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If Anyone but Trump Were Elected POTUS

I don't disagree, but his speech is a product of his culture and identity. We expect people to adhere to the rules of grammar, but the message is more important. You understand what he's saying perfectly fine and would rather attack how he says it.
If you are using your social "platform" to attack others on being uneducated, all the while butchering grammar left and right....why in gods name should anyone listen to you? Just b/c I agree with some of the things he said doesn't mean I should just let everything fly. Is it a product of his culture and identity or is a product of not learning basic english and grammar?
 
If you are using your social "platform" to attack others on being uneducated, all the while butchering grammar left and right....why in gods name should anyone listen to you? Just b/c I agree with some of the things he said doesn't mean I should just let everything fly. Is it a product of his culture and identity or is a product of not learning basic english and grammar?
It’s a product of not aksing the right questions.
 
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I don't disagree, but his speech is a product of his culture and identity. We expect people to adhere to the rules of grammar, but the message is more important. You understand what he's saying perfectly fine and would rather attack how he says it.
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How do you differentiate the two?
I guess it is harder and harder to differentiate nowadays. But I don't like identity politics so that's why I pick on the libs. I can bash the NRA or the evangelicals with the next guy, but they aren't in my face like the ridiculousness from the left is.
 
I think it would be baffling if the president of our country didn't stand up for the flag and national anthem. The media sources made sure they talked about it each and every minute they could...why wouldn't the president of our country weigh in on our national anthem and respecting the flag---both time honored things that a handful of people decided to try and make into something they aren't. You forgot to answer who brought race into the national anthem?
Race is already a part of anything unless you're silencing people whose race has been a relevant factor in their experience.

The President should have more class and intelligence than to weigh in on a divisive social issue like this as anything other than a peacemaker.
 
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Race is already a part of anything unless you're silencing people whose race has been a relevant factor in their experience.

The President should have more class and intelligence than to weigh in on a divisive social issue like this as anything other than a peacemaker.
If I had a son
 
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Race is already a part of anything unless you're silencing people whose race has been a relevant factor in their experience.

The President should have more class and intelligence than to weigh in on a divisive social issue like this as anything other than a peacemaker.
Where have I heard this before concerning a past president?
 
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There is so much funny out there and these pathetic losers choose to waste their careers obsessing over politics. Sad.

Unrelated. Did you see LeBron on Don Lemon last night? Credit where credit is due, he didn't only talk about politics. I think it is great what he is doing for at risk children in the inner city. But he made the comment that Trump is using sports to racially divide the country. I mean who better to talk about racially dividing the country than someone who lied about being a victim of racism?
Yeah man. He bitches about Trump dividing the country and then turns around and says there isn’t any way he would sit down with Trump. Way to go Lebron, you just confirmed that you have zero desire in trying to unify the divide. Great role model there.
 
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Race is already a part of anything unless you're silencing people whose race has been a relevant factor in their experience.

The President should have more class and intelligence than to weigh in on a divisive social issue like this as anything other than a peacemaker.

Neither should having people do something as simple as being respectful to the flag and observe our national anthem appropriately....but here we are

He pushed the narrative that an incident involving two people of different ethnicities had to be motivated by race. He assumed every similar incident was motivated by race. That is divisive.

Regardless of who any of us voted for, I tend to think that even though Trump's personal behavior can make some republicans cringe, I think he has rattled the cage enough to get both sides of our divided country's attention, and get some action/discussion going, rather than pacifying one group and ignoring the other. At least BOTH sides are passionate now rather than feeling apathetic or defeated. Both parties stand at attention now over issues.
 
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Yeah man. He bitches about Trump dividing the country and then turns around and says there isn’t any way he would sit down with Trump. Way to go Lebron, you just confirmed that you have zero desire in trying to unify the divide. Great role model there.
It's not Lebron's job to unify the country. Trump is a racist, a cheater, and a liar. Why would anyone want to sit down with him?

The title of President doesn't earn you my respect. It earns you my hope that you better the country. Thus far, he's failed to better next to everything.
 
He pushed the narrative that an incident involving two people of different ethnicities had to be motivated by race. He assumed every similar incident was motivated by race. That is divisive.
That narrative didn't need any pushing. It was there already. He validated black people's concerns that it was about race and tried to communicate that to white people. You dismiss that it was about race out of hand, and you're projecting your closed-mindedness onto him.
 
