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How champs fare the following year

jhmossy

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Since Florida won the national championship two years in a row in 2006 and 2007, not one defending champion starting with the 2008 Gators has made it to the Elite 8 the following year and only four of the last 12 defending champs have even made it to the Sweet 16 the following year. Crazy.

Here's how each team fared in its title defense.

2008 Florida -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2009 Kansas -- Sweet 16 loss to Michigan St.
2010 UNC -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2011 Duke -- Sweet 16 loss to Arizona
2012 UConn -- Second round loss to Iowa State
2013 Kentucky -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2014 Louisville -- Sweet 16 loss to Kentucky
2015 UConn -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2016 Duke -- Sweet 16 loss to Oregon
2017 Villanova -- Second round loss to Wisconsin
2018 UNC -- Second round loss to Texas A&M
2019 Villanova -- Second round loss to Purdue
 
Since Florida won the national championship two years in a row in 2006 and 2007, not one defending champion starting with the 2008 Gators has made it to the Elite 8 the following year and only four of the last 12 defending champs have even made it to the Sweet 16 the following year. Crazy.

Here's how each team fared in its title defense.

2008 Florida -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2009 Kansas -- Sweet 16 loss to Michigan St.
2010 UNC -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2011 Duke -- Sweet 16 loss to Arizona
2012 UConn -- Second round loss to Iowa State
2013 Kentucky -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2014 Louisville -- Sweet 16 loss to Kentucky
2015 UConn -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2016 Duke -- Sweet 16 loss to Oregon
2017 Villanova -- Second round loss to Wisconsin
2018 UNC -- Second round loss to Texas A&M
2019 Villanova -- Second round loss to Purdue
Ok. So will UVA repeat. They will be getting the Hauser twins from Marquette.
 
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Ok. So will UVA repeat. They will be getting the Hauser twins from Marquette.

Even if we do (which I doubt we do), they'd both have sit out a year unless they got a hardship waiver somehow. Don't see that happening.
 
Even if we do (which I doubt we do), they'd both have sit out a year unless they got a hardship waiver somehow. Don't see that happening.
NCAA more lenient with transfers. Almost all are eligible.
 
Since Florida won the national championship two years in a row in 2006 and 2007, not one defending champion starting with the 2008 Gators has made it to the Elite 8 the following year and only four of the last 12 defending champs have even made it to the Sweet 16 the following year. Crazy.

Here's how each team fared in its title defense.

2008 Florida -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2009 Kansas -- Sweet 16 loss to Michigan St.
2010 UNC -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2011 Duke -- Sweet 16 loss to Arizona
2012 UConn -- Second round loss to Iowa State
2013 Kentucky -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2014 Louisville -- Sweet 16 loss to Kentucky
2015 UConn -- Didn't make the NCAA Tournament
2016 Duke -- Sweet 16 loss to Oregon
2017 Villanova -- Second round loss to Wisconsin
2018 UNC -- Second round loss to Texas A&M
2019 Villanova -- Second round loss to Purdue
Completely worth it, but with success comes exodus.

Everyone everywhere would trade a title for 5 years of suckness.
 
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That is better than being a 1 seed and losing to a 16 seed.

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Spoken like a true hero.
 
Even if we do (which I doubt we do), they'd both have sit out a year unless they got a hardship waiver somehow. Don't see that happening.
I thought I read somewhere that the older brother will be a grad transfer. I didn’t think grad transfers had to sit out a year unless they transfer within the conference they were already on and that conference requires them to sit out a year or the conference waives the sit out for a year rule for them.
 
Par(1b) sect 109.7 states if 2 siblings attend same /different schools, said youngest sibling has same transfer rights as older said siblings.
109.33 states youngest said sibling birth date must be after 4/03/1995
 
I thought I read somewhere that the older brother will be a grad transfer. I didn’t think grad transfers had to sit out a year unless they transfer within the conference they were already on and that conference requires them to sit out a year or the conference waives the sit out for a year rule for them.

I don't think Sam would be a grad transfer. Obviously, I could be wrong but everything I've read said he would not be one.
 
Cuse made it to the Sweet 16 in '04. This is interesting, to me, because the perception of that '03 team is probably that it was Carmelo doing all the work. Cuse returned everyone except Melo and Duaney, with basically no contributing recruits coming in. After losing a generational talent and a starting Senior SG/SF, Cuse went to the S16. Pretty good.

