Just saying......and if you think the Big 10 wants anything to do with State, go ask in the Big 10 thread.
IMO Missouri and Kansas would fit the Big 10 perfect
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Just saying......and if you think the Big 10 wants anything to do with State, go ask in the Big 10 thread.
LOL!! Administrators make decisions, not fans. Do you think Iowa would vote for a B10 invite for ISU?
Yeah, unfortunately the teams I would think are best as a fan are rarely the realistic contenders. I think ISU would be a perfect fit in that regard, but they simply don't bring enough to the table to redistribute among 15 (and likely 16) teams and make everyone's payout bigger ... probably end of story right there, unfortunately.
Also, as a side bar, I don't think people think about potential enough here and only focus on who brings what to the table right now/lately. Rutgers and Illinois currently have bad football ticket sales and meh-to-bad viewership numbers (also affected by always getting your 11:00 am BTN games, of course), but that hasn't always been the case, and it is not always guaranteed to be the case - the Big Ten sees value in these programs for what they COULD (and have before) bring to the table. For example, in 2006 and 2007, respectively, Rutgers and Illinois broke college football viewership records in their respective biggest markets (NYC and Chicago). I can tell you as someone who lives in Chicago that Illini fans SWARM out of the woodworks when we are good at something again, and that is not true for the other fan bases in this market, including Notre Dame.
Iowa State is impressive, honestly, but I think we are also seeing them at or near their ceiling. ISU fans are loyal, engaged and energetic, but their ratings are stuck at "very good" and they aren't a draw in any huge markets. Again, a team like Rutgers can have awful attendance, low revenues AND (currently) bad TV ratings ... and still provide the Big Ten (1) several matchups in the NYC metro for other teams' fans to show up (Michigan, PSU, etc.), (2) regular free recruiting publicity in a massive market and (3) incredible potential if/when they become competitive again (as seen by the TV ratings in 2006). I'm no conference commissioner, but we all know this is about money ... and money is driven by academics (funding), markets and what I'll call "bandwagon revenue" (ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc. from big-time programs that are national brands or really good right now). ISU is kind of an anti-Illinois/Rutgers, in that they are incredibly solid and impressive but on a mid-sized scale ... their floor isn't going to drop, and their ceiling isn't that much higher.
With all that said, I'd selfishly welcome their addition purely as a spectator!
We own the state. No need to add another Iowa team. The Big 10 is maxing out viewership with the Hawks
Let me educate you on this one. The vote would be an emphatic “yes”. Just use some common sense and you will quickly understand why.
Anyone would be a fool to leave the SEC. Even if it were for the Big Ten. They make way too much money.
KU would have a Big Ten invite if there was just one other school that was equally appealing. Unfortunately there's no one even close, so we are left to wait until the inevitable blow up, which may be another decade away.
KU would have a Big Ten invite if there was just one other school that was equally appealing. Unfortunately there's no one even close, so we are left to wait until the inevitable blow up, which may be another decade away.
KU is actually about to be decent in football. Nothing crazy but will be a competitive team.
KU basketball makes more money than a lot of football programs. No doubt football is the king but looking into the future basketball is going to much more valuable than it currently is. People also don’t realize how many people watch Kansas basketball.
KU/MU would be fun in the big ten but Mizzou won’t leave. Big ten should have offered both awhile back instead of Rutgers / Maryland. More people play live there but the sports suck.
Kansas would own the big ten.
Basketball games would be a lot of fun versus Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa etc.
Some rivalries could easily be developed. KU football would be more competitive in that league especially with Leipold.
Big Ten could use a legit blue blood in basketball.
KU basketball makes more money than a lot of football programs. No doubt football is the king but looking into the future basketball is going to much more valuable than it currently is. People also don’t realize how many people watch Kansas basketball.
KU/MU would be fun in the big ten but Mizzou won’t leave. Big ten should have offered both awhile back instead of Rutgers / Maryland. More people play live there but the sports suck.
Kansas would own the big ten.
Basketball games would be a lot of fun versus Ohio State, Michigan State, Michigan, Illinois, Iowa etc.
Some rivalries could easily be developed. KU football would be more competitive in that league especially with Leipold.
Big Ten could use a legit blue blood in basketball.
Not one chance. The NCAA does not have the balls to do anything to Kansas, Duke or North Carolina. They, NCAA, are big wusses.
We are going to see very soon. I bet the penalties are announced before summer. The NCAA will let KU bask in the glow of the national title before they hit them.
Why in hell would Texas, Oklahoma (future), Texas A&M, Missouri and Arkansas want to leave the best football conference in the United States to add their weight to a worthless Midwest conference?
It is a good idea but that ship sailed 50 years ago.
