lost just 1 game.
like I stated he was rated #21 5* then Bossi stated that he needed some elite team to offer him to justify his high ranking.
not getting elite offers cause Iowa commits to drop. this is why Wieskamp never could/did get a higher rating as he committed to Iowa as a SO.
Jok as a FR and SO in HS was rated in the top 5 in the country. the summer before his JR tear he had ligament surgery to shorten them, his JR season suffered,
then as a SR the Elite schools like Duke and Kentucky wanted him to wait so they could see how his knee would hold up. it held up as he led Iowa large schools in scoring and was Iowa's MR BB, as a JR he avg 16 ppg, then as a SR he led the BT in scoring at 19.9 ppg named a BT 1st team All BT.
yet all he got was a unranked 3* ranking. committing to Iowa is the kiss of death to ever getting a decent ranking.
throw out 2 4 BT win season and the winning is different.
those year he only had 2 4* recruits by Rivals to play on those teams.
lets see how the future goes now that he has 5-6 4* players playing this year. the best thing they all return for the 20-21 season IF Jordan RS's.
isn't that what makes up top 10 teams? yes or no its time to put up or shut up.
also there is a very old saying
it takes bigs longer to develop, well guess what Garza is a JR and will be fully healthy. with Cook gone it is his time to shall we say SHINE.
Congrats on the upcoming 23-11 season and 5th place BT finish.
its better than the previous 11 years where Iowa went 3 times with the last 3 years where Iowa avg'd 5 BT wins per season. in fact in those 11 season Iowa had just 3 .500 or BT seasons, Fran to start from scratch rebuilding the team and giving Iowa fans a reason to come back. the fans have come back from avg 5500+ to 13,000 +. Iowa was roaring inferno when he took over,
finally he has also given top players a reason to look at Iowa, that is a very big start,
I get bored doing it but it’s funny to see others battle Gil.
having back to back 23 win seasons would be ok with me knowing that these will return
starter PG Toussaint
starter SG Connor
starter SF Wieskamp
starter PF Nunge
starter C Garza
backup Jordan CG who is RS'ing
backup G Fredrick
backup F Patrick
backup F Pemsl
backup F Till
they only 2 they lose is GT CG Evelyn
F Kriener,
both will be backups this fall they will have 4 SR's on the team
RSSR Jordan
RSSR Pemsl
SR Garza
SR Till
4* F Sibley was on his official visit over the weeked
he did get Cook to choose Iowa over Kansas
Garza chose Iowa over offers from Louiville, Georgetown and others,
going back to top 50 Woodbury he chose Iowa over UNC
Top 100 Gesell chose Iowa over Stanford, now he got NYC 4* Toussaint to choose Iowa.
4* Top 100's Connor and Patrick could have left the state, Weiskamp could play for anyone. but he committed to Fran after his SO season
Foster a instate player that had a offer from Kansas with Duke, Kentucky and Arizona interested till he hurt his foot which required surgery to insert a pin into his foot, then he dropped from 5* to outside the top 50.
getting the younger Ulis [older brother Tyler] played for Kentucky then went on to the NBA. whose Coach has said the younger Ulis is better. as a SO led his team to 26 wins then as a JR led his team to 27 wins his team plays in Chicago @ 6'2 vs his older Brother who was 5'9.
Younger Ulis, ranked above 200, is better? Now playing it fast and loose with better.
not according to the coach who coached both. there is video of those 2 going up against each other and the younger Ulis was outplaying his older brother,
this kinda like Toussaint who was rated the #1 PG in NYC by NYHoops and the #2 player in the state of NY, but is a unranked 3* by Rivals but a grade 80 4* by ESPN, looks like another Jordan type of ranking where Jordan was a unranked 3* by Rival but a 4* by ESPN, and Jordan already proved Rivals is the most biased group when it comes to Iowa kids and commits.
Jordan was Iowa's Mr. BB and Gatorade POY.
Wieskamp was Iowa's Mr. BB and 2 time Gatorade POY in Iowa, the only other play to do that was Barnes who played for UNC and was a 5*.
Ulis was SEC defensive player of the year at like 5'7. If he wasn't a midget and could stay off weed he would have been a top 5 pick. If his brother is half as good as him he'll be a good college player. But you keep up your Rivals hates us that got you banned at least once before.
just stating the truth, EVERY Iowa BB recruits drops every year, it not just one or 2 over the course of several years,
one I can see a 2nd yes but every player every year, don't tell its not about crapping on Iowa's recruiting both in BB and FB.
the youner Ulis is 6'2 and is more of a floor general than Tyler was, he looks to pass 1st score 2nd. he can finish at the rim and is a better defender. his mid range game is very good and he has been working on his 3 point shooting for a year, to round out his scoring,
his devensive ability is what makes him standout, to many only look at how many points players score to rate these players,
his HS coach has Ulis guard the other teams best player even if he 6'7/8.