The country will not be united until we have a socialist President, where we have all things in common and we're all treated (and compensated) as equals.
 
It's not Lebron's job to unify the country. Trump is a racist, a cheater, and a liar. Why would anyone want to sit down with him?

The title of President doesn't earn you my respect. It earns you my hope that you better the country. Thus far, he's failed to better next to everything.
I'm actually a fan of money.
 
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I'm actually a fan of money.
Then you must be really rich because Trump's cuts aren't saving you any of it. You're exactly the target demographic that Tax Cut was done for. You see more money on one stub of paper 2x each month and don't realize the other places you're spending more.
 
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Neither should having people do something as simple as being respectful to the flag and observe our national anthem appropriately....but here we are
The flag and national anthem representing our country are perfect objects for expressing criticism of that same nation.

Getting outraged about the flag requires willfully ignoring the clearly stated, often clarified reasons behind the thoughtful, principled, respectfully modified protest.
 
Then you must be really rich because Trump's cuts aren't saving you any of it. You're exactly the target demographic that Tax Cut was done for. You see more money on one stub of paper 2x each month and don't realize the other places you're spending more.
I make more money when others are making more money. Plus I get paid 5x a month. Winking
 
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The flag and national anthem representing our country are perfect objects for expressing criticism of that same nation.

Getting outraged about the flag requires willfully ignoring the clearly stated, often clarified reasons behind the thoughtful, principled, respectfully modified protest.
Choosing a time that has been honored and reserved for saluting those who fought for our country and freedom---for your own personal agenda will never fly. The time has been spoken for and its been proven time and time again....that its not up for grabs.

How is this hard for people to wrap their head around. Its not a time for anyones agenda.
 
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Yeah man. He bitches about Trump dividing the country and then turns around and says there isn’t any way he would sit down with Trump. Way to go Lebron, you just confirmed that you have zero desire in trying to unify the divide. Great role model there.
Since when have you watched CNN?

You're kind of pulling the people-who-don't-tolerate-the-intolerant-are-also-intolerant card. It's not the same thing.

Would you sit down with someone who has given you every reason to believe they're trash and who is responsible for throwing the ugliest cannon fodder and who is completely unrepentant?
 
Choosing a time that has been honored and reserved for saluting those who fought for our country and freedom---for your own personal agenda will never fly. The time has been spoken for and its been proven time and time again....that its not up for grabs.
It's not the military's song. It belongs to all of us. Using a sporting event -- every one, practically -- to promote the country or/and our military is already a political statement.

Oh, it flies. It might take a few years, but history corrects that mistake. Ask Tommie Smith and John Carlos.
 
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It's not the military's song. It belongs to all of us. Using a sporting event -- every one, practically -- to promote the country or/and our military is already a political statement.
You can spin it any which way you want....what it means to you, what these things stand for, if its a military thing, or a political thing, or just basic respect and observance for our rights and those that helped provide them. The ONE constant is this time is spoken for.

Its the same reason people send off nasty stares when idiots are acting a fool while its playing, its why your dad or grandpa reminds you to take your cap off, its why its played after winning an olympic medal, its why its played at military funerals, its why you learn in grade school how important it is to take care of the flag pole......the list is never ending.
 
It's not the military's song. It belongs to all of us. Using a sporting event -- every one, practically -- to promote the country or/and our military is already a political statement.

This is 100% correct. As a veteran (In only invoke my veteran card in discussions in which it's already breached), it's borderline offensive that people are so quick to defend symbolism rather than the ideals behind it. The phrase "I do not agree with what you have to say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it" applies here. Patriotism, like love, is best understood as an action verb.
 
That narrative didn't need any pushing. It was there already. He validated black people's concerns that it was about race and tried to communicate that to white people. You dismiss that it was about race out of hand, and you're projecting your closed-mindedness onto him.
Out of hand? It has been 6 years. I assumed it was about race when it was a new story. I am a little rusty on the facts, but I remember the racial allegations being driven by the 911 call that was edited to make it appear Zimmerman was volunteering the fact that Martin was black. But ABC admitted that they "accidentally" edited out the part where the dispatcher asked him what the suspect's race was. Once it was assumed that race played a role, there was no turning back. Maybe there are facts that I am not aware of that prove it was motivated by race. But I know there were never any formal charges related to it being race related.

