Uh.....North Carolina

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  1. coryfly

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    Not sure why people feel this team is talented. They are counting on guys that should be playing at mid-majors or coming off the bench. Leaky hasn't developed but that is no surprise. People thinking he would suddenly become an aggressive relevant player ignored every scouts evaluation of him. The guys playing now are supposed to be role players who spell better players. They were desperation grabs because the scandal hampered recruiting so bad. This is the year that whole mess came to fruition. So for one year State fans can think they won. Good for them.

    The issue is the starting lineup is void of legit talent outside of Bacot, who is really struggling right now. On top of that, every player is injured except players who suck like Keeling and Pierce. That's not true. Brooks is healthy and playing well. The issue is in recruiting misses though. Even the players they have aren't as talented as Roy thought they would be. Then you throw in Harris, who made a tremendous difference in +/-, immediately tearing his other ACL, and it isn't surprising the team came out flat. Coming out flat and also just not being a good team lead to an ass kicking. It won't be the last one. I think Roy knew this team would suck. He gave us warnings at the beginning of the year. People just didn't listen.
     
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    Dang, I wish I could be so flippant about composite 4 stars. We will take all the 100-150 type kids you want to send our way.
     
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    For real. I appreciate every one we get. Most work out and certainly a hell of a lot more often than those that aren't 4 stars.
     
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    So using your logic, it’s a damn miracle that UK & Dook ever lose a game.
     
  5. boilerzz

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    Of course not. Duke shouldn't have lost to Stephen F Austin and UK shouldn't have lost at home to Evansville. And UNC certainly shouldn't be down 32-8 at home to Georgia Tech.
     
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  6. GE Nole

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    Haven’t said anything of the sort. Surely you can put aside your bias and objective recognize that UNC’s performance against GT was more than just having some guys hurt. It was a putrid display of “effort” and execution.

    This wasn’t a tough shooting night that led to a hard fought loss. It was 27 to freaking 4.
     
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    Not sure why you’re shocked. Carolina hasn’t shot the ball well all year, even with Cole.
    This season is caused by the NCAA witch hunt & rival coaches lying to recruits about UNC going on probation.
    This team is 80% role players.
     
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    Oh lord. First off, don’t cheat and get caught. Second of all, you UNc fans weren’t saying this in 2017 and 2018.

    so why now. Why this year? Did it effect next years class as well?

    or do you only make this excuse when losing.
     
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    Btw, how many calls have you been on with parents and recruits and how many meetings have you been in.

    And are you saying parents are gullible or naive. Are you saying Roy isn’t beleivable.

    why did Anthony and Bacot and next years class come.
     
  10. coryfly

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    Yes, this team this year just sucks. It is a combination of guys who just suck offensively. They haven't really been terrible defensively all year until last night. However, they have been awful offensively. Hell, the offense generally creates good shots. There just isn't anyone on the team that can make them. However, I do think there is an effort and execution problem. Roy knows it. He said as much. He also said before the year that this team was going to struggle offensively, which they have. However, he is confident he can get guys to improve play better. That clearly hasn't happened. If we are being honest, I think Roy doesn't like this team. I think he feels like they are lazy and entitled. He would never admit that though obviously.
     
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    This years class & next years class is because the NCAA cleared UNC.
    The seasons before this year, UNC has upperclassmen & the majority of this years team were role players.
     
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    I agree with the role player aspect of this statement. However, I don't think the scandal has much to do with the downfall of this team. Last year, UNC was a 1 seed with Kenny Williams, Cam Johnson, and Luke Maye in the starting lineup.

    I can't help but think Leaky, Robinson, and Bacot were more highly regarded than the aforementioned three players... I think the bigger issue is Roy isn't accustomed to a high turnover rate. Very few players on this team have much experience playing big-time college basketball. Also, you've lost three guys as early NBA entrants that could all be on this team in Tony Bradley, Coby White, and Nassir Little (Felton and Woods were top 50 guys, too).
     
