With his improvements in the recruiting front it wouldn’t surprise me if he maintained national relevance
dukedevilz 2020-21 Preseason Top 50
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He will
He will have teams. Burnett is the guy.
I want to use this an example...
2018-2019 WV was ranked #11 to start the season. Somewhere around there.
They lost Jevon Carter. Most people who watched them knew how great Carter was
WV finished last in the Big 12
Going into last season all of these writers had WVU near the bottom .
Andy Katz had them #10.
Huggins was saying that he had a team
WVU finished tied for third....
Mind boggling how incorrect the supposed national writers are
Like they don't even watch the games.
Tech lost their three leading players off an average team...
They could end up clicking at some point during the season
But won't be all year like 2018-2019...
Culver was a National Player of the Year caliber player.
Burnett could end up being the guy but won't be as a true freshman in November and December
@SheriffBufordTJustice is desperate for Chris Beard to be an average coach.
Who said he was...
1/2 of coaching is having the correct pieces.
You can be the greatest coach in the world. Sometimes you just don't have the players.
To me...
Players come before I look at the coaches.
Because a dog could sit on the bench if you have the correct players.
It is on the coaching staff to bring in the correct players.
More than that...Have the correct players on the court
Look at Roy Williams last year.
His issues coming into this year is that team doesn't know how to win.
1/2 of coaching is having the correct pieces.
You can be the greatest coach in the world. Sometimes you just don't have the players.
To me...
Players come before I look at the coaches.
Because a dog could sit on the bench if you have the correct players.
It is on the coaching staff to bring in the correct players.
More than that...Have the correct players on the court
Look at Roy Williams last year.
His issues coming into this year is that team doesn't know how to win.
Iol wow. It's okay to have differing views. And I'm not doing a breakdown of a single conference. I'm projecting the top teams in all of college basketball. So, what would your top 50 look like? Or at least top 25? Maybe I'm not an expert, but I do watch 20-30 games a week, so I feel I cover more ground than most.
I couldn't do it..
I respect that you are.
I can tell you about the Big 12. That is it.
They might not have been top 15, but they were 20-25 on most advanced rankings.
Inconsistent...
This is the issue with KenPom...
Beating a team like TCU by 30 gets a higher value than beating them 5.
They had a few blowout wins against the bottom of the conference.
But they were 2-6 against Texas, WVU, Baylor and Kansas.
One of those wins were Texas when they lost I believe 3 guys during the course of the game.
They ended up losing 3 in Lubbock. Kansas, Baylor and Texas all won in Lubbock.
Texas gave them their worst home defeat since Chris Beard's first season
I saw a lot of Tech last year.
They didn't capture what they had in that Louisville game the entire season.
That was in December.
Ended up finding the season on a 4 game losing streak.
Good chance it would have been 6 if the season wouldn't have ended.
lol why are you saying that like Texas dominated us? It was 4 point game with less than 45 seconds left. We lost to Kansas by a combined 7 points in both games. Baylor beat us by a combined 8 points one in OT and I think we would both agree Baylor’s and Kansas’ roster were significantly better than Techs. This season we won’t have to rely on freshmen to lead us in scoring.
That space that wasn't there in 2018-2019 was there...
The guards could do whatever they wanted
Baylor is now the team that Texas knows they have to get better to beat.
Not Tech.
Tech frustrated Texas in 2018-2019
Wasn't the case last year. Maybe could happen again.
As of now. It is Baylor.
Texas is following the Baylor blueprint
They end the season similar to where Baylor was in 2018-2019
But except for Gillespie. That entire team is back
The guards could do whatever they wanted
Baylor is now the team that Texas knows they have to get better to beat.
Not Tech.
Tech frustrated Texas in 2018-2019
Wasn't the case last year. Maybe could happen again.
As of now. It is Baylor.
Texas is following the Baylor blueprint
They end the season similar to where Baylor was in 2018-2019
But except for Gillespie. That entire team is back
EM Long was a great addition to the young core of Ham and Coleman. He provided leadership and that 3rd scoring options. UNLV now have an abundant of shooters and leaders. Juniors Ham and Coleman and Jenkins are the leaders now. UNLV Have a bunch of muscles and shooters.
Texas played S Dakota State with Jenkins.
I came away more impressed with him than Mike Daum
Everyone talked about Daum but Jenkins was their best player.
Jenkins could play in the Big 12 and play at a high level...
I looked at his info. Scored 35 on Memphis while at S Dakota State.
There are whispers that UVa might have Trey Murphy immediately eligible to play this season after transferring to Virginia from Rice in the spring. Big wing who made 139 3-pointers in his two seasons at Rice and averaged 13.7 points and 5.5 rebounds last year. Supposedly he's been really good in practice since arriving in Charlottesville and more capable of defending wings than our staff might have expected. We'll see what happens but if Murphy is eligible, we're going to be tough to deal with given the added offensive firepower that he adds to the mix along with Hauser.
Little bit of truth there
He is long and athletic
Watch his game against UH because Rice doesn't really play great competition in CUSA
Don't remember all their games last year.
They played Arkansas as well.
But in terms of how much of an impact he can make...
I would wait on that
He is long and athletic
Watch his game against UH because Rice doesn't really play great competition in CUSA
Don't remember all their games last year.
They played Arkansas as well.
But in terms of how much of an impact he can make...