like they say defense has been what Fran has been lacking, Toussaint is a lockdown defender, Evelyn is a lockdown defender
Fredrick was/is a top defender
Wieskamp was/is a top defender
Fran has gone out and got defensive players and hired a assistant coach specifically to coach defense. although Fran's best adj defensive team was the 2012-13 team that finished 33rd, that group had 2 in the mid 40's with the worst being #75,
this team is getting more athletic and with a more defensive mindset.
don't know don't care its more about how his recruits finish their carreer
4 1st Team All BT Players
1 2nd Team All BT Player
1 3rd Team All BT Player
4 players are in the NBA
1 FR AA
1 2nd Team AA
Star or class ranking doesn't really matter, his best season was a 25 win season that tied for the 2nd most wins in a season, a 23 win season that was 5th best win total
89 total wins by 4 year starters 3rd most in Iowa's history.
back to back 3rd place finishes was in Davis's 1st 2 season's in the late 80's. when Iowa had a Elite 8 finish and a Sweet 16 finish,
this team is more loaded with talent than that team, also from the late 80's to the late 90's Iowa 9-0 in 1st round NCAAT games,
also Fran now sits in 2nd place in all time wins in Iowa's history, 3rd in BT Wins, which Fran will pass this season, then he will need 3 more years to = Davis 13 years as coach of Iowa to catch and pass Davis as the all time winningest coach in Iowa wins in both BT play and overall,
How in the world are you of all people gonna sit here and tell us that star ranking doesn’t matter? You literally put the star ranking for every Iowa player in every post you make and you’re literally the only person in Rivals history to get perma banned for arguing with mods over how many stars Iowa recruits should have.
that is why they don't matter as Iowa players never get a just recruiting rankingHow in the world are you of all people gonna sit here and tell us that star ranking doesn’t matter? You literally put the star ranking for every Iowa player in every post you make and you’re literally the only person in Rivals history to get perma banned for arguing with mods over how many stars Iowa recruits should have.
if you take out the 2 4-14 records the wins loss totals look like this 70 BT wins and 58 BT Losses. the 1st 4-14 season came on the heels of 3 straight seasons of 5-13, 6-12 and 4-14, under Lick.
after Fran took over his 1st 3 seasons went like this 4-14 11-20, 8-10 18-17 and 9-9 25-13 reaching the NIT Championship beating Maryland @ Maryland on their way to that championship game,
not only did he turn the program around nut he also got the fans to come back from only 5000+ to 13,500+, that's how bad it was when Fran took over, he has turned Iowa into a winning program that the best instate player will go to Iowa and is starting to get players like Cook from Missouri, Garza from Washington DC, Toussaint from NY to play at Iowa.
getting players from Chicago from schools like Simeon where they have never got a kid from,
these are recruiting victories that Iowa has not done since Lute, Ravelling and Davis did, Davis also had 2 McDonald AA and 1 1 n done player. the only one to date,
Alford and Lick destroyed the Iowa program, now Fran had to rebuild it from the basement up.
How in the world are you of all people gonna sit here and tell us that star ranking doesn’t matter? You literally put the star ranking for every Iowa player in every post you make and you’re literally the only person in Rivals history to get perma banned for arguing with mods over how many stars Iowa recruits should have.
That’s kind of impressive when you think about how many shit posters use this site
Ulis averaged 17 and 7 his sophomore year. He ain't gonna touch that in 4 years. He's a better defender than SEC defender of the year?
Okay I think I'm done.
I don't give a shit about the other shitty Iowa players so you posting about them doesn't matter. Just discussing Ulis.
Was more of a NBA problem but I'm pretty sure I heard stuff about it at UK too. But he was incredible so zfg.
Why are you arguing with Gilligan?
The guy has an idea set in his head and doesn't care about the facts as he will make the facts
The guy has an idea set in his head and doesn't care about the facts as he will make the facts
I disagree with that
If we were going Top 50 draft prospects that list would look totally different.
You really think Winston is anywhere close to being the #1 player drafted let alone a first round pick.
This is Top 150 college basketball players without including the ceiling a player has
He used Garza's draft stock to say that he isn't a Top 50 college player
Garza is a guy destined to play in Europe because of his size and ability to shoot but his value by the NBA doesn't determine his placement on this list
I am not trying to agree with what Gilligan is saying about Garza.
He isn't a Top 50 player right now.
But this list isn't based on NBA ceiling.
You have future Top 15 picks in the 2020 NBA draft not even listed
Fantastic. And where did Iowa finish? Try 25th.
Here are some other facts:
- 2016 was the only year under Fran's tenure where Iowa finished in the top 25 (and finished at #25)
- Fran has never made it to the second weekend of the tournament
- Iowa is the 8th best Big Ten program this decade
- Iowa hasn't had a season with single-digit losses since 2006
- The 4 NBA player you mentioned have combined to play less than 60 games in the league.
Iowa isn't a dumpster-fire program. But please, try pumping the brakes a little. You have serious tunnel vision.
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