It's impossible to say it was never hacked. A good hacker isn't going to let you know you were hacked, unless they release all the info to the public (like the Russian's did). Some hacker could very easily have all of her emails.
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Well. The hilldogg thing is done. But this week alone tells you what the real intent was with the Russian investigation. It was their way of bypassing the legal process of obtaining evidence. Get warrants related to but not exclusive to Russian collusion. We're looking for collusion, but if we happen to stumble across any other crimes in the process, those crimes cannot be ignored. It is smart, dishonest, but smart.
That is not how "rent free" works.
You have stated multiple times in this thread that you don't think there was any conclusion. What he did, is called drawing a logical conclusion.
Innocent of colluding with Russia? I lean that way, sure. But I will never claim he is innocent of wrong doings. Never.
So were John Gotti and Al Capone wrongly convicted? Evidence of a crime is evidence of a crime.
And cooperating witnesses are absolutely part of the "legal process of obtaining evidence." What about that is remotely illegal?
If you don't want other crimes leading to your downfall, don't associate with criminals or commit other crimes.
My dad taught me to never break more than 1 law at a time. SmokinSmile
This is where I am as well.
I think he likely did more illegal things in the private business sector than he did while president.
In order for any of your points to be valid, you would have to point out where I said anything about a wrongful conviction. Or where I said anything about the investigation being illegal. Or where I said anything about Trump not being guilty of said crimes.
No. You said, and I quote:
Suggesting that what they are doing is not a legal process of obtaining evidence. It is, in fact, entirely legal. And a cornerstone of our justice system.
There are legal ways to bypass the process of obtaining evidence. But I guess I can see where you got confused by my comment. Remove the word legal before process.
Not sure you get what he was explaining. No surprising though. You struggle with simplest of concepts.
In what possible world is the process of legally collecting evidence, "bypassing the process of collecting evidence".
You are upset with how they got their evidence, but that is one of the main ways evidence is collected in our justice system.
How about you let LetsGoDuke handle this one? He at least attempts to use logic in all of his arguments, instead of zero substance replies with nothing but insults. Insult me all you want, but at least try to make a intelligible point. Until then, let the adults speak.
Well, ok, that we know of. We know for sure the DNC was hacked and I think I remember it being said that the RNC was hacked too, but nothing was ever released.
It's generally assumed that Hillary's server wasn't compromised because nothing ever surfaced, even after the investigation and all the publicity.
Just pointing out the truth little guy. You struggle to understand the simplest conversations. And me and Ameoba disagree on a lot and have a normal conversation here. You on the other hand are an idiot and don’t like when people don’t agree with you.
To answer your initial question, she probably set up the server because government email servers suck ass and go down 3 times a week at minimum.
I'm having perfectly civilized conversation with everyone here besides you. Everyone else that disagrees with me here has half a brain and can actually present their argument without looking like a 12 year old who thinks they know politics.
Sorry I have to keep calling out your dumbass lies and that I have to keep explaining the most basic tenants of our political and justice system to you. Sorry youre a little too slow to understand.
PS flipping witnesses is still both totally legal and a legitimate investigative technique. If you think stating facts makes me an idiot, think about what that says about you, you mental child.
Dude. I am not upset. That's just silly. I even said it was smart.
The world you are looking for is the world where people are being arrested for crimes unrelated to Russian for the sole purpose of getting them to give any dirt they have on Trump. If these people do give dirt on Trump, it would be a way for the feds to bypass the process of obtaining evidence through the courts. No?
No. Flipping witnesses is literally collecting evidence through the courts. How is this remotely confusing?
Sure. If said witnesses were arrested for related crimes. If they have no involvement in the crime being investigated, there would be no legal way to obtain evidence, because it wouldn't exist. But since these people happened to have committed separate crimes not involving Trump or Russian collusion, they were able to use their situations to bypass the courts and get them to testify. Legally <------ yes.
No, flipping witnesses is collecting evidence, not bypassing anything. It is not that nuanced and no amount of goalpost moving will change that.
Err. Would Manafort or Cohen have been exposed as criminals had it not been for the Russia investigation? Realistically speaking...
The way I read your post is by beginning the investigation into Russia they were allowed to basically go after anything and everything essentially looking to see what they could find. If and when they did find something unrelated to Russia they could go after it. I think what you’re saying is they couldn’t have gone after whatever crime they find because they wouldn’t have been allowed to. But starting the Russian investigation essentially opened pandora’s box for them. Do I have it right?
That is how special investigations work. Bill Clinton's started with white water and expanded. That was also entirely legal.
That is how legal investigations take place.
This is not a difficult concept.
Managing projects gives me lots of 5-10 minute breaks in the day while waiting on correspondence. Off work now.SmokinSmile
Global still doesn’t understand. Like I said, he struggles with simple concepts.
Lol. Nobody is arguing that. Like I said, you struggle on some of the simplest things. Lol.
Neither of you seem to grasp that is how justice in America works. Welcome to the real world.
Maybe I just struggle with words. I could really use some tutoring. And I can't think of anyone better than the @Dattier . (Not an insult)
I think some folks are thinking Trump is the end game. He isn’t.
It’s much bigger than Trump.
Nah. Your post was clear. I got what you were saying and thought it was pretty clear.
Or maybe you cant articulate an actual intlligent thought. You are complaining about how the US justice system has always worked. The door is over there if you guys dont like America.
Not at all. The people who are being arrested, or charged, at least by Mueller, have been directly linked to Russia.
Flynn lied about secret discussions he had with a Russian ambassador about Obama's sanctions.
Papadopoulos lied about talking to a Russian agent about getting dirty info about Hillary.
Manafort was charged with financial crimes, all of which were related in various forms to taking money from Putin backed Ukrainian oligarchs.
Mueller's not asking these guys about Trump's prowess in the sack. It's all related to Russia.
Once you get to Cohen, Pecker, Weisselberg etc, those cases are being handled by SDNY and the Manhattan DA, not Mueller. If any of those people have info about Trump/Russia, which is already alleged to be the case with Cohen for sure, then they'll be referred to Mueller.
When other crimes are discovered during the investigation process, do you think they should just be ignored because they're not directly linked to Russia?
Just as a refresher, Whitewater started as an investigation into a shady Clinton real estate deal and when Starr couldn't find anything after four years, he lucked into a blue dress with a come stain and called for impeachment.
You know Letsgo is a lawyer, right? Haha. Project Manager trying to tell a lawyer how the justice/legal system works. Classic.
He, and I, articulated it perfectly fine. You’re just too dumb to follow.
And I’m good. I’m happy Trump is president. It’ll be a fun six more years. I’m guessing you’ll be full blown Trump Derangement Syndrome by the time he’s done with his second term.
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