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    I don’t think anyone thought Little would be at UNC for 2 years.
    I also don’t believe anybody thought Bradley would be at UNC for 3 years.
    White on the other hand blew up last year & had to leave. That was a big surprise.
    Robinson & Black have both had injuries in previous year & didn’t get much PT & now it’s showing.
    The NCAA junk is the reason Roy had to settle for about 5-6 players on this team that have no business wearing a UNC uniform.
     
  14. Afamu

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    BS. Kids still came when this was going on. It went on for 7 years. Started in the early part of the decade.

    Try another excuse.
     
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    The scandal was a reason Roy missed on some guys and had to take other players (Platek, Manley, etc...). So indirectly those are 'ships used on guys because he needed players that he could have potentially gotten other players if he had those 'ships open. Last year that team was much better than they should have been. This year the team is worse than they should be. I think you can make a case Roy did a really good job last year and probably not so good a job this year. Or maybe you can just make a case last year there were dudes who could make shots and this year there are not.

    No doubt the unexpected attrition has hurt. Coby sort of took off and was awesome and Bradley left when maybe he shouldn't have (good for him though) and Felton f'ed up and Woods left because I assume he thinks he could get more time somewhere else (not really the case). All those things hurt for sure. However, I still think the biggest issues is this team just can't shoot worth a damn.
     
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    The only class that was really effected was the 2017 class. 2016 class had 3 guys that were all ranked in the top 65. Your 2017 class had a 5-star recruit in Felton - and then Brooks. So maybe the other 3 guys. Your 2016 class was more than good enough, by the rankings, at least.

    If you had 5-star upperclassmen on this squad, then yes, UNC would obviously be a top-tier team. But times are changing. Even Roy can't keep top 25 kids around for 3 years anymore. So the statement is nullified because had Roy signed a few more of them, they wouldn't be on this team either (much like Bradley or White).
     
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    UNC received their NOA in 2016
    2016 class was
    Bradley, Woods, Robinson & Rush.
    Bradley was a good player. Woods,Robinson & Rush are role players
    2017 class was
    Felton ( committed years before)
    Brooks
    Huffman
    Manley
    Platek
    Cam.
    Felton was an idiot & only Brooks & Cam deserve to wear a UNC uniform.
    Hell, even Brandon Ingram said he would’ve picked UNC if not for the NCAA mess.
     
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    This years team is made up of the left overs from those two classes.
    Just look at the recruits Roy has gotten since the NCAA cleared UNC compared to the classes in 16 & 17.
     
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    The 2016 and 17 classes were impacted. I think Roy understands kids are not staying around. He is ok with that. Let's see what he does next year with a class of OAD types that are talented. This year he has two players that were potential OAD and one of them was on pace to be excellent and got hurt and the other is really struggling for sure. I bet by the end of the year he will be playing very well though. Where the scandal hurt was the non OAD types he had to get were below what he normally gets and those are the dudes playing now. He missed on guys and had to reach. Those reaches are now huge contributors. They are not UNC level players.
     
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    Leaky Black was not a desperation grab. He is someone who committed very early in High School when he was a pretty damn dominant pass first point guard. The problem is that he grew out of the position.
     
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    Ingram saying he would have picked UNC was an excuse to appease his home town. He wanted to play at Duke.
     
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    Robinson and Brooks were 4-star recruits. If you had better leftovers than Brooks, they'd probably be in the league. So if you're telling me that the reason UNC is performing poorly this year is because of leftovers like Platek and Huffman, who are 10th and 11th on the team in scoring (and Manley who hasn't played), then I'd have to strongly disagree. Roy never needed to reach with guys like Platek and Huffman in the first place. He had 10 other scholarship guys on the 2018 team.

