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You guys still being completely obsessed with Hillary is disturbing. I'm not even a Hillary fan (though she would be 10x better than Trump) .

As to why most sane people aren't asking "what about Hillary?!?"... It's almost like Hillary isn't President of the United States of America. Weird, right?

And let's not ignore the fact that the far right has been chanting "lock her up" for two years while they were in power, and they haven't found anything on her.

Is that really an argument you want to make?
As bad as he is, he was the best available for the job. Quit the pouting, and move on.
 
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What evidence is there of her or everyone surrounding her breaking the law? Because as far as I can tell, what she has for breakfast every morning has been investigated and no illegal activity has been found.
I don't know. The same amount of evidence that Trump colluded with Russia? 30,000 delete emails that were subpoenaed would probably warrant the same amount of attention no?
 
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I don't know. The same amount of evidence that Trump colluded with Russia? 30,000 delete emails that were subpoenaed would probably warrant the same amount of attention no?

"What evidence is there of her or everyone surrounding her breaking the law?" Note the bold part? Are you saying that there are not obvious links to Russia and the Trump campaign? You realize people from his campaign have already plead guilty to such charges right?

And we don't know what evidence Mueller has on collusion, since its kind of an ONGOING INVESTIGATION. Hillary's investigations, however, have concluded with no illegal activity found.
 
How many indictments are we up to in Mueller's investigation?

How many came out of all those Benghazi investigations? You know, the incident that was investigated more than 9/11 in Congress?

Now that you have looked up those two metrics, look up the definition of witch hunt and get back to me.
How many of those indictments are Russian collusion? None.
 
"What evidence is there of her or everyone surrounding her breaking the law?" Note the bold part? Are you saying that there are not obvious links to Russia and the Trump campaign? You realize people from his campaign have already plead guilty to such charges right?

And we don't know what evidence Mueller has on collusion, since its kind of an ONGOING INVESTIGATION. Hillary's investigations, however, have concluded with no illegal activity found.
Who said anything about everyone around her breaking the law? How about the funding of the Steele dossier? Would that warrant an investigation?
 
Oh, so you're just not going to even pay attention to the counter points and just try to change the subject? Gold.Laughing
What counter point? He's an idiot. See how this works? I admitted as much. That's the point. It's as if the left won't even concede their party is full of hacks as well. It's this entitlement some have on the left. "Your guy's an idiot, mine is so much better!"
That's it in a nutshell.
 
How many of those indictments are Russian collusion? None.
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What counter point? He's an idiot. See how this works? I admitted as much. That's the point. It's as if the left won't even concede their party is full of hacks as well. It's this entitlement some have on the left. "Your guy's an idiot, mine is so much better!"
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm not a part of "the left".

And the point was that your obsession with Hillary is stupid, sad and pathetic.
 
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"You guys that are so obsessed with Hillary." Read an entire sentence, christ.

You just said you are not one of those people. Ergo, I was not addressing you.
Like I said, I was just joining in on the conversation. Don't know how these things always end up in a petty back and forth, but again, I am going to have to assume it is something I am doing wrong.

Moving on.
 
Like I said, I was just joining in on the conversation. Don't know how these things always end up in a petty back and forth, but again, I am going to have to assume it is something I am doing wrong.

Moving on.
Saying "Was your post the one I quoted?" is a petty back and forth?

You inserted yourself into a conversation with a comment that had absolutely no relevance:

"I haven't ignored it. I have said how stupid I think it is that Trump still brings her up at his rallies and how dumb the people who chant that look."

That's great, but I was addressing someone who WAS saying "what about Hillary".
 
Saying "Was your post the one I quoted?" is a petty back and forth?

You inserted yourself into a conversation with a comment that had absolutely no relevance:

"I haven't ignored it. I have said how stupid I think it is that Trump still brings her up at his rallies and how dumb the people who chant that look."

That's great, but I was addressing someone who WAS saying "what about Hillary".
Moving on
 
Good. You can’t argue the point. You keep harping on how many guilty charges have occurred insinuating it’s about Russia. In the real world, they aren’t. Well, Manafort may be different for some of the shit he did prior to being a part of Trumps campaign, but as t relates to Trump or his campaign, they’re aren’t any charges with colluding with Russians. You hope there are, nothing more.
 
