Yeah, I agree, but I hate to see a kid that made a good defensive play without fouling being punished for a little exuberance. It was a victimless moment. We all lost that day.
Worst blown calls you’ve witnessed?
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TCU fans should be mad. Hunter cried, refs stopped play, went back in time via replay review and called a flagrant one on the TCU big man. 2 shots and the ball to KU.
Would not work....
Where is everyone going to go? Unless you understand how PCA's work, Lead, trail and center official, where they go, what PCA they have----Its impossible to understand why having 5 officials is an sbsolute terrible idea. You really want 15 bodies on the floor?
Reduces the number of bad calls? Ok,. sure. But answer me this, and I will listen.
Explain to me LGP.
We need a Ghost Hunter episode in Allen Fieldhouse.
The two shot clock violations against Wisconsin that wasn’t called back in 15.
Your responses and philosophies in this thread are very telling and has to make one wonder if it transitive to generally all refs that they are alright with terrible BS officiating and terrible BS calls being acceptable and potentially difference makers in important games.
As for your question about how a 4th or 5th ref could work.
I'm sure there are a few 100+ IQ refs with better than 20/40 vision in the world that can figure out the mechanics.
One that stands out to me as a UK fan is the 2015 final four game against Wisc. UK is up 60-58 with just over two min to go. Nigel Hayes scores for Wisc, but it was clearly after the shot clock expired. Unfortunately because it was outside of two min, the refs couldn't go to the monitor to verify. If it had been under two min, they would have reviewed and taken the points off the board.
The following year (at least I think it was the next yr), the NCAA instituted a rule that all shot clock violations/or lack thereof could be reviewed at any point in the game, not just under the 2 min mark.
Always will wonder if things would have played out differently...
The following year (at least I think it was the next yr), the NCAA instituted a rule that all shot clock violations/or lack thereof could be reviewed at any point in the game, not just under the 2 min mark.
Always will wonder if things would have played out differently...
How many years have you officiated? How many D1 basketball games have you worked? How many D1 camps/clinincs have you been too? Can you explain to me what LGP is, and how it is applied?
Do you yell----"Over the back"?---I absolutely bet you do.
Can you tell me what last to touch, firt to touch pertains to?
I highly doubt you really know what good or bad officiating is. I doubt you understand game management---The processing of plays.
Can you tell me what a "cadence whistle" means, or is? Do you truly understand the dynamics of PCA's? What if I said to you---"You did a nice job tonight, but----I'd like to see you stay stronger in your PCA, and give your primary official more of an opportunity on a few plays. You had two really good , strong cadence whistles---but at times you need to let the play process, have a paitient whistle, and see if the contact is something we really needed at that time.. Also, your play calling was inconsistent. For example, at the 14:20 mark of the first half, you got #23 for an illegal screen, that was off the ball----But at the 11;14 mark, you let the sane type of contact go, on a play that was with action. Understand, once we get that call, we are now married to it. SO again, we need to let hings process, have a patient whistle, and understand what we saw, an decide---Is this something I relly want to be married to for the next 26 minutes?
I will suggest this to you-----When you have the experience I have, you can then tell me what I find acceptable, and what I do not. You and many others on here would absolutely shit your pants working a fukin 4th grade dirt bowl tournament---much less a P5 conference game. Yet you seem to know, somehow, what good officiating is. Do yourself a fvor---Quit listening to idiot podcast, listening to announcers, ESPN, Twatter, etc, etc....None of those dudes have a clue. Yeah they "know" the rules----but do they know how to apply them---understand the spirit of the rule---how to manage a game, the contact---how to separate legal contact, from illegal. Do they understand LGP? Better yet----Do you?
Am I perfect? Absolutely not. Can I get better? Absolutely. Can the guys calling these big time games, do better? Sure. But the game is never gonna be officiated perfectly. You can add 2 more officials----or 40---people are still gonna bitch.
Have a good night.
So you admit UK gets bad calls then.... just messing with ya borden.
I really wish I would've gotten into officiating/umpiring. I was very interested in it because I played and loved both sports. I just never took the chance to do it.
Well said. And look, its a rule-----And as I said, guess who knows this----Yeah, A&M does. So if its not called? Ummmmm, ok----what is your explanation to Buzz? Better yet----when the head of officials from the SEC calls you later that night, and ask---"So, Borden, why didn't your crew get that"?
Ummm, well you see Mike, it was, well I mean....
That's not a call anyone wants to take.
Everyone, but UK.... SmokinSmile
I got into by chance, tbh. Took a sports officiating class taught by Bruce fukin Pearl. I only took it for two reasons...
