I'll give this a 6. Solid attempt, though.Maybe. You guys will be pretty good until K or Roy retires and Miller decides to leave for greener pastures. A Final Four appearance isn't out of the question.
I'll give this a 6. Solid attempt, though.Maybe. You guys will be pretty good until K or Roy retires and Miller decides to leave for greener pastures. A Final Four appearance isn't out of the question.
There's a good chance it happens. Can't deny that. I would think most coaches would leave. Honestly, wouldn't you agree with that?I'll give this a 6. Solid attempt, though.
There's a good chance it happens. Can't deny that. I would think most coaches would leave. Honestly, wouldn't you agree with that?
No. Especially if he's the coach we think he is. Let's say this year he wins the Big 10. Goes to the E8. Then next year gets to the FF. He becomes a God, man. So why would he leave THAT, to follow a legend? And if he's not the coach we thought. Then it's mute. Because the Dukes and Carolinas won't call.There's a good chance it happens. Can't deny that. I would think most coaches would leave. Honestly, wouldn't you agree with that?
And this. He's got every ounce of resources from the administration. If he doesn't win, it's because he's not the coach he was thought to be. Kentucly, Duke, UNC, Kansas doesn't have anything to offer that IU cant.That isn't happening unless the Indiana administrations starts short changing Miller. Miller is getting every resource he is asking for currently from the Indiana admin which hasn't happened since Knight was still coach.
This is an outlier. As you said, it was his alma mater; plus UNC was struggling. No braimer. Tell me of another coach who's left a Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas...to go somewhere else, i.e to another blueblood? It's happened one time. And the timing for this was perfect. If Miller is winning, and I mean WINNING, he ain't leaving Indiana to start over. Much less to do so, and follow a legend.Lol. You guys are in denial. Roy Williams left Kansas after back to back Final Fours with a top 5 recruiting class coming in. Obviously North Carolina was his alma mater, but he had just said no to them 3 years earlier when KU was at their lowest point in 20 years and all season long he denied having any interest in leaving. I'm not saying Miller will leave for Duke or Carolina but they are more prestigious jobs, they can match anything that Indiana has to offer and his teams would already (most likely) be stacked. It'd be a lot of pressure but coaches like that kind of thing.
Never say never.
Yeah, I know...this crap again. However, somebody brought up the subject of blue-bloods in another thread and rather than talk about who they are (or are not,) I wanted to talk about what statistics or historical aspects of programs should be considered when making such distinctions. Furthermore, it is clear that not all criteria are equal, so of all the factors that we would use to make these determinations, how should they be weighted?
Let's try to be open-minded about this and not just cherry pick the statistics that reflect favorably on our own favorite programs, however it is fair to mention programs in citing the importance of a factor, e.g. Temple. They started their program at the very beginning when other big names of the sport were many years away from establishing a program and they are still among the top programs in all-time wins.
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Where did you get video of the 1953 title game?The officiating crew in the 1953 title game was made up of 2 Missouri grads and 2 other representatives from the Big 10. You can watch the game and clearly see uncalled fouls committed by Don Schlundt on B.H. Born at the 13:22, 10:11, 6:47 and 1:22 marks of the 1st half and then at the 19:22, 9:45 and 2:29 marks of the 2nd half. B.H. Born should've scored 40 points in that game but the officials held him to 26. This all resulted in a 1 point loss which clearly gave the Missouri grads what they wanted and gave the Big 10 officials more prestige for their home areas, resulting in better pay. You can look it up!
This is a game I've reversed in my own record books but I realize that doesn't count to the rest of you.
Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's impossible. A football reference would be Lane Kiffin left Tennessee to go coach at USC. At the time it caught everybody off guard. It's ridiculous to think that it could never happen again in basketball. If Duke or North Carolina gives you a call, you listen. Indiana might be a top 5 program all time but they're not Duke or North Carolina.This is an outlier. As you said, it was his alma mater; plus UNC was struggling. No braimer. Tell me of another coach who's left a Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas...to go somewhere else, i.e to another blueblood? It's happened one time. And the timing for this was perfect. If Miller is winning, and I mean WINNING, he ain't leaving Indiana to start over. Much less to do so, and follow a legend.
It's happened one time and your telling me, "never say never "?
I'll say this...Youve went from.a 6 to an 8. Solid recovery.
Temple? I mean, ummm. No. Sure they've won some games. But no titles. Two FF's. With the last one coming in 1958. Hell WKU has a better argument than Temple.When was Temple ever good before Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina or 5,000 other schools. Geeze what a bad start to a stupid thread.
Ok. So what can Duke or UNC offer Miller that Indiana cannot? Money? Tradition? Fan support?.Facilities? Is either Miller's alma.mater? Miller has everything he needs to.succeed. And your telling me if he does this, that he would leave, start over, just to coach at Duke or Carolina? Why?Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's impossible. A football reference would be Lane Kiffin left Tennessee to go coach at USC. At the time it caught everybody off guard. It's ridiculous to think that it could never happen again in basketball. If Duke or North Carolina gives you a call, you listen. Indiana might be a top 5 program all time but they're not Duke or North Carolina.
