So the program run by Pelini was equal to Tom Osborne’s?
And…nobody does that in modern basketball. Can’t even compare the two.
IMO Missouri and Kansas would fit the Big 10 perfect
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And…nobody does that in modern basketball. Can’t even compare the two.
Perhaps we should go back to 2003 And not blow up the big east.
No one said pelini did that. Kentucky basketball came pretty damn close to winning 3 straight titles in the 90s.
And even that was a very different era than now. Great players stuck around for 3-4 years.
I think the sports are just different. One player can completely change a basketball team at times. Talent is also much more spread in basketball. While football right now you have 4-5 schools hoarding an insane amount of talent. Alabama football for example has 4-5 first round draft picks every season and 10-12 picks overall. Yet they still come back stacked each year going on 15 years now.
IMO, the best solution would be to make football separate from the rest of the athletic department when it comes to realignment. Let football form their super leagues while the other sports go back to regional conferences.
Football likely generates more money that way while the department saves money on traveling costs. Seems like a win/win in my book.
In an ideal world yes. The SEC and big 10 won’t be for this. Honestly both the SEC and big 10 are still somewhat regionalized. It’s the big 12 and ACC that have gotten stretched as a means to keep up.
A few decades. Don’t worry about it. Perhaps you’ve never watched college football.
I guess you missed the part about entering the Big 10 with Pelini instead of Osborne and no top 10 teams for a decade.
Btw, I just remembered that lowly KU dropped 76 pts on Nebraska a few years before they went to the Big 10.
Oh, the intimidation!
Oh, the intimidation!
KU finally hired the right guy. Give it time. KU will never be a football juggernaut but they will be respectable on the gridiron soon.
There were no direct dealings in the texts comparable to how there was with other coaches. And the two guys who were discussed “indirectly” ended up going elsewhere. Though I suppose those guys turned down all that adidas money in favor of those Nike schools because those schools just had a good basketball culture and they chose to play for the “joy of the game” instead. But hey, DUKE investigates themselves so they’re obviously clean. But that’s the point here. The NCAA knows what really happened and they know how dirty basically all major programs have been for years. It’s kind of pointless to bring the hammer down hard on KU for doing something that they know everybody was doing and for what is basically legal now.
All of which is irrelevant, because at the end of the day, the evidence against KU is indirect and involves players that didn’t play for KU and one guy who did play but was cleared by the NCAA themselves.
Yeah, KU has had some trouble with the NCAA in the past. Headquarters was in Kansas City and KState and Mizzou guys made sure every rumor made its way to the headquarters right down the road(many of them worked there too). In the era before the internet and mass communication, it was a lot easier to investigate the many rumors that come across your desk about that school 30 miles away than it was to fly across the country about a random rumor from some school in California. We would have been far less likely to get caught had the NCAA been headquartered on the coast. The fact that even KSU and Mizzou had more basketball infractions than UCLA pre-1981 is evidence enough of that.
Meh, those are basically Helms titles. They didn’t even have a playoff.
Haha- you obviously haven’t read the NCAA findings.. KU at most will lose some Scillies and maybe a Final Four.. Self won’t miss a beat..
A year on the sidelines watching postseason basketball is what I have been told.
I'm done...you still done get it. And I don't have the time or energy to explain it to you. Later dude.
Bwahahaha…
Because there’s nothing to get, clown. There was nothing intimidating about Nebraska at the point when they joined the Big 10.
While true, their fans’ attitude was hysterical. They would have dominated the lowly Big Ten anyway due to how much worse our football was, and once they got that sweet payout from the league they were just gonna reinvest and dominate even more!
Meanwhile, they’re the only team in the Big Ten to not make a bowl once in the last five years… lmao.
what youve been told---or just read rumors on the internet like the rest of us?
Does it really matter? We are all going to find out very soon. Whatever it is, it won’t be too devastating to the most penalized program in NCAA history.
Nebraska dominated when they had a superior coach and a roster filled with roided up midwestern kids running a power offense that they executed flawlessly with repitition thanks to aforementioned head coach.
Nebraska never recruited at a super high level. Lincoln is kind of an isolated college town without much surrounding talent. They did well thanks to a dominating system that was perfected over time. After Osbourne they were respectable if not great, as they’d get a lot of decent to good Texas talent after Texas and Oklahoma were done choosing who they wanted. That went out the window after they left the Big XII and they kind of were left without a recruiting identity. They may have been able to keep competitive if they hadn’t fired Pelini, as they would have been a much tougher program. But as KU has shown, a bad hire can hurt your program. Two and three bad hires in a row can absolutely wreck it. They simply started their fall from a higher place. The only way to turn it around now is with an old ball coach who stresses fundamentals and discipline and with an AD that has the patience to wait for the results.
