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should read "Citizens"

Well, since we know empirically that voter fraud is incredibly rare and not unique to either party, I don’t see the need for quotations.

We could pretend this is fantasy land and base our opinions on feelings, I suppose. I just don’t know if that’s useful.
 
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Democrats are programed to repeat the line that voter fraud is rare and has little effect. But their leaders fight so hard against ever measure taken to prevent it. Why?

Because voter suppression is more of a threat to democracy than voter fraud. There are already protections in place to stop/limit voter fraud and nobody has ever presented evidence that voter fraud occurs by any significant measure.

Why do some leaders fight so hard to suppress US citizens from voting? “Well it’s easy to get an ID” isn’t an answer.
 
Because voter suppression is more of a threat to democracy than voter fraud. There are already protections in place to stop/limit voter fraud and nobody has ever presented evidence that voter fraud occurs by any significant measure.

Why do some leaders fight so hard to suppress US citizens from voting? “Well it’s easy to get an ID” isn’t an answer.


uhm, it is pretty easy to get an ID.
 
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Because voter suppression is more of a threat to democracy than voter fraud. There are already protections in place to stop/limit voter fraud and nobody has ever presented evidence that voter fraud occurs by any significant measure.

Why do some leaders fight so hard to suppress US citizens from voting? “Well it’s easy to get an ID” isn’t an answer.

If nearly every other country in the world requires an ID to vote and the majority of Americans believe an ID should be required, why wouldn't we as a nation set policies that agree with the will of the people? And why is it just one party who is so fervently against doing just that?




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Americans' Support for Election-Law Policies​

In general, do you favor or oppose each of the following election-law policies?
A table showing categories of issues with ratings of importance. The ratings are a great deal, a fair amount, and only a little/not at all.
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Requiring all voters to provide photo identification at their voting place in order to vote7921
Early voting, which gives all voters the chance to cast their ballot prior to Election Day7822
Enacting automatic voter registration, whereby citizens are automatically registered to vote when they do business with the Department of Motor Vehicles or certain other state agencies6535
Sending absentee ballot applications to all eligible voters prior to an election6039
Removing people from voter registration lists if they don’t vote in any elections over a 5-year period3960
Limiting the number of drop boxes or locations for returning absentee ballots3959
 
Because voter suppression is more of a threat to democracy than voter fraud. There are already protections in place to stop/limit voter fraud and nobody has ever presented evidence that voter fraud occurs by any significant measure.

Why do some leaders fight so hard to suppress US citizens from voting? “Well it’s easy to get an ID” isn’t an answer.
Remember when I made the comment that when North Carolina was removing voters from the rolls, the libs would cry "voter suppression", and you responded by saying no one was calling it voter suppression because people are removed from the rolls all the time? How far you have come.
 
Harris cancelled 2 million in ad spending in NC.
I'll be so glad when Tuesday comes and goes. So damn sick of getting political junk mail jamming up my mailbox daily and getting a million unsolicited political texts. So maddening.

Has anyone ever based their voting decision on a piece of junk mail or random mass text message? No....GTFO. And so much for environmentalism, wasting all this paper and embodied carbon to produce it on political advertising nonsense. 😂
 
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Because voter suppression is more of a threat to democracy than voter fraud. There are already protections in place to stop/limit voter fraud and nobody has ever presented evidence that voter fraud occurs by any significant measure.

Why do some leaders fight so hard to suppress US citizens from voting? “Well it’s easy to get an ID” isn’t an answer.
Is it more of a threat to democracy than hand-picking a Presidential nominee that didn't get a single primary vote?
 
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Just so I am understanding this right... an individual is required to have identification to gain willful employment (or unemployment), drive a vehicle, open a bank account, apply for a credit card, get on welfare, food stamps, medicaid, social security, or any other government assistance, rent/buy a home, buy a gun (I know, lol...crazy to think that people illegally possess firearms, right?), or a million other things,

but not being required to have ID to vote is voter suppression?