Tennessee is considered a blueblood by many. Especially in 2010. And they have 4 titles, not 1.Ok. So what can Duke or UNC offer Miller that Indiana cannot? Money? Tradition? Fan support?.Facilities? Is either Miller's alma.mater? Miller has everything he needs to.succeed. And your telling me if he does this, that he would leave, start over, just to coach at Duke or Carolina? Why?
Also....Tenn Is good in football. USC is a blueblood. Sorry, UT and their one title, isn't on the same level as a USC. BAD example.
You win.Tennessee is considered a blueblood by many. Especially in 2010. And they have 4 titles, not 1.
I never said that they could offer something Indiana couldn't. I said they can match what Indiana has to offer. Lots of programs could if they wanted to, it's just Duke/Carolina are two of the ones that easily could. You agree with that, right?
Ask yourself why wouldn't he want that challenge. Coaches live for stuff like that. And come on, it's DUKE and NORTH CAROLINA. It doesn't get any bigger than that.
They claim 6 actually. And are you saying there were no national title winners before 1950 when the polls started awarding champions? Because they claim some from before then. Lots of schools do.You win.
Edit: Wait, wait....Tennessee has 4 titles? No, no. They have one in.the modern era [1998]. And the only other title even recognized by any major poll is from like 1958. Lot of wins. Lot of bowls. Lot of bowl wins. But they ain't a USC.
Even had you won that game, IU would still have more titles. Laughing
Your right. The consensus is if any teams on shaky grpund, it's Indiana. And I agree. But the consensus also agrees that Kansas is the biggest choke job artist come March. That's why I've officially changed KU's " Rock Chalk Jayhawk", to Rock CHOKE Jayhawk.Laughing
BTW, whoever said Kansas isn't a blueblood is an idiot.
But damn....17 FF's, and only 3 titles? And one of those you needed a miracle; well two kimda of. I mean we don't have a lot[8] but at least when we got there, we normally TCB, baby.
There's a good chance it happens. Can't deny that. I would think most coaches would leave. Honestly, wouldn't you agree with that?
Lol. You guys are in denial. Roy Williams left Kansas after back to back Final Fours with a top 5 recruiting class coming in. Obviously North Carolina was his alma mater, but he had just said no to them 3 years earlier when KU was at their lowest point in 20 years and all season long he denied having any interest in leaving. I'm not saying Miller will leave for Duke or Carolina but they are more prestigious jobs, they can match anything that Indiana has to offer and his teams would already (most likely) be stacked. It'd be a lot of pressure but coaches like that kind of thing.
Never say never.
Looks like IU and Kansas have split a couple in this thread. Baracus got Da_Bullied and then Borden was predictably schooner'd.
I nominate Klize to take the hill for the rubber match - where's Wardhawk?
There's a good chance it happens. Can't deny that. I would think most coaches would leave. Honestly, wouldn't you agree with that?
Tom Crean WinkingShouldn't get involved but, can;t help myself.
Who was the last coach from IU who left for greener pastures? CBB onlyWinking
I am really glad Crean is coaching in the SEC. The guy is such a character, he needs to be observed coaching and not broadcasting.Tom Crean Winking
Naaah. I know he's trolling. That's why I game him a 6. Bumped it to an 8. Then gave him the "W". I needed a conversation, too. With my heart issue, I've spent waaaaaay to much time on WebMD.Let’s be honest @schoonerwest went to a honey hole and catches the same fish everyone else has.
Tom Crean Winking
Yep, I think UGA and IU are both happy with the result.LOL,,,and we're all better for it.
Yep, I think UGA and IU are both happy with the result.
Never heard of him.I know you have BG on your mind when posting these kinda things
Who?I know you have BG on your mind when posting these kinda things
Never heard of him.
Selective memory works best for me.Excellent move. Ignorance is bliss or short memory, whichever works best.
Crean who...hey that shit works. Thanks.
Selective memory works best for me.
National title games? I'm not knocking that. I'm talking about the countless 2nd round or SW16 exits to directional schools. The 34-1 team. Lost in SW 16. 35-4 lost in 2nd round.5 minus 1 is still 4, last I checked.
Yep. Biggest choke artist. Still wouldn't trade places. Not even close. Especially with a great chance to add #4 this year.
Again...record in national title games is really all you can knock. There's a lot you can knock about Indiana's history/present.
Just misremember the bad stuff
Exactly....and embellish the good. The fanatic way.Just misremember the bad stuff
Not saying that at all. Just staring a fact. Only two of Tenn national titles are recognized by any major poll. That's a fact. People can claim all They want. Shit UK claims a title in football.They claim 6 actually. And are you saying there were no national title winners before 1950 when the polls started awarding champions? Because they claim some from before then. Lots of schools do.
And you're right. They're not a USC. It's similar to how Indiana is nowhere near Duke/Carolina.
Naaah. I know he's trolling. That's why I game him a 6. Bumped it to an 8. Then gave him the "W". I needed a conversation, too. With my heart issue, I've spent waaaaaay to much time on WebMD.