I would wait on that
All 3 took a backseat to the 2 that left. I think the expectation is players improve and step up. Jarius is a steady productive asset and Chol is healthy and should hopefully give some more consistent impactful minutes.
All the more reason to have higher efficiency ratings, as there should be more space to get off open shots. I expect Aaron Wiggins to take a big step forward. I could see him making one of the all-conference teams. Morsell, Ayala, and Hamilton are decent, but they really need to make steady improvement if Maryland is going to have a chance at the tournament. I do like Chol's upside. If healthy, he could be a nice, disruptive force in the paint. We shall see.
Mike Daum was the 3x Summit League POY for a reason.
Bandoo and Clark are also gone. They're a title contender, for sure. But, they'll probably have to rely on a freshmen to play the 5.
Amazing work, as always. Can’t tell you how much it’s appreciated.
I’m usually pessimistic as is, but I’d be thrilled if Duke’s flirting with a Top 10 position, I just don’t see it. Not too up on some of the incomers as it’s been an odd off-season, but I’m thinking that we’re going to see the troubles that usually accompany the freshman heavy teams (defense, inconsistency, etc.) but don’t have the crazy star power to overcome it.
I’m usually pessimistic as is, but I’d be thrilled if Duke’s flirting with a Top 10 position, I just don’t see it. Not too up on some of the incomers as it’s been an odd off-season, but I’m thinking that we’re going to see the troubles that usually accompany the freshman heavy teams (defense, inconsistency, etc.) but don’t have the crazy star power to overcome it.
I do expect a considerable amount of production from Wendell Moore and Matthew Hurt. Tre Jones looked much improved during his sophomore year; I think it's reasonable to expect Moore and Hurt to take the next step forward. And Jalen Johnson is easily a step ahead of the rest of the freshmen. I think Hurt and Johnson both have All-American potential. But, yes, there are obvious weaknesses with this team - and it's very possible we perform similar to the 2016 team.
So glad you put this out @dukedevilz . I was looking at teams to possibly put some money on that look like good value to win the championship.
As far as Maryland is concerned I agree we will struggle and will probably be in the 50-60 range. We could possibly completely bottom out in a pretty difficult B1G. If that happens I wouldn't mind a hard reset. I would drop Penn State with Chambers being fired. Too big of a question mark right now for them, although it looks like their interim coach is going to try and go with the Iowa approach and score a shit ton of points and not play defense.
As far as Maryland is concerned I agree we will struggle and will probably be in the 50-60 range. We could possibly completely bottom out in a pretty difficult B1G. If that happens I wouldn't mind a hard reset. I would drop Penn State with Chambers being fired. Too big of a question mark right now for them, although it looks like their interim coach is going to try and go with the Iowa approach and score a shit ton of points and not play defense.
Yeah, I think the 50-60 range is reasonable. It could easily swing 10-15 more spots, in the best/worst case scenario.
Those Vegas odds are funny because Duke and Kentucky are almost always the worst valued teams. Tennessee, West Virginia and Texas Tech at 28/1 have good value.
I feel like we are almost on the same page. Went with Wisconsin(@jwardelt ) +1700, Texas Tech, WVA, and Tenn all at +2500, and Florida +3500,
Not bad. I'd say you have an excellent shot at getting one Final Four team.
For sure. So, how much money per team are you putting on the line?
I found it interesting that the latest Jeopardy whiz, the guy that won like 30 in a row or so, committed himself to being a full-time sports gambler. Obviously he's not placing bets by chance, but using a robust system to beat the odds.
Depends on the team and the amount to win. If they look like they could easily make a elite 8 run I won't hedge until sweet 16. I add teams throughout the year, as well. I just don't think the team's value I've placed bets is going to go down much. I don't like Illinois at +1200, but if they could drop a couple early B1G games and I could get them at +2000, I'll jump on that train. I had between 12 and 15 teams for last years tournament until it got axed.
$10-$20 on futures bets depending on the sport. I'm not full-time guy, nor do I want to be. I'll put some research into it read a gambling book here and there, but in the end it's just for fun and to try and make a couple bucks.
Not too far away from the season.
Shaka is putting a lot of trust into Greg Brown.
He is expecting Brown to bring a sense of violence. Not by elbowing someone across the head but the way he attacks.
A lot to ask for a true freshman.
Ramey should be another one who he should be getting to play violent
I just think Shaka believes Brown and his ability to jump over,through or even around someone brings a sense of violent energy.
We will see. Don't see too many players coming into college and playing that way.
Shaka is putting a lot of trust into Greg Brown.
He is expecting Brown to bring a sense of violence. Not by elbowing someone across the head but the way he attacks.
A lot to ask for a true freshman.
Ramey should be another one who he should be getting to play violent
I just think Shaka believes Brown and his ability to jump over,through or even around someone brings a sense of violent energy.
We will see. Don't see too many players coming into college and playing that way.
Man U can make those tenn and UF bets with me if u wanna give away money.
Hell I’ll field all 5. Unless ur wanting to put like a stack a piece I can’t cover that, but I can 100$ or less in each. Wvu and wisky scare me the most but I don’t see em winning it all. FF maybe.
Sure? Idk. Shaka fvcking blows. He probably wastes more talent than Turge. But he had that one miracle year.
Oh, hell yeah Shaka sucks. I was talking more about Maryland fans constantly talking down about their team. I've seen national media mention it before and say its the strangest thing.
Understood. U can still set them up through me and hedge come tourney time so I can make some coin.
