true, but I'm more concerned when the injuries happen to players on teams that could make it past the first weekend of the tournament.
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I gotta give it to you, you know right were the nads are.
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true, but I'm more concerned when the injuries happen to players on teams that could make it past the first weekend of the tournament.
They're the team I don't want in Kansas bracketKeep an eye out for Creighton. Lost 6 straight early in the year in part because Kalkbrenner was hurt. Since he returned:
Additionally,
- They are 14-5 with those 5 losses being 4 Q1 losses (3 on the road) and a loss at a fully healthy Nova team. Among those losses was a 2OT loss at Providence, a 3 point loss at Xavier and a 2 point loss to Marquette
- They are #9 in AdjE according to Barttorvik since that streak
- They won revenge games against Xavier and UConn
My guess is they'll end up about a 5 seed and I really hope they aren't in Purdue's bracket if we are the 1 (or a 6 seed in our bracket if we are a 2).
- They've been a top 10 defensive team all year and have a rim protector in Kalkbrenner
- They shoot the three well
- They have solid guards with NCAA tournament experience
1995 had a shrunk field? Did tyus Edney play for John wooden? Hell NIL has basically been created because of a ucla basketball player. Basically ucla is the most important college basketball program of all timeYou probably think that's comparing apples to apples, eh?
Let's see....half a season of Joel Embiid vs 3 or 4 seasons of dudes like Kareem. Seems comparable. Not to mention a much smaller tourney field that didn't include all the top teams, plus fewer tourney games.
Wooden in his coaching prime could have K's and Calipari's classes combined and still wouldn't sniff half of what he did in that era.
1995 had a shrunk field? Did tyus Edney play for John wooden? Hell NIL has basically been created because of a ucla basketball player. Basically ucla is the most important college basketball program of all time
And still a better a program historically than Kansas. If what wooden was doing was so easy why wasnt anyone else also doing it?10 in the 60s and 70s. 1 in 50 years since. 0 in almost 30 years. Thanks for proving my point.
Ugh , I removed them from the final four that year, and they still made it !I friggen hate injuries heading into the tournament. Always causes me to screw up my bracket. I'm looking at you Oregon and Chris Boucher!
And still a better a program historically than Kansas. If what wooden was doing was so easy why wasnt anyone else also doing it?
Again. What stopped Kansas from having a Sam Gilbert equivalent? Kansas has had zero issues getting extra benefits for players for the last 30-40 years. Mario chalmers even talks about it in a podcast. Why did they have issues getting guys paid during that era?Did anybody else have Sam Gilbert?
I’m not one to knock Wooden as a coach. He was one of the smartest. But he wouldn’t sniff that level of success today.
Imagine getting the equivalent of the Zion/Barrett class every year, and they stay for four years. And all you have to do is win 4 games vs a watered down field.
Imagine if the tourney today only included conference winners. Half the teams everybody’s picking to go to the final four wouldn’t even be participants. No Texas, Arizona, Uconn, Baylor, Xavier, Tennessee, K-State, A&M, Iowa St, Duke, Kentucky, Creighton, Indiana, Virginia. In their place, a bunch of weak midmajors.
Comparing the eras is hilarious.
Don't forget that Tennessee lost their starting point guard.We can all pick apart the top 25 right now
Houston isn't tested
Kansas isn't big
UCLA isn't a great shooting team and singleton is hurt
Purdue has freshman guards
Arizona doesn't defend
Bama starts 3 freshmen and seems to have a ton of drama going on
Baylor really doesn't guard
Gonzaga has weak guards
Kstate , Tennessee, Virginia and Uconn really doesn't have an NBA player on their roster
Texas is dealing with an iterm coach.
All top 16 teams could very well be upset before the S16.
Who do you trust the most as you head into your brackets?
2019. Purdue had the eventual National Champion beat in the E8 but lost on a series of unfortunate events. (LMAO that's a pretty good show btw).Definitely not. Purdue was playing well but can you ever trust Purdue in the post season. Ucla on the other hand is the most proven post season program of all time. Just think Kansas only has 7 titles to win to catch them
One reason he got those players is because of gilbert.Did anybody else have Sam Gilbert?
