2021 NBA playoffs discussion thread
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Dirk was 2011. Kobe and the Lakers beat the Big 3 in Boston in 2010. So I guess that’s 4/11.
Honestly, 35% is pretty good when you consider a guy the caliber of Lebron has been at his peak in many of those years. That shows that it’s at least a solid chance. Especially with Lebron’s prime ending.
Welp, that was quick. Won that bet in game 1 haha.
But what would it be had lebron never left cleveland and started this new super team era???
Nets take Game 1 easily without Harden and Green. Very impressive performance by the Nets.
I said the current super team era. Maybe i should have rephrased to the player empowerment era.
edit: i said new super team era like its never happened before. I meant the current superteam era that started when he decided to go to miami.
Okay, thanks for extra context. But how is Lebron in Miami different than KG/PP/Ray Allen in Boston like 2 years prior?
Like @GE Nole said, the last super team was literally 2 years before with Garnett and Ray Allen joining Paul Pierce (and a young Rondo) in Boston. The only difference was LeBron was a lot smarter and chose to live in Miami instead of Boston.
Eh. We're talking about players who had been with teams for a substantial amount of time and landed in a good position vs a guy who bounces around from team to team based on who can make him look good.
Huh? Miami was Lebron’s second team. After he had been with the Cavs for like 9 seasons.
Boston was KG’s second team. There’s no difference at all.
He was there 7 years. So I do need to correct myself. For some reason I thought he was gone after 4 or 5 years. Still, it wasn't a show with Garnett and Allen like it has always been with Lebron.
I’m not sure what you mean by “wasn’t a show.” You mean the actual decision?
But the point was guys joining up to form super teams. And yes, when KG and Allen collaborated to join Paul Pierce, it absolutely was a super team. They were known as The Big 3, and they were championship front runners from the very start.
I know some people just like to rag on Lebron, but he in no way started “the super team” trend.
An easy concession to make. Perhaps you're right. He may not have started it, but he has done it or attempted to do it more than anyone else.
Bc boston traded/drafted all those players. They didnt just ger together in the offseason and garnett say well i cant win in minnesota and ray you cant win in seattle?? So lets go join paul pierce on the Celtics and create a juggernaut.
The celtics front office made that happen, which is a big diff in my opinion.
The celtics front office made that happen, which is a big diff in my opinion.
So trading players and restructuring deals, to clear cap space, while also filling out a roster with key role players, that’s not work attributable to a front office. But trading for Kevin Garnett is?
That’s a weird distinction to make.
Regarding their talent, KG was 32 his first season in Boston. First team all NBA and DPoY. Boston won 66 games. Paul Pierce was only 31. They were plenty young and plenty good.
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Lot of moving the goalposts when it comes to LeBron as usual. Just admit you don't like him and move on.
Same could be said for his fanboys. Just admit that you're partial and move on. I don't like Lebron because I think he is a whiney bitch who flops, fakes or exaggerates injuries and bails on his teammates when things don't go his way. Him going from team to team is his right to do so. I don't like that in general, not because he does it.
How the **** do you like Duke then?
I mean, I know there is a connection between Duke and flopping. Not that flopping is exclusively a Duke thing. But that's about the only thing you can tie to Duke from what I said.
Jalen Johnson quit on his team when things got tough. You're literally a OAD factory so that's going from one team to the next. Coach K whines to the refs ALL the time and I doubt Scheyer will be much different. There's more overlap than you think.
You know how I feel about the OADs. I don't consider today's Duke the Duke that I grew up watching and I sure as hell don't consider Jalen Johnson a representative of Duke. That's a terrible comparison. But anyways. We are talking about Lebron. Do you disagree with my opinion on him as a basketball player?
I don't really agree with you about LeBron. He's played for 3 franchises over his 18 year career so I don't really see him as "a guy who bounces around from team to team based on who can make him look good". He's the guy who makes other players look good. He's a top 3 player of all time, does a lot of good off the court, and generally has a good demeanor on the court. He does flop and exaggerate at times so he's not perfect but the hate he receives is comical.
I'm not a LeBron fan boy at all. But your first post was wrong you were told that then you started moving the goalposts like always. Stick to saying thanks dems in your little echo chamber. Leave actual basketball talk to the adults.
Fair enough. I don't necessarily think the hate he receives is comical. Particularly when strictly talking about him as a basketball player. He has incredible talent that can and should do the talking for him. He is a lot of people's G.O.A.T. and talent wise, rightfully so. I think his antics (for me) remove him from consideration. I am not the one who decides that, so it shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings that I have that opinion. I found it hilarious that he talked about carrying the team on his shoulders when AD was out and then left the court with six minutes left when that team he was carrying on his shoulders was getting whooped. He's basically the guy who unplugs the playstation whenever he is getting beat.