1. It was an 11 am class----much better than the badmitton shit offered at 7am.
2. Duh----Pearl.
Anyways.....Coach Pearl allowed a few of us to call intramural games, then some of his practices. A few of us he introduced to James Dunlap---a highly regarded IHSAA official, and college guy. I went from working intramural basketball to HS basketball, to college basketball.
But baseball was my love....Started doing some LL games....then some mens leagues, then HS, then College.
Its awesome to be honest. I love sports. Want4d to stay connected to both. Wantd no part of coaching, though. First time I stepped on the floor/diamond---It was pure love man. Asides from my stint in the Army, I have officiated now for well over 30 years.I'm now in my 19th consecutive year of working HS basketball and baseball. I "retired" from a full-time college schedule, both sports, a few years back. Health issues for myself, and now my wife. PLus, just tired of all the travel.
I'd suggest to any kid who loves the game, to take a shot at it. Never know, it may just turn into a great career.
I think that’s the game @lurkeraspect84 used to play with his uncle.
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I remember the one with Nigel Hayes. What was the other one?
This may not even it out, but I do remember Trey Lyles slapping Josh Gasser across the face, and nothing was called. Probably should have been a flagrant.
All I remember from that game was Sam Dekker hitting step back 3s in Willie Cauley Steins face all night long, only to go on to miss sbout 5 open ones in the championship game. Screw that dude.
@IUfanBorden
Explain what just happened in the UK game. Our guard had a layup and it got blocked. Our center had the ball off the block and was about to dunk it wide open. They blew the whistle and called goaltend and gave the ball to A&M. They reviewed it later and took the two points away. So basically we got the two taken away and they took the ball away from us. It makes no sense. Why not review it immediately so that UK still has possession instead of taking away the two and giving the ball to A&M for free?
Explain what just happened in the UK game. Our guard had a layup and it got blocked. Our center had the ball off the block and was about to dunk it wide open. They blew the whistle and called goaltend and gave the ball to A&M. They reviewed it later and took the two points away. So basically we got the two taken away and they took the ball away from us. It makes no sense. Why not review it immediately so that UK still has possession instead of taking away the two and giving the ball to A&M for free?
Not surprised it hasn't been mentioned but as a Seton Hall fan the phantom foul call at the end of the 1989 championship game against Michigan. Laughably bad call to decide the outcome of a championship game.
This offensive foul in the UK game on the guy shooting a three that kept UK alive may be the worst call I've seen. Even worse than the one to send the game to OT.
UK getting some epic calls in this game. I mean KU got one last week and took advantage of it. Refs giving UK multiple generous calls and they still can’t take advantage.
No doubt, but Dillingham does it even worse than that and actually hurt a dude earlier in the game tripping him. Just thought it was an awful time to make such a bad call. It isn't UK's fault though. They are just playing.
Had those calls went against UK, there would be multiple court cases....
I didn't like it. Seemed Reed landing spot changed, But A&M has to be smarter there. Why even contest?
Borden can you answer my question I asked you an hour ago or are you just going to spend the rest of the day basking in a UK loss?
I don't even know how Dilly makes 3s the way he kicks his legs out on every shot. He also jumps when he shoots free throws.
Yeah, he brushed up against him but didn’t impact Sheppard’s landing cleanly into his spot.
Like the goaltend call that got overturned and penalized UK?
Yeah, it's unorthodox but it works. He is one of my favorite non-UNC players to watch. He is going to be really good.
Yeah, that's an awful rule. UK got the ball and had a layup but because the official screws up you basically take two points away from Kentucky. If you want to look at it do it then and then if a team had clear possession they keep it.
Wait until a team secures possession, then blow the whistle and go look at it. If it is deemed a clean block, the possessing team keeps it. Pretty simple. How can you just give possession to A&M there? lol
If the rule is you can’t extend your leg (like the A&M guy did) then it was a foul. Shep wouldn’t have touched him if he hadn’t extended his leg. On the other end the foul on A&M that was called when Shep was shooting the three was bad. Unless I just missed it I don’t see how they called a foul on the A&M player.
Oh and good game A&M fans. I don’t think y’all usullay hit three’s like that (imagine that) but you guys was lighting it up today.
Not the officials fault....Yeah they missed the call----but man that can be a tough, tough call. BUT, the rule needs changed. Should be able to look at it immediately.
You cant INTENTIONALLY extend it. He didn't. That's a terrible call. Tell me last time you saw that called? Me? I don't think I ever have. He was on his way down as well. There is no way of defending that call. I would love to have been in locker room after that call, to hear the discussion.
Shep call was bad----But much, much, MUCH more sell worthy.