I think Zimmerman should have been convicted of manslaughter for the simple fact that he ignored requests to stay in his vehicle and chose to confront Martin instead. But there is nothing to suggest that race was the motivation other than the fact that it was two people of different ethnicities.

Maybe Martin attacked Zimmerman because he was Hispanic? Perhaps he was a victim of racism. We weren't there, we can only assume.
 
True, but to be fair,Obama deserved it.
And Trump doesn't? He has done more to deserve it than any other pres in recent history. We are in a 10 year run of the economy going up and he thinks he deserves all the credit. If he would just stay off that f*cking twitter account he might get more things done. He can't hide from what he did in the past, it will find him over and over again so he might as well just own it. Just shut the f*ck up and do the job already.
 
You can spin it any which way you want....what it means to you, what these things stand for, if its a military thing, or a political thing, or just basic respect and observance for our rights and those that helped provide them. The ONE constant is this time is spoken for.

Its the same reason people send off nasty stares when idiots are acting a fool while its playing, its why your dad or grandpa reminds you to take your cap off, its why its played after winning an olympic medal, its why its played at military funerals, its why you learn in grade school how important it is to take care of the flag pole......the list is never ending.
I likes this random quote.

"The national anthem is less than 2 minutes long, and that means these social justice warriors have approximately 23 hours and 58 minutes left in the day to bring awareness to whatever societal oppression they feel."

- some guy


However, an Eagles player made a comment on NBC nightly news last week that did make sense. But only when it comes to the shut up and play crowd. He said the NFL is a platform for awareness of many issues. Breast cancer, domestic violence and others, why not use it to bring awareness to race issues and injustices?

I am all for it, but do it in a different way.
 
And Trump doesn't? He has done more to deserve it than any other pres in recent history. We are in a 10 year run of the economy going up and he thinks he deserves all the credit. If he would just stay off that f*cking twitter account he might get more things done. He can't hide from what he did in the past, it will find him over and over again so he might as well just own it. Just shut the f*ck up and do the job already.
Damn son. Why so serious?
 
I likes this random quote.

"The national anthem is less than 2 minutes long, and that means these social justice warriors have approximately 23 hours and 58 minutes left in the day to bring awareness to whatever societal oppression they feel."

- some guy


However, an Eagles player made a comment on NBC nightly news last week that did make sense. But only when it comes to the shut up and play crowd. He said the NFL is a platform for awareness of many issues. Breast cancer, domestic violence and others, why not use it to bring awareness to race issues and injustices?

I am all for it, but do it in a different way.
And that is what blows my mind. Instead of using the appropriate channels and actually bringing awareness to the cause via their platform....they chose the way that would cause so much interference that nobody gave a shit about the universally worthy cause. What it did was create negative sentiment that was unnecessary. Very poor leadership imo
 
And that is what blows my mind. Instead of using the appropriate channels and actually bringing awareness to the cause via their platform....they chose the way that would cause so much interference that nobody gave a shit about the universally worthy cause. What it did was create negative sentiment that was unnecessary. Very poor leadership imo
And instead of saying, this isn't being received well by a lot of people. Now that we have their attention, let's find a way to bring awareness that doesn't divide people, instead brings them together. They say, wow look at all the racists that see our protest as disrespectful. Oh well, fck em, we're going to do it anyways.
 
Is he dividing the country thru sport? Or is he standing up for the anthem and all the years it has been respected? He didn't make the anthem about race.....who did? Who actually introduced race into the anthem?
Not sure, but ya gotta love the hard stance by Jerry Jones on this issue, huh?

It's OK to beat and mistreat women, among other felonies, but don't you dare take a knee during a song.
 
Not sure, but ya gotta love the hard stance by Jerry Jones on this issue, huh?

It's OK to beat and mistreat women, among other felonies, but don't you dare take a knee during a song.
Valid point. I don't think anyone who beats women should have a job making millions of dollars. Especially a job that is more of a privilege.

How do you feel about Dak Prescott being called an uncle tom for saying he doesn't believe that the protests are in the right time or place?
 
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