I’m not one to knock Wooden as a coach. He was one of the smartest. But he wouldn’t sniff that level of success today.
Imagine getting the equivalent of the Zion/Barrett class every year, and they stay for four years. And all you have to do is win 4 games vs a watered down field.
Imagine if the tourney today only included conference winners. Half the teams everybody’s picking to go to the final four wouldn’t even be participants. No Texas, Arizona, Uconn, Baylor, Xavier, Tennessee, K-State, A&M, Iowa St, Duke, Kentucky, Creighton, Indiana, Virginia. In their place, a bunch of weak midmajors.
Comparing the eras is hilarious.
That is true, but that sword cuts both ways. Remember how you got to that game.2019. Purdue had the eventual National Champion beat in the E8 but lost on a series of unfortunate events. (LMAO that's a pretty good show btw).
Teams to reach the S16 or better in 4 of the last 5 tournaments:Purdue was playing well but can you ever trust Purdue in the post season.
Saw this stat in regard to Purdue today from a Yahoo article:2019. Purdue had the eventual National Champion beat in the E8 but lost on a series of unfortunate events. (LMAO that's a pretty good show btw).
Again. What stopped Kansas from having a Sam Gilbert equivalent? Kansas has had zero issues getting extra benefits for players for the last 30-40 years. Mario chalmers even talks about it in a podcast. Why did they have issues getting guys paid during that era?
You do realize that auburn lost in the final 4 to that same uva team right on a bullshit non double dribble call right?uva got huge breaks in 3 straight games in that tourney2019. Purdue had the eventual National Champion beat in the E8 but lost on a series of unfortunate events. (LMAO that's a pretty good show btw).
I will find it. Just basically talks about all the extra things he got in Lawrence based on being a star athlete. Nothing out of the ordinary that doesn’t happen on every big time programs campus the last 20-30 yearsUCLA had the better coach at the time and a lot more talent. They were obviously better in those days. Since then....not even close.
What did Chalmers say? Got a link?
Nobody has issues getting players paid in this era. But if you're implying that KU can land whoever they want, that's hilarious. Self misses on top targets constantly. Especially since the FBI probe. The title team had like two top 100 players in their rotation. He almost never lands the truly elite guys. He mostly gets players in the 50-150 range.
You just look at the whole body of work. They have the most titles. Not really a debate here. Kansas has had better regular season success overall sure. Buts that not what we are discussing hereAuHoosier, the question is...if UCLA epitomizes greatness, why do they have 1/10th as many titles in the last 50 years as they had in one decade?
You just look at the whole body of work. They have the most titles. Not really a debate here. Kansas has had better regular season success overall sure. Buts that not what we are discussing here
National Championships are all that matterWhat isn't a debate?
So why isn't UCLA unanimously considered the greatest program of all time? Almost no one rates them #1. Usually 4th or 5th.
National Championships are all that matter
Yep. It's why, even when we were 22-1 and #1 in the country, I cautioned Purdue fans to be careful in assuming this was the breakthrough year. Even without the 4-4 finish, it was going to be an uphill climb to reach the Final Four with a true freshman backcourt.Saw this stat in regard to Purdue today from a Yahoo article:
One concern is that freshman guards Fletcher Loyer and Braden Smith appear to be tiring after both playing more than 70 percent of Purdue’s available minutes this season. As The Athletic’s Brendan Quinn recently noted, no team since 2015 has made the Final Four with two freshmen carrying that heavy a load. In fact, only three total freshmen have reached the Final Four since 2015 playing that percentage of minutes.
if those two guys stick around 4 years Purdue will be in this conversation again sooner rather than later.Yep. It's why, even when we were 22-1 and #1 in the country, I cautioned Purdue fans to be careful in assuming this was the breakthrough year. Even without the 4-4 finish, it was going to be an uphill climb to reach the Final Four with a true freshman backcourt.
For sure. Recruiting is picking up as well. Already have a 4 star committed next year and a 5 star the year after. Both are more athletic than every player on our current roster.if those two guys stick around 4 years Purdue will be in this conversation again sooner rather than later.
