Lol tell UK fans that. “It happened years ago”!!!!Not a fan of doing that, actually. It's revisionist history (you'll notice I also haven't removed any vacated titles or Final Fours). And it's very subjective. I mean, some schools did things that were way more egregious than others. I can't imagine actually deliberating on a system which delineates between the magnitude of each scandal.
I guess so. But they didn't "earn" it in the traditional sense, by winning the ACC Tournament.
Well we did earn it. It was declared by the league and we were recorded as the official ACC Champion. It just wasn’t the traditional way of earning it.
It’s like a sprinter who earns 1st place after the person who crossed the line first was disqualified for going out of their lane. The get the gold medal. They get the distinction of winning the race in the record books. They just didn’t win it in the traditional sense.
Except the race never started. And you still had 7 other competitors in the race - none of which were ever disqualified.
You guys won the ACC regular season title, and that's what really matters in my book. It's far more impressive winning a conference outright over the course of 2-3 months as opposed to winning three games in three days. You earned the 5 points. Just don't really care to add one more point - because guess what? Dozens of other schools would have earned one more point. And did other power conferences even award schools like Kentucky, Kansas, and Oregon as the automatic qualifiers? If they didn't, that would create one more inconsistency.
Funny thing is, even if UNC net gained 200 points with outrageous 100 point deductions, Kentucky would still be in the lead. Yes, UNC would temporarily have a 12-point lead. But, not after the NIT results from 1939-56 are included.
And a 300 point deduction is essentially 4 national tiles + 1 final four. Seems perfectly reasonable for three years of probation.
Go troll some other thread. Someone took a ton of time to do this, no need for your crap to clutter it up.
I think we should make this thread a sticky. It's got UK ranked as the #1 program of all time and a perfect example of what happens in every thread where UK is at least part of the subject matter… .butthurt rival fans, including one lying ass that cheers for the biggest fraud program in the country.
I am absolutely not the person to come up with how we do it but what do you think we could do to award points to those years before the NCAA tournament? Because there's like 40 years of basketball missing here. Can't really call it all time if 1/3 of the sports history isn't considered.Wow. This got pinned. Okay, that motivates me to want to keep the thread active, which means I'm more likely to include additional metrics to the table.
I want to include the NIT Results from 1939-56. I think the champ should only gets 10 points, runner-up gets 5 points, semifinalists get 3 points, quaterfinalists get 2 points, and 1st round gets 1 point. This is the equivalent of FF-E8-S16-R32-R64. Recall that a lot of teams were double-dipping in the NCAAT and NIT. By 1951, all major conference champions were required to compete in the NCAAT. However, you still had a lot of top 5/10 independent schools that had no obligation to the NCAAT. I think those schools from the 50's deserve credit, too.
The other metric I want to include would be bonus/negative points, based on winning percentage. Do you all think that should be on a cumulative basis, or a season-to-season basis?
I am absolutely not the person to come up with how we do it but what do you think we could do to award points to those years before the NCAA tournament? Because there's like 40 years of basketball missing here. Can't really call it all time if 1/3 of the sports history isn't considered.
And yes I ask this as a fan of the first blueblood who would probably have Michigan like football championships had they been awarded to team pre-tournament. I mean if we're including the NIT we should absolutely include seasons that aren't otherwise being counted. It could just be as simple as awarding points to conference winners and measuring wins up to that point? I don't know, like I said I'm not the guy to determine any of that.
Bleh. The 2000s and portions of the 2010s really killed Iowa's position in college basketball. There was a point in recent history where Iowa was among the top 20 all-time in wins.And here's how it breaks down by the current conference alignment.
Big Ten (9):
10. Ohio State
11. Michigan State
3. North Carolina
22. NC State
30. Notre Dame
Big 12 (6):
16. Oklahoma State
23. Kansas State
39. West Virginia
Big East (6):
25. San Francisco
Mountain West (2):
46. Saint Joseph's
40. Western Kentucky
Dude, that had to take a lot of time and effort to compile; thanks for taking it on. Very cool! (And not just because Kentucky is #1, we already knew that, lol.)
A little surprised at Maryland being so far down the list; not sure why but I would have thought they would have been a little higher, but your numbers don't lie.
Again kudos sir.