FSU at Duke
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Water you talking about. Could have easily clipped him in the cheek there.
Also, realize, that there doesn't need to be contact, when swinging the elbows. You can be called for a violation---not a foul, for doing so.
Meh-----Maybe if he had a "Jay Leno chin". Even then---its a reach...
I could see it happening sort of where the jaw meets the chin right underneath the ear.Meh-----Maybe if he had a "Jay Leno chin". Even then---its a reach...
how could it be a foul on FSU when the FSU player didn't hit him with his face?
@IUfanBorden if that was called, it should have been called a flop. If it was called a flop, would they have to review it?
Just trying to understand the new rules that's never come up.
they called it a foul without his face hitting his elbow.
Just trying to understand the new rules that's never come up.
they called it a foul without his face hitting his elbow.
Dude, C'mon man, the FSU guy slammed his face into the Duke players' elbow.
Yeah, it LOOKED like the FSU guy was moving away from the flying elbow, but these kids are REALLY good actors.
Yeah, they called one on Brooks last year for that I think. Probably would have here as well if it were him swinging elbows instead of Hurt.
Basically, the way I look at it, the ref called it a cylinder violation and he was 5' from the play. That official needs eye glasses, a set of balls (he was afraid to make the right call) and he needs better training.
Hurt probably didn't intend to throw the elbow, but he did so while his momentum was taking him towards the defender. The defender was backing away and got hit in the face.
That is not a cylinder violation. I've never seen that called as a cylinder violation.
Just like Bilas said, the official just didn't want to deal with the flagrant. Bilas was right.
This happens all the time with college officials, they don't want to piss off the home crowd, so they make calls that favor the home team. It might only be 1 or 2 calls a game, but as you saw tonight, it was a call that took away any chance FSU had to win the game.
Hurt probably didn't intend to throw the elbow, but he did so while his momentum was taking him towards the defender. The defender was backing away and got hit in the face.
That is not a cylinder violation. I've never seen that called as a cylinder violation.
Just like Bilas said, the official just didn't want to deal with the flagrant. Bilas was right.
This happens all the time with college officials, they don't want to piss off the home crowd, so they make calls that favor the home team. It might only be 1 or 2 calls a game, but as you saw tonight, it was a call that took away any chance FSU had to win the game.
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Never touched him and he didn’t throw an elbow. He was ripping through contact.
And with little time left duke would have fouled. They were up 3. Same result.
You obviously don't know the rules.
Even at that, he certainly did touch him and whether he was ripping-through or not, it doesn't matter, his elbow was too high and it is a flagrant foul. If it was the other way around, you would be agreeing.
The very last thing that should have been called there was a foul on the defender. The second to last thing that should have been called was a cylinder violation.
Lastly, Duke would not have fouled, that's stupid. FSU would have had 2 shots and the ball. All duke would have accomplished by fouling was put FSU back on the FT line for more points.
Probably not....But hey, Bilas knows----right? Here's what I think may have happened:
Cylinder violation is observed, called----during this, or even after, elbow gets thrown. NOW, thing is---the play IS OVER. Ball is dead. So unless the official feels the elbow was thrown with intent to be ,malicious, i.e. flagrant, there is nothing to be called. Here is what fans, yeah, even Bilas, do not understand. THe whistle doesn't make the ball dead---the action does, i.e. THE FOUL. Once you observe a foul, play is over. The whistle always comes AFTER the action---Never before it.
But I am sure Bilas knows all this..Winking
Bliss said the refs are not looking at the tv feed.Assume that they did not get the same replays we saw on tv.
We don't see the same replays. Just like the strike zone you see on TV. MLB does not use what ESPN shows us.
Which explains the 5 Elite 8's, 2 FF's and 2 national titles since 2010....
FSU, the best FT shooting team in the ACC, shot well under their average. We also couldn’t buy a three. Yet, because of our D (number 1 in the country at blocked shots, number 7 in the country in turnovers forced) we were right there in position to win. Can’t be too upset about that.
Hat tip to Goldwire, who went 3-3 from 3 and it was just the 4th game of his 3 year career that he made more than 1 three in a game.
I’m not even that mad about the end. The no call on Hurt throwing the guy who was blocking him out was worse than the non call on the elbow. What really sucked to me was that FSU was by far the more aggressive team on offense and yet Duke went from the 10:31 mark in the second half to the 1:56 mark without being called for a foul. 9.5 minutes against an aggressive team.
But in the end, FSU has only itself to blame. Hope we get to see Duke in Greensboro, would be a good rematch.
Hat tip to Goldwire, who went 3-3 from 3 and it was just the 4th game of his 3 year career that he made more than 1 three in a game.
I’m not even that mad about the end. The no call on Hurt throwing the guy who was blocking him out was worse than the non call on the elbow. What really sucked to me was that FSU was by far the more aggressive team on offense and yet Duke went from the 10:31 mark in the second half to the 1:56 mark without being called for a foul. 9.5 minutes against an aggressive team.