Purdue has done a better job than anyone over the past 8 years or so of brining in guys who become good enough to be multi year All conference and even All Americans but not good enough to play in anyone's rotation in the NBA. Ivey excluded of course, but even he stuck around a lot longer than any other college player turned top 5 pick that I can remember in recent years.For sure. Recruiting is picking up as well. Already have a 4 star committed next year and a 5 star the year after. Both are more athletic than every player on our current roster.
Yep. Painter's wheelhouse have been guys ranked between 75 and 120 in the recruiting rankings. Most are good enough to be contributors by their sophomore year but not good enough to leave early.Purdue has done a better job than anyone over the past 8 years or so of brining in guys who become good enough to be multi year All conference and even All Americans but not good enough to play in anyone's rotation in the NBA. Ivey excluded of course, but even he stuck around a lot longer than any other college player turned top 5 pick that I can remember in recent years.
I'd rather have guys like that as opposed to a string of 1 and dones.
Yale doesn’t offer athletic scholarships. Not a good comparisonTo you. Obviously not to everybody else that follows or covers the sport.
Even if that were the case, when the titles occurred obviously matters. You can't fall off the map and still expect to be treated like the king 50 years later.
I think Yale has the most CFB titles all-time. But it would seem pretty damn stupid to call them the GOAT, or "the most important program of all time," wouldn't it?
and even those 3 guys who left early were in the program for more than one year.Yep. Painter's wheelhouse have been guys ranked between 75 and 120 in the recruiting rankings. Most are good enough to be contributors by their sophomore year but not good enough to leave early.
We have had 3 guys leave early in recent years (Swanigan, Carsen Edwards and Ivey) but that's it.
The 5 star guy in 2024 is Tamika Catchings nephew and he's a likely early entry guy but we will cross that bridge when it happens.
Yale doesn’t offer athletic scholarships. Not a good comparison
and even those 3 guys who left early were in the program for more than one year.
My wife grew up with and was friends with Tamika Catchings. My wife used to dominate field day and all the track and field events at her school until the Catching sisters showed up and then it was all over for her. Is the nephew the son of Tamara or their brother? Just curious.
ah tauja, had her name mixed up with a lady named Tamara who I spoke to this morning. My wife went to Stevenson with them before Tamika transferred to Duncanville.Catchings’ mom, Tauja Catchings, was a 2,000-point scorer, two-time state champion and Miss Basketball award winner during her high school career at Adlai E. Stevenson in Illinois. Tauja went on to become a first-team All-Big Ten player for the Illinois Fighting Illini where she was the first player to rack up more than 1,400 points, 700 rebounds, 300 assists and 200 steals before playing briefly in the WNBA.
Meanwhile, Kanon’s aunt, Tamika Catchings, had an even more decorated career on the hardwood. Also a star at Adlai E. Stevenson and later Duncanville High School in Texas, Tamika went on to become a national champion, All-American and Naismith College Player of the Year with the Tennessee Lady Vols.
Yes, by beating all of the teams before us. Not sure what you're insinuating here.That is true, but that sword cuts both ways. Remember how you got to that game.
I can't disagree. Loyer hasn't been the same for about the last 8-10 games. He started out getting B10 freshman of the week several times. Just seems to have lost a step. There's some indication that he may be fighting a leg injury, which would make sense.Saw this stat in regard to Purdue today from a Yahoo article:
One concern is that freshman guards Fletcher Loyer and Braden Smith appear to be tiring after both playing more than 70 percent of Purdue’s available minutes this season. As The Athletic’s Brendan Quinn recently noted, no team since 2015 has made the Final Four with two freshmen carrying that heavy a load. In fact, only three total freshmen have reached the Final Four since 2015 playing that percentage of minutes.
I never said they didn't get some breaks. They did win it all though right?You do realize that auburn lost in the final 4 to that same uva team right on a bullshit non double dribble call right?uva got huge breaks in 3 straight games in that tourney
Hell, could be next year. Purdue could return it's entire roster sans David Jenkins Jr.if those two guys stick around 4 years Purdue will be in this conversation again sooner rather than later.
Feel bad for that kid. Injuries suck.
I don’t acknowledge that stolen titleI never said they didn't get some breaks. They did win it all though right?