    If Roy wanted more semi-capable bodies, the grad transfer route would have been better than wasting multiple ships on practice players for 4 years. FWIW, I actually don't think Manley is a bad prospect. He was very efficient as a freshmen; he's just battled a lot of injuries. Taking a chance on a project like Manley isn't a terrible idea, since you figure you can't have 12-13 blue chip prospects anyway. Problem is, Roy took on 3 projects in the same class. Not quite as bad as his boy Kevin Stallings, who took on 6-7 projects in his 2017 class, but close, given UNC's clout.

    Duke has 4 upperclassmen on this team in O'Connell, DeLaurier, Goldwire, and White. Do you know where they rank on the team in scoring? Try 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th. They are nice complimentary players, and fill their roles really well. But, they aren't the main contributors on this team. The top 6 scorers are all freshmen and sophomores. If any sophomores for Duke are averaging double figures, it's very unlikely that they'll return for their junior season. The same will hold true for UNC going forward. So my point remains. The upperclassmen that you have is about on par for what you can expect - complimentary players, not stars. If you're going to compete for conference/national championships, the bulk of your scoring has to come from underclassmen. Which means the recruiting downfalls of 2016 and 2017 have little to no effect on this team.
     
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    If someone can’t tell the difference in the recruits UNC got before the NOA, the 2 classes during the NOA & now the recruits that UNC is getting after the NOA, then I’m done in this conversation.
    It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to tell the difference & realize that the NCAA witch hunt is to blame.
     
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    You must have missed my post which details why your entire argument is nullified. Top 25-50 kids aren't staying around for 3 or 4 years. If they are, they're probably complimentary players that won't move the needle a whole lot. Your point is moot because had UNC signed better players in 2016 and 2017, they certainly wouldn't be on the 2020 team.
     
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    He wasn't a desperation grab but he was never dominant. He was potentially dominant if he could learn to be aggressive. That was the knock then and it still is. His major flaw hasn't ever not been apparent. Even now he is just kind of out there, though I know playing with turf toe is very difficult.

    Yeah, Ingram just used UNC for tickets. Dude was always going to Duke.
     
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    Gonna have to update this cover by the end of the season... Assuming UNC gets a bid to the NIT.

    [​IMG]
     
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    It’s bad. But this will be the 4th time in my life (43 years) they miss the tournament. Whaaaaa. Once every decade ain’t so bad. How do other teams stack up to that, I wonder?
     
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    You're ****ing old.
     
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    Well, lately, it's been more like twice a decade. This will be the fourth time in the last 20 seasons. The string of 27 straight appearances was impressive, however.

    Kansas, Duke, Gonzaga, and Michigan State are the only schools to go 20 for 20 this century. Wisconsin is 19/20 and Kentucky is 18/20.
     
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    FSU missed it four times last decade, lol.

    But we have only missed a bowl game one time in my life, so...guess we can’t have it all.
     
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    **** you, too.
     
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    Yeah. 4 of the last 20 kinda sucks. Not too happy with that. Not very blue blood of em. The three titles help, though.
     
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    Yes the 3 titles help A LOT.
    Could you imagine being a blue blood & only having 1 title in the last 20 years?????
     
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    I’m the same age as you and Duke has only missed the NCAA Tournament 4 times in the 40 seasons that Coach K has been at Duke. His first 3 seasons at Duke and the 94-95 season when he needed back surgery. If Duke hadn’t missed the NCAA Tournament in 1995 when Coach K had to have back surgery then Duke would have a streak of 37 straight NCAA Tournament appearances including this season.
     
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    Old lol? You call 43 old??? I’m 42 and I’m just in my prime. I pull more nookie now than when I was in my 20’s!!!Laughing
     
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    That’s true but could you imagine your school winning those titles by means of cheating??? Could you imagine that?
     
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    Even as bad as Carolina has looked this season, you can bet that they'll still manage to sweep NC State.
     
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    Alright, here's the latest edition. Get it while it's hot! It's dadgum enhanced!

    [​IMG]
     
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    At least he's got Rameses!
     
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    Bet you can’t put a moon pie in his shirt pocket and a coler in his hand!
     

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