But in the end, FSU has only itself to blame. Hope we get to see Duke in Greensboro, would be a good rematch.
Did that guy really get owned by UNC and UK fans? He could have just posted it, but he brought up UNC and UK fans. We're not the only one's talking about it.
This is great. Thanks for sharing.
to be fair, he probably ignored the other fans and the post from UNC and UK fans got to him the most. Even though we weren't playing.
Who does he hear the loudest?
Pretty decent numbers since then.Which explains the 5 Elite 8's, 2 FF's and 2 national titles since 2010....
Yeah I’m confused by two things:
1. How Hurt wasn’t called for a foul on the rebound
2. How FSU was called for a foul on the flying elbow. If anything it was a travel on Hurt who flailed so aggressively he fell over.
Why is the Hurt play being discussed more than the play where Polite was swiping the ball, while standing on the baseline? Hurt didn't even foul on the rebound, as some claim. Williams did a weird spin move, and he ended up getting behind Hurt. No over the back. And FWIW, Forrest grazed Hurt's head on the initial swipe. Pause at 2 seconds to see.
Interesting thing about Forrest being knocked in the face by his own teammate, if that doesn't happen, Forrest more than likely hammers Hurt on the arm. His left arm was in a swinging motion at 5 seconds on this clip - but Williams intercepted.
The anti-Duke hysteria is real. Also, Tre got smacked in the face by Osborne in the first half. There are missed calls, every game, on both sides. At the end of the day, Duke's free-throw shooting defense prevailed again. That's our secret weapon.
Interesting thing about Forrest being knocked in the face by his own teammate, if that doesn't happen, Forrest more than likely hammers Hurt on the arm. His left arm was in a swinging motion at 5 seconds on this clip - but Williams intercepted.
The anti-Duke hysteria is real. Also, Tre got smacked in the face by Osborne in the first half. There are missed calls, every game, on both sides. At the end of the day, Duke's free-throw shooting defense prevailed again. That's our secret weapon.
Yes, because all things are usually equal in rematches - except for the one variable where you did poorly. I'm sure Duke will have 21 turnovers again.
Grabbing the arm would have been the call, not over the back. I don’t think you can have both arms holding him like that. It was probably a foul but one that isn’t always called. It wasn’t an agregious miss or anything. I think it is only partly Duke hysteria. You guys getting some pretty big calls late in games over the years is part of it. The fact that some of these have been in big games helps. And of course the fact the people hate Duke plays a part. It doesn’t make the calls nonexistent though.
Okay, but why was it a foul on the FSU guy? That's not a cylinder violation, he was standing there and Hurt's momentum carried him into him.
I don't know how you.play defense in college basketball anymore. An offensive player can drive the lane, jump sideways into a defender and it's a foul on the defender every time.
Then there's this, the guy got whistled for a foul because he happened to be standing where the Duke guy ended up after the rebound.
I don't know how you.play defense in college basketball anymore. An offensive player can drive the lane, jump sideways into a defender and it's a foul on the defender every time.
Then there's this, the guy got whistled for a foul because he happened to be standing where the Duke guy ended up after the rebound.
I don't think anyone thinks it was actually a foul on FSU. Tbh, when we play Duke I'm just glad when that jumping into our guy isn't called. The other night when Jones slammed into Cole and pushed him out of the way so Anthony wouldn't block his shot I thought for sure they were going to give him and and-1. I didn't think the calls were bad at all the other night in the UNC-Duke game though. Officials were fine. We just sucked it up at the end.
If the blatant FSU out of bounds call is called correctly, we’re probably not in this situation (with a FSU player slapping his own teammate). But, let’s not harp on that. That would be giving Duke credit for a call going against them.
The refs didn’t shoot 60% FT’s for FSU or allowed them to shoot 17% from 3.
NEXT...
The refs didn’t shoot 60% FT’s for FSU or allowed them to shoot 17% from 3.
NEXT...
You seem to spending too much time blazing past Duke storylines. Stop and enjoy the attention of K melting down and being on a tier of your own, Seth Davis melting down on twitter, just enjoy the season.
At least deflect. Nothing better than watching someone deflect away from their own troubles.
Yeah, I thought the refs did a good job in both games until the final plays in both games.
The problem is, both missed calls cost UNC and TSU a shot to win. That was a foul on Duke Saturday night. The refs went to the monitor and COULD have made it right by giving UNC the ball, but no, they doubled down on their screw up.
Then, last night, there should have been a foul called on Hurt for shoving a guy to the side to get the rebound, then there was the elbow/cylinder foul call on a guy that was standing there and tried to get put of the way.
Congrats to duke and their fans, they just "won" two really tough games.
And the missed call against FSU that would have avoided the last non call you have bitching about for 12 hours.
