I think the NCAA has been neutered and won't do anything.
Good for KU, UL and all the other schools. Let's compete.
IMO Missouri and Kansas would fit the Big 10 perfect
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Good for KU, UL and all the other schools. Let's compete.
But an independent panel is working KU's case. Which is why I don't get why people keep bringing up past NCAA rulings.
It'll be interesting to see how NIL affects all of this. Things that were impermissable a few years ago aren't now.
I think KU probably gets a decent punishment, but I think the chance of a postseason ban is fairly low.
KU basketball has brought more revenue to the Big XII than all programs(regardless of sport) other than Texas and OU football. So, when UT and OU leave that would make KU basketball the most lucrative program in the Big XII, regardless of sport. Football may “fill the coffers”, but elite basketball programs produce more revenue by far, than mediocre football programs, and ISU is mediocre in everything.
You can stop talking like you’ve got some lucrative athletic department. Your basketball program is average and your football program until only a couple of years ago was one of the only legit options KU had for a conference win without pulling off a monumental upset. And we all know that if your head coach were to leave, you’d be right there again in a hurry.
Regarding “cheating”, let’s be real. It isn’t for lack of trying on ISU’s part. The reality is that even if you were cheating, it’s difficult to convince young, mostly black, athletes to move to the middle of nowhere, 99% white, rural Iowa. Other places have more money to offer and more entertainment options other than the annual tractor pull.
BS…Football brings more revenue than basketball and the numbers are not even close. The Bowl game revenue and the conference championship game dwarf NCAA basketball $$$.
Bowl game payouts are anywhere from $250k to a little over $8 million depending on the bowl. Additional if you’re a playoff team.
NCAA tournament payouts are $2 million per game played. So technically KU earned the conference $12 million with this run. KU has averaged an Elite Eight under Self, meaning we earn the conference $8 million or so on average every year. When it comes to bonus revenue, KU has earned more revenue for the conference than even UT football over the last 10 years. I only give them the edge because they bring in more tv money, but KU basketball is a brand that brings more credit to tv contracts than most football programs, considering our basketball ratings have been as high or higher than most football games that don’t involve OU/UT, and we play a great deal more games.
You can bluster about it all you want, but KU basketball earns the conference more revenue than ISU Football and basketball combined. Football is king, but the top basketball programs are very lucrative, much more so than middling football programs like ISU.
This is bluster. KU has won the NCAA 4 times. Start counting the money Alabama has made in the last 10 years in football and it is bigger than Kansas in all sports for the last 100 years.
Please we need some reason here.
Also, do you really believe that KU's tv money is better than UK's?
You need to read what I said.
I very clearly said football is king. I said elite basketball programs earn more revenue than most football programs. I explicitly said that KU basketball earns less conference revenue than OU or Texas football, so of course it is obvious that I include Alabama football in that. I was discussing within the context of the Big XII.
Is KU’s TV money greater than Kentucky’s? Not likely. But your question is irrelevant. I wasn’t discussing Kentucky. Where did I ever mention Kentucky? I was discussing with an ISU fan and within the context of the Big XII and in comparison to ISU and/or average football programs. The SEC or Bama or Kentucky were never mentioned in any of my posts. Honestly I’m confused about what you are even responding to.
The NCAA tourney pays out as follows:
Game=unit=$338K per in 2022
Units breakdown as follows:
KU - 6 units
Tech - 3 units
ISU - 3 units
Texas - 2 units
TCU - 2 units
Baylor - 2 units
18 units = $6.1M and is paid out for 6 years = $36M
Just from the 2021 Bowls, the B12 payout was $83M
The B12 Football Championship Game is not figured in at all.
KU hasn’t been to a bowl in many years so there is no football contribution.
KU did contribute nearly $10M over the next 6 years with there title win.
As you can see, your statement on basketball is absurd.
Trust me, Chief...nothing that you have to say is hard to grasp. Although it might be hard to read.
More than $12,198,000 over 6 years from KU alone. Each unit is worth $2,033,000 over 6 years. 6 * 2,033,000 = $12,198,000. And they’re doing that shit every year. Some years 3 units($6 million) other years more. On average it’s an elite eight for KU, which is around $8 million added to that pot every year. And it will only get bigger as the NCAA loses relevance and releases its stranglehold on tourney money. The tourney makes nearly a billion dollars every year but the NCAA doles out only about 25% of it. Most agree that will change in the near future.
Iowa State earned $3 million for the conference with its cheez it bowl appearance.
In your $83 million number you are including guaranteed money handed out to the conferences by the college football playoff revenue distribution plan, which is handed out regardless of participation and certainly had nothing to do with ISU.
So yes, on the average, KU basketball is more lucrative than ISU football, especially historically since you guys were awful before Campbell and will be awful again when he leaves.
And anyway, KU will be contributing in football soon enough. We will finally be back in a bowl game within 2 years. An outside shot this year.
Ok, then $12M that gets generated over 6 years on a run to the title. ISU generates $6M in basketball if you want to play that game, but Don’t be ignorant on your ISU football info. ISU played in the Cheez it Bowl against Clemson this last season, and played Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl the year before. Take a guess what those two games generated. ISU has generated significantly more for the B12 than KU over the last decade that your statement is a joke.
No. ISU generated $3 million with the Cheez it bowl. $6 million with your tourney run. That’s $9 million. KU generated $3 million more with our title run than your football and basketball teams combined.
