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That was a clear flop. He fell much harder than Williams actually bumped him.
The NBA has the exact rule I am talking about----it applies to players off the ball, etc, etc....Not someone who is actually defending a player who's in the post...In other words, if you are on the weak side, and camping in the lane, not playing a defender-----you are treated as a post player, and can only been in the lane for 3 seconds. Its a very, very good rule. It pretty much takes away the secondary defender being able to slide in, and take a weak charge....
Possible---But as I said---On the 2nd hit, Williams did not remain vertical. He lowered/dipped his shoulder...You do that, and 99.99% of the time, you are getting banged for a foul.
Purdue is really good, "B". I was impressed. First time I;ve seen them extensively this year. Matt might have his best team ever----certainly his deepest. Gotta shore up the defense some. PLus when Purdue went small, they had a ton of problems with Nova. Teams that can rebound with Purdue, and defend the post, will give Purdue fits. Fortunately for Purdue, there's only a handful of teams that can do such----Plus, teams that can pull Edey/Williams away, and forcet hem to guard.
But damn----you guys are good.
Not really. You have a guy camped in the lane, opposite the ball, Ivey beats his primary defender off the bounce, secondary defender who's been camped in the lane, simply slides over, establishes position, gets credit for a charge....I hate that call. I htink it rewards bad defense.
But hey....to each there own.
I don't like the way the NBA is. That's why I don't watch it. It's boring. Defense is nearly non existent the way the game is set up. No thanks.
The rule has nothing to do with liking/disliking the NBA...You mentioned the arc is enough---Exactly where do you think that idea came from? Or extending the 3-point line? Rules are either good/bad, regardless of the level they are implemented.
Defensive 3 seconds is a great rule, b/c IMO, it takes away the cheap charge calls. Ask yourself---How many times have you lost your mind when a secondary defender, who's been standing the lane for an hour, simply slides over(and sometimes under) and a Purdue player gets called for a charge?
Me---a ton. I rarely reward the defense with that call. Now if the offensive player is out of control---sure...OR, if the sercondary defender comes OFF his guy to help, probably....BUT....if he's just camping in the lane, being lazy---10 feet off his dude---Nope.
Defensive 3 seconds , along with calling offensive 3 seconds, would go a long ways in cleaning the game up.
Optics? Not in the mood to argue, but I'll explain this..For one, there is a definition/rule called "displacement". In other words, as a defender OR an offensive player, you cannot displace the other, from a spot they have legally established on the floor. That even means you cannot use force beyond an ordinary move, to move a defender off his spot, i.e. You can be called for an offensive foul by "excessively" moving your defender off his spot....Its rarely called. But it could be, and the officials would be 100% right...
Now, back to your "optics" take. If you remain vertical, while backing down your opponent, and not doing so excessively, you are just fine....Its when you are not vertical(dropping your shulder/dipping INTO your defender), that you are in trouble. And on the second bump, its exactly what Williams did.
Best way I can explain it...
How could u run a traditional 2-3 zone without the center getting a defensive 3 second call every possession? He just have to dart out of the lane every so often???
And doesnt the nba rule have to donwith not being in guarding distance of anyone regardless if u are in the lane, or i guess thats the one called illegal defense i guess.
I whole heartedly disagree. I love the charge. It's a hustle play. The arc is enough. I hated it when they extended the 3 point line the 2nd time. If they extend it again, it's going to become NBA light defensively. The court is too spread out in the NBA.
Anytime you engage with an offensive player the 3 seconds resets. All it does is prevent camping in the lane if no offensive player is around you. In which case you take two steps out to the block then step back in. Or engage someone near you.
Might be best team Boilers have had since Robinson. Boiler up to my friends @ Purdue. I did a keg stand there one weekend.
Someting tells me you ain't being truthful, here. I would be willing to bet more often than not,you have complained when a secondary defender has slid over, and taking a charge----When your guy has beaten his guy. I have no issue when a defender helps OFF his guy, and draws a charge---that is a hustle play. There is no hustle in a guy simply camping out in the lane---not playing "D" on anyone, taking one step over, and drawing a "charge". There is nothing about that, that says hustle.
When is that last time IU/Purdue were both on their game same season? That's a rivalry that might be something this year if IU brings it.
Easily....I'm not sure some of you understand exactly how the rule works---and the exemptions that come with playing a zone---You have to be within a certain distance of your offensive player. And rarely is the middle guy of a 2-3, not within distabce of an ofensive player. PLus, the rule could be tweaked to accomodate a zone defense....
No I'm 100% serious. I was a great defensive player in my day and taking a charge was something I did well. I have always appreciated that part of the game and always will.
I don't care how much you have to come over to take a charge, it takes a quick reaction. It is totally a hustle play.
Out of the charges you took, how many were you as the primary defender? Not simply taking ONE step, establishing a spot, and getting a charge. There is a HUGE difference in coming off your guy in a help situation, opposed to just standing in a spot, watch your dude get blasted off the dribble, you take a steo or two(How much hustle does that require, really?), and get a charge? You think that is great defense? Really?
I think it sucks----Even when IU gets the benefit of it.
Most of the charges I took I was almost never the primary defender. Almost never did I have to take only 1 or 2 steps to take a charge and we didn't have an arc. That's a ridiculous example that almost never happens.
I get the feeling you don't like it because you want freedom of movement like the NBA is afforded. I hate it. Again, why I don't watch the NBA. Defense be damned in that league.
Ridiculous example that almost never happens? Do you only watch Purdue games? Over the years, I have officiated 100's of CBB games, and have the exact play happen hundreds of times.
Watch a game that doesn't involve a team you care for....Watch how many times the secondary defender is 10 feet off his guy, or so---and simply takes a step or two, into the lane, and a tkaes a charge. OR, how many times a guy is camped in the lane, "playing" an area, not a player, and again just simply takes a step or two, and draws a charge after the offensive player has beaten his guy.
Just take the time, and watch a game----and watch it off the ball. You'll be back here telling me---"Yeah, maybe we do need the rule".
Thing is, there a few people who rarely watch the game, watching any of the action off the ball. I do it a ton. Probably b/c I am used to doing so. But give it a shot.
Maybe it does happen more than I notice. I still don't want the rule.
Look at it this way. If the defender is pretty much already there, as you suggest. Then why can't the offensive player see that and not run into them? I can tell you from first hand experience, it takes more quickness of mind and body to get a charge than it looks. They just made it harder with the arc. Let's not make it near impossible.
Which is fair...Respect yur opinion.
BTW, people that don't think they play defense in the NBA, don't watch the NBA. I'm not a fan of the game. BUT.....the defense at that level is very elite. Just so happens, so is the offense. And the NBA is more structured as an offensive minded product----Which is good for business.
When I refer to no defense in the NBA I'm talking about the fact that each defender is basically on an island and spread way out. I watch enough NBA to remind me why I don't watch the NBA.
I mean we see that more and more at the college level----teams sprading the floor, creating mismatches... 4/1, and 5 out, are basically offense that spread you out.
And FTR, I hate the NBA.
Yes college is trying to spread the floor, but the physical court is larger in the NBA and hard to cover everything.
I know what a foul is, like 99% of people here.I’m referring to you saying lowered the shouldering or dipping will be called an offensive foul most of the time(optics).
Bad officiating to call foul by what it looks like as opposed to what is actually a foul.
No one needs a dissertation of the rules so save your breath
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