All that said, I will exit the conversation. I am not bringing anything of substance to the point of the thread.
I actually made the concession that GE was right about him not being the first. Didn't move any goalpost. But right on. Jackass.
This was literally your first post dog. It was wrong and you conceded after you were told you were wrong. Super teams happened before LeBron and they'll continue to happen after. The rest of your post is just ironic as hell from a Duke supporter. They've been flopping longer than LeBron has been in he league lmao
I stand by my overall point. The thing I didn't realize was that he was with Cleveland for 7 years. I also still belive there is a difference between what Boston did with Garnett and Allen and what Lebron has routinely done since his first exit of Cleveland. Routinely on a relative level. Don't go acting like I am saying he does it every year. There was no goalposts being moved. That was an idiotic claim. But nothing less is expected from idiots who can't argue outside of feelings. We have a different opinion. Big whoop. Good luck to whatever team you are rooting for the rest of the way.
He went Cleveland -> Miami -> Cleveland -> LA. Went back to Cleveland when they sucked and had the #1 pick. LA sucked and missed the playoffs first year he was there too. So no you're still wrong. Saying I'm arguing with feelings (what does that even mean? I don't have a favorite NBA team anymore) is just you lashing out because you're out of your depth.
If you dont see the difference in a front office trading and drafting the players on their team, and three all stars getting together in the offseason and deciding to all sign as free agents with the same team, idk what to tell you, we will have to agree to disagree.
the difference to me is the way boston did it, although being a big time market, at least gives hope to the small markets that maybe they could pull off something similair. With the player empowerment, im afraid all the elite players are gonna flock to the big market cities and its gonna go back to no parity.
i was wrong on Garnetts age, my apologies, but still lebron/wade>>>>>>garnett/piece at any point in their careers.
you a heat fan? I have no problem with what the hear did, hell theyd be stupid not to entertain forming that team. My problem is with Lebron. The self proclaimed King shouldnt have to jump on another superstars team to win a title. And in doing so, set the tone that (sans dallas) unless you have multiple stars you have no chance of beating lebron in a playoff series. (In his prime assuming no injuries)
Sad thing is D wade was my favorite player before he adopted lebron to miami.
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I imagine trading for garnett was a complex move, where as having lebron/wade/bosh sign the dotted line, not so much. So miamis front office should be rewarded for filling out their roster with roll players, some i assume who were already there? While Boston drafted pierce and traded for Garnett, their two best players? You have to gove credit for miami drafting Wade, but he was a FA at the time they all signed as well right?
Gonna have to disagree on this one, which is weird bc we usually see eye to eye on most things.
And reatructuring deals to fit all three come on now, they got those three they would have cut the medical trainer
to clear up $$$ if they had to. I imagine those were pretty easy decisions. I dont remember who all they lost when the big 3 signed but i dont recall it being very many above avg players.
Gonna have to disagree on this one, which is weird bc we usually see eye to eye on most things.
And reatructuring deals to fit all three come on now, they got those three they would have cut the medical trainer
to clear up $$$ if they had to. I imagine those were pretty easy decisions. I dont remember who all they lost when the big 3 signed but i dont recall it being very many above avg players.
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I mean Garnett had a no trade clause so they obviously all got together just like Miami's big 3 before it happened. Ainge wouldn't have traded for just Ray Allen, he traded for him knowing they were gonna trade for KG too. And if you want to get technical, both LeBron and Chris Bosh were sign and trades to work under the cap. So no it's not much of a difference at all.
Also, comparing the talent of the respective Big 3's is dumb. All 6 of those dudes are either already in the Hall of Fame, or will be one day. It's an absolute fact that the Celtics facilitating theirs gave other guys like LeBron the idea of doing the same thing. You want to criticize the stupid decision program LeBron did? Completely understandable. But it raised 2.5 million for the Boys & Girls club so meh.
Your assuming garnett/pierce/allen colluded to play together, and maybe they did.
i know for a fact lebron/wade/bosh did.
And sign and trades to meet the cap reatrictions are hardly the same as regular trades imo. Sign and trades are a loophole imo to get under the cap. Normal trades have to be somewhat appealing to both teams.
also not buying you cant compare the talent. Lebron is possibly the best ever, wade was much better than pierce or allen. Garnett was better than bosh. But i dont see how its irrelevant to compare. That miami team was way more stacked than that boston team and theyve got more hardware to prove it.
i know for a fact lebron/wade/bosh did.
And sign and trades to meet the cap reatrictions are hardly the same as regular trades imo. Sign and trades are a loophole imo to get under the cap. Normal trades have to be somewhat appealing to both teams.
also not buying you cant compare the talent. Lebron is possibly the best ever, wade was much better than pierce or allen. Garnett was better than bosh. But i dont see how its irrelevant to compare. That miami team was way more stacked than that boston team and theyve got more hardware to prove it.
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