Your Fiesta Bowl generated $4 million. So congratulations, if you add that together ISU generated a meager $802,000 more with BOTH bowl games AND your tourney run combined than KU did with our title win. But then again KU did earn $4 million last year in the tourney last year in what was a bad year by our standards. So technically over the last 2 years KU has out earned ISU by more than $3 million, and this is probably the best two year run in ISU history.
And yet you want to try to claim that ISU outearned KU over the last 10 years? Are you crazy or just really bad at math? Most of the last ten years, other than the two we already analyzed, are years where your football team sucked and your basketball team never made a deep run. KU made 3 final fours and two title game appearances as well as 7 elite eights in that timeframe. ISU most definitely has NOT outearned KU over the last ten years. It hasn’t even been remotely close. And once the NCAA starts paying out more than 25% of tourney revenues, it will get even worse for your argument.
ISU played in the 2020 B12 Championship game as well, and how much revenue did that generate for the conference? ISU has been in 5 bowl games in a row, and KU has been in ZIP. You are fighting a losing battle because football has been and always will be the revenue king. KU is the worst P5 football team, so they better do something about it.
Rutgers/Maryland brings way more to the table then KU/MU
What do you bring to the table besides basketball prestige? And that’s only KU, MU brings nothing
Missouri is by far the best football program of all of them and KU is by far the best basketball program.
Rutgers and Maryland (Rutgers especially) bring nothing to the table. Maryland is fine. If realignment was happening today, Rutgers wouldn’t have been added.
They both bring way more money with the TV deal and both have extremely fertile recruiting grounds in all sports. And that’s exactly what the B1G wanted. More money on the TV deal and the ability to recruit the DMV and NY/NJ area.
How is Missouri by far the best program in football, it’s an average ass program. Shit Maryland is the only one out of the 4 with a national championship. MU brings nothing to the table. KU is a blue blood in basketball, but that’s it. I’d take KU in the B1G, but the KU/MU contingent doesn’t bring more to the table.
Missouri's an average program but being in the SEC makes them look more average. The rest are below average.
Lol
it’s a good thing ISU made the B12 Championship Game instead of, say, Oregon State. It would’ve sucked to see that money go to the PAC. We got lucky there.
Get a football team with a pulse before you try and talk smack. Basketball is great but it is a 2nd class citizen to football.
Whether my football team is great, good, mediocre, or poor doesn’t change the fact that the point you made was world-class moronic.
The big XII championship happens every year regardless of whether ISU is playing in it. That is not additional revenue. If you had not played in it, somebody else would have. That’s like saying KU made the conference money by winning the big XII tournament.
Congrats on your bowl games. KU earned far more tourney revenue than any of your bowl games and we did that shit every single year.
Jesus. Quit talking like ISU is some football powerhouse. KU has more conference wins against ISU than any other conference opponent. And we lead the overall series. Until a couple years ago your program was dogshit, and it will be again in a hurry when Campbell is gone. Even as bad as KU has been, we still tend to recruit better than ISU. You struck gold with finding a coach who can find overlooked players and develop guys to their max. How long will he be at ISU? As is, you guys didn’t live up to expectations last year and you lost a ton of talent from a 7-6 team. How good will you really be next year? Anyway, KU finally got our coach so get your digs in while you can.
I never said squat about ISU until you brought it up as a defense mechanism. The conversation was all about KU as you were making false claims about KU, and I set you straight. You apparently didn’t like the corrected narrative, so you attempted to disparage ISU without having a clue about what you were stating.
If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!
What is moronic is the KU football team and 25k attendance at game. Your fellow poster made ridiculous claims about KU’s revenue impact to the B12. He/she was quickly corrected on his ignorance, and you Jayhawks fans didn’t like it. TOO BAD!
As I said, you made a world-class moronic point.
Just own and you have a chance to regain a sliver of credibility.
Or don’t. As evidenced by your post/like ratio, nobody gives a shit.
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Credibility to you? Now that’s comical. Some KU fans sure have an inflated sense of worth in the scheme of athletics. What will be your narrative if/when that post season ban comes down? Will you beat your chests over a 2 win football season? No, You will scream that the most penalized program in NCAA history is being treated unfairly.
I am not the least bit concerned about what you think about my credibility
It’s hilarious that you conflate personal credibility with how one’s team performs.
That pretty much sums up why you have none.
To be honest I am not the least bit concerned about any post season sanctions. Kansas has handled this as well as anyone could. Everyone else received a ban, reductions and/or fired their coach.
Our coach received a deserved lifetime contract and won a natty and is positioned to be best coach in college basketball (has been for awhile).
We have the right football coach and he will get us to competitive.
You act like one post season ban is going to do something to our program lol. It’s one of the most lucrative athletic programs and is far more valuable than your entire athletic department. Then watch what happens financially when Lance makes us a 5-7 win team on the regular.
I corrected baseless claims made by KU fans with factual data. You seem to struggle with the common sense aspect of that and try to switch the narrative. Like I posted before. I could care less what you think of my credibility.
Then why do you keep defending yourself (by trying to distract from your stupid point)?
Ahh yes, playing 10 games and a committee places the best looking teams to play for a title.
I'd have loved that for KU Hoops in the late 90s to early 00s..
insert infinite eye rollage
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