I vaguely remember hearing these exact words circa 2010/2011 when Nebraska joined the B1G and how they’d own the conference in football. No one would have a chance against the Mighty Huskers.
I gave a big laugh at this post.
You still have faith in the NCAA. I am an old man and I have seen just how damned crooked the NCAA is.
They are mafia.
An independent panel is working the case.
You always leave Kentucky out of that group. Why?
Don’t get confused here Bert. aTm, Mizzou, and Neb left because of Texas. Texas is a very destructive force and I am ready for them to be gone yesterday. They jeopardize the stability of whatever conference they are in.
Pretty much everyone involved with the fbi thing has either taken a voluntary 1 year ban or gotten one given. I bet Kansas has the same and all goes away
The big 12 didn’t have enough programs that could pull financial weight to keep Texas in check though besides tamu and Oklahoma for the longest time. Everyone also views tamu as just paranoid about Texas and doesn’t pay attention to them. With the new additions the SEC will now have 12 of the top 25 highest valued football programs in the country. 3 more from SEC are in top 35. Vandy being only school lower.
of the current top 25
sec - 12
Big ten - 7
Pac 12 - 3
ACC - 2
Big 12-0
Independent - notre dame - 1
Of course the SEC has 12 of 14 in that group. The conference payouts push them into the group. The same applies to the B10. Let’s see what happens over the next few years. The B12 has a few programs that are capable of moving up, and if the P12 doesn’t change their ways, they will move out of that group.
Its 12 of 16 based on Texas and Oklahoma. It’s 10 right now without them. I don’t see USC as a program from the pac12 ever moving out of that group. To much history for them. fSU and Clemson could have some issues though
It is why USC reached out to the B10 recently. The P12 has to do something different. They are on the clock every bit as much as the B12. The difference being the B12 is acting.
Pac12 is reaching out to the big ten to prevent the big 10 from taking from them. if the big ten really wanted to. They could add usc and like Oregon and just cleanup with a new financial deal. I am not sure what the big 10’s end game is though. Are they concerned with staying with the SEC financially?
Not really. Husker football was more respected and WAY more intimidating then Kansas hoops but you get the idea.
The B10 has a relationship with the P12 that they won’t violate. The fact that the flagship P12 school reached out is problematic on several levels.
I mean if you were in USC’s position wouldn’t you be doing the same? I will agree that the big 12 did make moves while the pac12 and ACC seem to be behind but those conferences still do have some big brand names. I am not sure I see a next move out there right now for anyone though. Notre dame joining the ACC or the big 10 taking someone is only two options and I don’t believe either of those things are imminent. Perhaps the big 12 and pac 12 merging I guess. Thus nothing else gets ball rolling. At least until people see what the payouts the SEC schools start getting after 2025. That will probably open some eyes
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You have no memory do you? They fried UK over a fictious $1,000. (Proven in court to never have existed.) Three years probation.
If that were the case at Kansas they would give them 100 years probation or more.
Geeze give me a break.
That is kind of the point. How long will some of the historically strong programs look over the fence as the SEC grabs all the attention? That includes programs from every other conference not named SEC. The other conferences have to act or you may eventually see an FSU, Clemson, and even an OSU, entertain overtures from the SEC. It was the whole reason for the quick move of the alliance, but that will fade without action. I could see more consolidation into four 18-20 team conferences. Something will have to be done.
Nebraska football and Kansas Basektball are nothing alike and neither are the situations.
Nebraska was a declining program that didn’t even own the big 12
FSU and Clemson while historically strong though are relatively poor compared to other football powers. I am not sure they can afford to pay to get out of the ACC right now and the sec doesn’t seem to the want to take them as top options since we already have florida and South Carolina. Ohio st. Is obviously a no brainer if they inquired. The ACC is trying like hell to get notre dame but what other move do they have? Besides big 12 schools?
True…a program that hadn’t fielded a top 10 team in a decade must have been much more intimidating than a perennial top 10 program with the most tourney wins this century.
But neither compares to the intimidation factor of mighty Illinois. Lord Almighty!
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Kansas basketball never had a stretch like nebraska football in the 90s did. 3 national titles in 4 years. Played for 2 others right around then as well
FSU was invited in 1991 the year South Carolina joined. They turned it down for the ACC. I don't think Bowden (imo) wanted to try and compete in the SEC and still retain FSU's national prominence. I think it would have taken a hit.
I guess you didn’t notice that KU has the most NCAA infractions, even though it’s a pretty common topic on these boards.
But you’re right that the NCAA has no intentions of taking down its Nike cash cows. Hence, looking the other way at Kentucky players named in the FBI probe and Hagans’ lil shoebox, while hammering Memphis and Umass.
As far as I’m concerned, Missouri and Kansas would be a perfect fit with their fellow former Big 8 members!
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