Good. You can’t argue the point. You keep harping on how many guilty charges have occurred insinuating it’s about Russia. In the real world, they aren’t. Well, Manafort may be different for some of the shit he did prior to being a part of Trumps campaign, but as t relates to Trump or his campaign, they’re aren’t any charges with colluding with Russians. You hope there are, nothing more.
You keep saying that people haven't been indicted over Russia. That is simply not true.
Flynn: Check.
Papadopolis: Check.
Sessions: Not indicited, but implicated in lying about Russia and had to recuse himself.
Manafort: Indicted for crimes involving dirty money tied to pro-Russian Oligarchs in the Ukraine.

And Mueller hasn't laid out his case for collusion yet, so of course we don't know what he has. You seem to be pretty confidant in saying "NO COLLUSION" even though seemingly every major player in his campaign had shady dealings with Russians. Maybe Trump ends up innocent (thats what the investigation is for), but acting like there's no smoke here just makes you look completely biased. This is certainly not a witch hunt according to any sane person.
 
I don't know. The same amount of evidence that Trump colluded with Russia? 30,000 delete emails that were subpoenaed would probably warrant the same amount of attention no?

IIRC, prior to the election, Hillary's emails DID get the same amount of attention as Russia gets now. Or close to it anyway.

But let's hypothetically assume the worst about HRC's emails and Trump/Russia - one of those would settle in the dust bin of history and the other will bump Watergate down to #2.
 
IIRC, prior to the election, Hillary's emails DID get the same amount of attention as Russia gets now. Or close to it anyway.

But let's hypothetically assume the worst about HRC's emails and Trump/Russia - one of those would settle in the dust bin of history and the other will bump Watergate down to #2.
What a time to be alive.
 
IIRC, prior to the election, Hillary's emails DID get the same amount of attention as Russia gets now. Or close to it anyway.

But let's hypothetically assume the worst about HRC's emails and Trump/Russia - one of those would settle in the dust bin of history and the other will bump Watergate down to #2.
And they did an investigation and found no cause to press charges on anyone. Notice how Hillary and Obama weren't running around tweeting at 1AM about email witchhunts? That is how sane and/or not guilty as sin people behave.

People are worried about Pence, but at least he isn't unhinged.
 
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What I find really neat is the folks that the folks on the left look for everything to complain about Trump. What I've read from the right is they agree he is an arrogant, pompous, jerk that needs to shut his mouth.
Where it gets almost comical is the sound of crickets when it comes to Hilary. All the left does is find the next thing to fuss about Trump. What has she done? Does the left actually believe she is a decent lady? I think she's a waste of oxygen personally, doesn't care about anyone but her own a**, and that's the good qualities in her.

The left reminds me of the lady who was at the beach with her son. He went out swimming and started to drown. The lifeguards went to him, brought him to land, and saved his life. The mom looked in and said, "He had a hat on."
Hillary is irrelevant now. She lost. She has no position of power. It's much more understandable that the left wouldn't be saying anything about her than that conservatives are still talking about her.

People on the right agree that our President is a terrible person when it's convenient for them. When it's a matter of their own character, they distance themselves from him. When it's liberals criticizing his behavior, they double-down.
 
A little different, but it reminds me of Purdue games at Mackey when their fans chant "IU sucks"..... while they're playing Michigan.
Absolutely love you brought this into the discussion. Classic! Always made fun of them for doing that. It’s the ultimate little brother thing to do.
 
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You keep saying that people haven't been indicted over Russia. That is simply not true.
Flynn: Check.
Papadopolis: Check.
Sessions: Not indicited, but implicated in lying about Russia and had to recuse himself.
Manafort: Indicted for crimes involving dirty money tied to pro-Russian Oligarchs in the Ukraine.

And Mueller hasn't laid out his case for collusion yet, so of course we don't know what he has. You seem to be pretty confidant in saying "NO COLLUSION" even though seemingly every major player in his campaign had shady dealings with Russians. Maybe Trump ends up innocent (thats what the investigation is for), but acting like there's no smoke here just makes you look completely biased. This is certainly not a witch hunt according to any sane person.
Wrong again. Nobody has been convicted of collusion or anything close to it. They were arrested for lying to the FBI. The actions they lied about weren’t collusion or illegal, either. Nice try though.
 
Wrong again. Nobody has been convicted of collusion or anything close to it. They were arrested for lying to the FBI. The actions they lied about weren’t collusion or illegal, either. Nice try though.
No one will ever be convicted of collusion, since it is a blanket term that describes multiple crimes, not a crime that people are charged with. Nice try though.
 
