I've learned that Tennessee fans don't like adcanced metrics. It's akin to voodoo and wizardry.
Will Tenn be #1 in the new AP poll
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I've learned that Tennessee fans don't like adcanced metrics. It's akin to voodoo and wizardry.
I was just comparing the 4 teams vying for #1 amongst themselves.
As far as wins, you’d be right based on where they were ranked at the time, but not all teams stay the same (see FSU).
Tennessee’s best four wins are Gonzaga, Louisville, Memphis and Florida/Alabama.
Virginia’s are VT, FSU, Maryland, and Wisconsin
I’d give Virginia a small edge, but with FSU falling off a cliff, it’s pretty close
It’s amazing that “how the pills work” is only an issue when duke loses and stays the same or moves up.
Kansas looked like crap last week and hardly dropped. North Carolina gets their doors blown off by Lousiville and hardly drops.
Is duke the only team to lose and move up though? Serious question. Can anyone give any more examples
Kansas looked like crap last week and hardly dropped. North Carolina gets their doors blown off by Lousiville and hardly drops.
Is duke the only team to lose and move up though? Serious question. Can anyone give any more examples
So he basically says, “if Duke has beaten Syracuse, and Tennessee had lost to Alabama, we’re not even having this discussion.”
Uh.....duh.
But instead you have a two loss team over 3 one loss teams and another two loss team that beat them head-to-head
That’s dumb. A two point loss to a veteran top three team in the beginning of the year, followed by a loss to a strange defense when you lose possibly the two most important starters against that particular defense (pg and best three point shooter) by a few points, followed by beating maybe the best team in the country still down a man… with what, five or six top 25 wins, most of which are top 15 wins? I’m fine with us being ranked number one by anyone who uses a brain and is not just a slave to win loss records.
Certainly easier to argue that we are number one than it is that somebody who thinks we are number one doesn’t deserve to even participate in the conversation.
Well, he frames several things incorrectly in that article, which is pretty irresponsible and unnecessary if his point was good enough on its own. Regardless of what he claims it is because of the name, because it is Duke. If both teams were reversed there would be no article like this. So as a voter he is being irresponsible, just like the road game guy. He just makes it look pretty to justify it to guys like you. He probably just wants clicks tbh. They both do.
No, he isn’t being irresponsible saying that he thinks Duke is the number one team in the country. There is nothing to indicate it is because the name on the jersey; in fact, he specifically mentions players and the like, showing that it isn’t. Trying to compare this to the guy who doesn’t count teams unless they play road games is, to put it mildly, an incredible stretch. I have no idea what you mean by “guys like you.” Do you mean people who went to the school and cheer for? I think your biases are starting to show.
Tennessee is #1, this is the greatest day in program history and I for one am glad to have lived to see it.
No, he specifically frames every scenario in the most positive way for Duke. Instead of pointing out that they would have three losses if the FSU player doens't throw the ball off his own guy and Tennessee would have zero losses if Grant Williams didn't foul out against Kansas (giving Duke 3 losses and UT 0) he mentions the what ifs that would benefit Duke and hurt UT. He is framing it to fit his argument. Why? Because he needs to for his point. If it was strong enough on its own he wouldn't have to do that.
Again, don't see how anyone can argue if the names were different this dude would be arguing for UT over Duke. No way in hell that happens and you know it.
Not sure why it is so hard to admit. UNC and UK and Kansas certainly get the benefit of their name at times. It isn't just Duke. Duke just gets it a little more than the others right now.
Going to be interesting to see how we respond to the 2nd half of Bama. After stringing together 8-9 really good games, we’ve had two terrible halves in the last four. Is it a temporary mental lapse or a little compacency, or is it possible we peaked too soon?
That’s not true. I think MSU is very good and a legit threat to win the title when healthy. That being said, if you’re being at all objective, you can’t put hem #1 based on what they’ve accomplished so far this year. Top 5? Sure
Its nice that we actually get to get satisfaction from running it up on Tennessee this year. Normally they're just hollow victories.
I’m not sure, according to you and the tone of your posts, nobody other than Tenn. should be #1. Am I correct here?
Actually, no. If it were based solely on resume, I’d say UVA is #1 (only loss at Duke is better than any other #1 loss team).
For better or worse, polls take into account the recency of the loss.
I get what you are saying. There’s definitely a discussion to be had about that. Frankly the guy just needed to post to who Duke has beaten this year and take a look at all there other numbers as a just argument. Debatable for sure but a legit argument.
Dukes resume is better than UVA’s and also has a head to head win which you have held against Duke in prior posts. You also seem to be forgetting just Who Duke has beaten as well. The Syracuse loss wasn’t good, I concede that in your argument. I’m just not sure how UVA can be ahead of Duke or Tenn right now given everything. I have no issue with Tenn being ranked #1 right now either.
Tennessee fans don't need kenpom to keep them warm on a cold night when they lose to an unranked team. Vols just think results trump predictions.
Yes, that would have been way more objective. My larger point was they all have biases and will use their own criteria to justify those. And they also want some attention, lol.
Good to see but we are 0-1 at Vandy as the #1.
I like our shot to get a 1 seed in March
The only way UT's resume is better is in the fact we beat a #1 and we have won 12 in a row. UT having a good streak vs UVA having a last game loss is the major factor in the polls. If it were reversed, y'all would be #1
You seem to put a pretty big discount on 2 losses vs 1 and the fact UVA didn't lose to an unranked team.
I don’t think that makes a better resume. It makes a fine case for being ranked ahead of us and I have no problem with that
Importance of games played is back loaded. Resumes are only relative as to what they get you. It is only a means to an end.
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