Regardless, I’m not so sure we ever see another stretch of dominance again like mid-90s Nebraska. Offenses have become too explosive, leaving more room for upsets. It’s hard to just perfect a system and max out execution and overpower good teams. Alabama has been dominant for a while now, but not to the same extent not in such a dominating fashion, because even if they are the best team, they will face other teams that are extremely talented and run aggressive offenses with great athletes in open space, leaving room for an upset. In Nebraska’s day all they had to do is perfect their offensive system and play gap sound defense with good athletes and that made them unstoppable. That just isn’t the case anymore.
Yeah, I can imagine what their fans were like. I was just saying that it's idiotic to compare Pelini's Nebraska to Self's program. Instead of admitting that he was trolling, he decided to double down on the idiocy.
There was no reason whatsoever to think that Pelini/Nebraska would own the Big 10, but there is reason to think that Self could. He's completely owned a very good league. The only seasons, outside of his first year, that he didn't win were due to a depleted roster and one year in which he just had a huge talent disadvantage (still finished 2nd).
He was off to a nice start at Illinois, winning the regular season title twice and the tournament championship in his third year. As you know.
No, I don't think he'd win 14 straight or anything crazy like that, but he'd win plenty.
Get good at something like really good, and you’ll get penalized too. Unfortunately for you, ISU has never been successful enough at anything to garner the attention of the NCAA. I feel for you.
Nebraska has been snake bit by coaching hires. Look at Michigan. A couple bad hires and you get 15 years of losing.
Are they though. For a lot of recruits Nebraska is a program that was above average when they were kids and below average ever since they were 10. I don’t think they have the pull you think they do.
No they aren’t. They are becoming an afterthought. I was having a discussion with my 15 year old and her comment was Neb has always been a doormat. When I told her that Neb was a dominant program back in the 90s, she just commented that was well before her time and they have done nothing for years.
Army was a strong program in the 40s, so I guess the point is….things change
KU fans feel for them. We had 4 in a row. We might have been able to recover if we hired somebody decent after Gill, but we got Weis instead. And he completely jacked it up with his 20+ JUCO recruiting class which caused a scholarship situation that we’ve been 8 years crawling out of.
I've heard that Iowa St fans became very salty about this championship. This guy fits the bill. 😆
LOL!! It brings cash to the B12 and KU needs to bring something. Football fills the coffers, and that has been a nonstarter in Lawrence for many years. It is common knowledge that KU will do anything to win in basketball, so you have to take the bad with the good. One year ban won’t kill you guys, so don’t fret.
For sure. What would KU have done without that guy who barely played and then transferred, or that guy who never played, or that guy who played for Duke instead? It's just hard to fathom where they'd be right now without those guys. 😆
You can admit that you're salty, my friend. It's okay.
Yeah, there are only a handful of programs in any sport that can rebound near instantly from a truly bad hire. A bad AD, who is allowed to make multiple hires, can legitimately wreck your program's image for a lifetime. Illini football wasn't amazing or anything in the 1980s, but the stadium (70k+) was packed every week, there was high-level talent and we were learning how to be competitive again ... and then bad hires have turned Illini football into a program most kids don't give a second thought to, lol:
1980s: 63-48 (.568), 5 bowls (1 BCS), 1 Big Ten championship
1990s: 50-63 (.442), 5 bowls (0 BCS), 1 Big Ten championship
2000s: 45-73 (.381), 2 bowls (2 BCS ... lol), 1 Big Ten championship
2010s: 46-78 (.371), 4 bowls (0 BCS), 0 Big Ten championships
Nobody remembers that now (much less the literally legendary names that have played at Illinois, going back to George Halas, Red Grange, Dick Butkus, etc.) because we have been such an after-thought for generations, lol ... but there is literally no reason it should have been that way. Simply a bad AD making bad hires a couple of times in a row. We'll see how "fargone" Nebraska is ... I expect not too much, as their fan support has remained remarkably good.
Here's the thing...if you're going to pretend like the NCAA investigates fairly and catches everything, then you have to base your opinions on what is known.
And what we know is that none of those players gave KU anything, other than a slight contribution by De Sousa in 1 or 2 tourney games.
Seems pretty dumb to rant about it endlessly, especially when they just won a title with the lowest-rated group of players to ever win a championship.
What the NCAA doesn’t do, is penalize equitably across institutions. That is the real reason that KU may catch a break with a slap on the wrist. The running joke is when KU, or KY, or UNC gets caught, Cleveland State better watch out because the penalties will be harsh.
Don’t try and play the victim card here because every other fanbase will laugh you off the board.
And yet....you're guaranteeing a postseason ban. You're all over the place. 😆
Not sure how I'm playing the victim card. I leave that to people like you. You poor guys would probably have dominated the Big 12 if that shyster Bill hadn't landed Silvio De Sousa!
Oh, I believe that KU is going to get a postseason ban, because it is deserved. But NCAA inconsistency is also a reality.
So you're 100% certain that there will be a postseason ban, but the NCAA's inconsistent, so there might not be.
Got it.
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