Why are we STILL talking about Clinton? She hasn’t been important for years. It’s so strange.
I can speak for myself. I brought her up just as a question of whether there would be the same kind of crime search disguised as an investigation into Russian collusion had she been president.

Find all the dirt you can on Trump. But don't lie about the intentions here. Which IMO the Russian collusion investigation has always been nothing more than an excuse to find other crimes.
 
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So can we sum this up?

Everyone agrees Trump is a POS.

Most seem to agree that something shady is likely to have happened.

Some believe it was just business as usual, others believe it was illegal.

Some believe it may have been serious, others not.

Some believe it might end up involving Russia, some believe that it does not involve Russia.

This about accurate?
 
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No one will ever be convicted of collusion, since it is a blanket term that covers multiple crimes, not a crime that people are charged with. Nice try though.
I’ll give you this. I believe you liberals and the MSM will be as right about the Russia stuff as you were about the election. Lol. So you got that going for you.
 
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So can we sum this up?

Everyone agrees Trump is a POS.

Most seem to agree that something shady is likely to have happened.

Some believe it was just business as usual, others believe it was illegal.

Some believe it may have been serious, others not.

Some believe it might end up involving Russia, some believe that it does not involve Russia.

This about accurate?
Sure.
 
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I’ll give you this. I believe you liberals and the MSM will be as right about the Russia stuff as you were about the election. Lol. So you got that going for you.
I'm not a liberal, you dolt. I'm an independent registered as a Republican for local politics. I'm not cheering for a team here (other than America), unlike you.
 
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Had to bump this because I feel like it was vastly underappreciated.
 
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I can speak for myself. I brought her up just as a question of whether there would be the same kind of crime search disguised as an investigation into Russian collusion had she been president.

Find all the dirt you can on Trump. But don't lie about the intentions here. Which IMO the Russian collusion investigation has always been nothing more than an excuse to find other crimes.

And that’s been answered, right? I mean, she wasn’t even president and we saw email investigations and what, seven Benghazi investigations? If she was president, with a Republican Legislative? Obviously she would be. Would it involve collusion with Russia? No, because there is no reason to do so. But obviously she wouldn’t be immune to investigation or anything. Again; there is a Republican Legislative Branch, and they’ve investigated her a ton about things that didn’t even potentially involve crimes (Benghazi). So, that’s answered.

I disagree entirely about the Russia thing being an excuse. As long as we’ve been arguing here, every single person has said they want to know if Trump has dealings with Russia. That’s been the focus the entire time. You know... “Hey Russia, hack her emails!” and the meeting with Moscow reps to get dirt and so on and so forth? Not sure where you get the idea that the Russia thing is all an excuse from.

So. That’s done. On to the next thing?
 
And they did an investigation and found no cause to press charges on anyone. Notice how Hillary and Obama weren't running around tweeting at 1AM about email witchhunts? That is how sane and/or not guilty as sin people behave.

People are worried about Pence, but at least he isn't unhinged.

It's never been mentioned or covered in the news, but what I think is so ironic is that her 'illegal' server is the only one that was never hacked. I've always wondered if she got that put in at her house after she found out the DNC had been compromised (I don't remember the timelines). It's possible that was just a strategic maneuver...
 
So can we sum this up?

Everyone agrees Trump is a POS.

Most seem to agree that something shady is likely to have happened.

Some believe it was just business as usual, others believe it was illegal.

Some believe it may have been serious, others not.

Some believe it might end up involving Russia, some believe that it does not involve Russia.

This about accurate?
You can't sum it up, because the investigation is on going. There are three groups:

1. Trump is certainly guilty.
2. Trump is certainly innocent.
3. Theres a whole shit ton of smoke here, and we haven't been given all of the information yet to know who is and is not guilty (aside from those who have already admitted guilt).

Number 3 is where all sane people should be.
 
You can't sum it up, because the investigation is on going. There are three groups:

1. Trump is certainly guilty.
2. Trump is certainly innocent.
3. Theres a whole shit ton of smoke here, and we haven't been given all of the information yet to know who is and is not guilty (aside from those who have already admitted guilt).

Number 3 is where all sane people should be.

Number 3 is where you, me, UL, Dat, Will, and many other people are.

Not sure there is anyone here who is number 1.

Letsgo and Toon are what? Leaning 2?

SNU I assume is 2.
 
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