Nowadays, there's no way Hakim Warrick would have returned for '04.
 
NCAA more lenient with transfers. Almost all are eligible.

Hard to see the NCAA granting a hardship waiver for someone to move much further away from home. And I'm not really sure where you get the "almost all are eligible" comment from. That's far from the case.
 
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Hard to see the NCAA granting a hardship waiver for someone to move much further away from home. And I'm not really sure where you get the "almost all are eligible" comment from. That's far from the case.
There has been a relaxing of the transfer rules:

Last year, a high-profile overhaul of NCAA transfer rules stopped short of creating free agency in college sports.

A much quieter change, however, helped quarterback Shea Patterson play for Michigan and will determine whether Justin Fields is eligible this fall at Ohio State. The modification to the waiver process can be seen as something of a compromise that has cleared the way for more athletes to switch schools and play right away.

"The membership wanted to put immediate eligibility back on the table," said Dave Schnase, the NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs. "And so whether that resulted in a high approval rate, I don't think membership knew. They just wanted to put that back on the table. And then the circumstances of each individual case would essentially dictate the approval rate."

Immediate eligibility for all transfers was considered, but ultimately not included in the NCAA's well-publicized reformation last year. New rules no longer require athletes to request permission from a school to transfer, just provide notification. Then the athlete's name is entered into an NCAA-run database, the so-called transfer portal that notifies other schools the athlete can be recruited.

The new legislation, however, did not change the waiver guidelines. That modification was approved by the NCAA Division I Council in April , with few outside the process noticing.

Before the change, immediate eligibility for an undergraduate transfer could be granted only when a school could show extremely egregious behavior by the previous school. Otherwise, the most NCAA officials could grant was an additional year of eligibility, tacked on at the end of a college career.

A request for immediate eligibility can now be granted if the transfer was due to "documented mitigating circumstances that are outside the student-athlete's control and directly impact the health, safety and well-being of the student-athlete."

There is a lot of wiggle room in there for discussion.

Patterson's was the first well-known case to go through under the new guidelines. He transferred to Michigan after Mississippi was hit by NCAA sanctions.

Patterson was granted eligibility for the 2018 season in late April , and several of his former Ole Miss teammates later had their waivers approved. Other cases drew attention, too, including receiver Demetris Robertson being allowed to play immediately after transferring from California to Georgia. Running back Antonio Williams was granted immediate eligibility after transferring from Ohio State to North Carolina.

Attorney Tom Mars worked with Michigan on Patterson's waiver and now is helping Fields, the former five-star recruit who has transferred from Georgia to Ohio State. Mars said the waiver change so far seems to have been a positive step by the NCAA.

"By enacting a new rule that allows such allegations to be described as mitigating circumstances instead of egregious behavior, the NCAA has encouraged member institutions to settle these matters without the student-athlete's previous school having to admit to any wrongdoing," Mars said. "Over time, this more collaborative approach to addressing waiver requests is likely to result in more positive outcomes for student-athletes. What's more, the new rule's endorsement of cooperation between the two schools will undoubtedly result in speedier decisions by the NCAA staff."

Citing student privacy laws, the NCAA and schools do not publicly explain waiver decisions.

The rate of transfer waiver approval from April 1-Nov. 9 was 66 percent across all sports, down from the 2017-18 school year when it was 83 percent. But waivers requested before April 1, 2018, include those requesting an extra year of eligibility, not just immediate eligibility.

Since last year's change, NCAA data for Division I shows:

— 63 football players requested waivers and 50 were approved (79 percent).

— 55 men's basketball players requested waivers and 33 were approved (60 percent).

— 39 women's basketball players requested waivers and 30 were approved (77 percent).

Schnase said more requests for immediate eligibility are being granted, but because each request is different numbers alone won't determine whether the change has been successful.

"We feel like the pendulum has swung back to the right place," Schnase said. "But how we answer that and how anybody answers that depends on the seat that he or she is sitting in. Coaches might feel one way. Presidents and ADs (athletic directors) might feel another. And student-athletes might feel a different way."
 
What’s crazy is Duke has gone to atleast the Sweet 16 after every title execept once (‘93).
 
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