Well damn, these inner city folk are just suppressed all over the damn place then with all these things they can't do without ID. Maybe the liberal administrations running these cities should prioritize funding to get these folks the identification they need to get on their feet and start being contributing members of society.
 
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Just so I am understanding this right... an individual is required to have identification to gain willful employment (or unemployment), drive a vehicle, open a bank account, apply for a credit card, get on welfare, food stamps, medicaid, social security, or any other government assistance, rent/buy a home, buy a gun (I know, lol...crazy to think that people illegally possess firearms, right?), or a million other things,

but not being required to have ID to vote is voter suppression?

Well damn, these inner city folk are just suppressed all over the damn place then with all these things they can't do without ID. Maybe the liberal administrations running these cities should prioritize funding to get these folks the identification they need to get on their feet and start being contributing members of society.

What about when somebody goes to vote and their ID is expired? What about if it gets lost or damaged? There are other scenarios in which somebody might not have a valid ID at the time of polling and they might not have enough time to replace it or just don’t feel like jumping through the hoops necessary to get/replace an ID immediately. Common? Probably not. Much more common than voter fraud? Yes.

So that US citizen ends up being denied their right to vote because they didn’t try hard enough soon enough. That has been found unconstitutional in multiple states at this point. You’re burdening the voting process to stop something that essentially does not happen. Voter fraud happens so little that it’s fair to say it doesn’t happen, but hyperbole doesn’t play well here.

PS: To my knowledge, all states require some form of identification the first time you register to vote, at minimum.
 
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What about when somebody goes to vote and their ID is expired? What about if it gets lost or damaged? There are other scenarios in which somebody might not have a valid ID at the time of polling and they might not have enough time to replace it or just don’t feel like jumping through the hoops necessary to get/replace an ID immediately. Common? Probably not. Much more common than voter fraud? Yes.

So that US citizen ends up being denied their right to vote because they didn’t try hard enough soon enough. That has been found unconstitutional in multiple states at this point. You’re burdening the voting process to stop something that essentially does not happen. Voter fraud happens so little that it’s fair to say it doesn’t happen, but hyperbole doesn’t play well here.

PS: To my knowledge, all states require some form of identification the first time you register to vote, at minimum.
If you don't have valid form of ID to present at the time of voting, that is what a provisional ballot is for. Gives you time to get the necessary documentation. Otherwise, you just need to be a responsible adult and if you can't do simple things that are required of adults you probably shouldn't be voting anyway. If your vehicle registration expires or insurance lapses before you renew it and you get pulled over or get into an accident, there will be consequences and that's your own fault. Nobody revoked your right to drive that vehicle, but you neglected to maintain the necessary documentation that give you that right.
 
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What about when somebody goes to vote and their ID is expired? What about if it gets lost or damaged? There are other scenarios in which somebody might not have a valid ID at the time of polling and they might not have enough time to replace it or just don’t feel like jumping through the hoops necessary to get/replace an ID immediately. Common? Probably not. Much more common than voter fraud? Yes.

So that US citizen ends up being denied their right to vote because they didn’t try hard enough soon enough. That has been found unconstitutional in multiple states at this point. You’re burdening the voting process to stop something that essentially does not happen. Voter fraud happens so little that it’s fair to say it doesn’t happen, but hyperbole doesn’t play well here.

PS: To my knowledge, all states require some form of identification the first time you register to vote, at minimum.


So in one post you say voter fraud is rare and therefore doesn't need to be dealt with, but in this post you are concerned with people who have valid ID's, lose their IDs the week of the election and don't have time to get a new ID which probably consists of a group of 50 people nationwide? Just want to make sure I got that right.
 
If you don't have valid form of ID to present at the time of voting, that is what a provisional ballot is for. Gives you time to get the necessary documentation. Otherwise, you just need to be a responsible adult and if you can't do simple things that are required of adults you probably shouldn't be voting anyway. If your vehicle registration expires or insurance lapses before you renew it and you get pulled over or get into an accident, there will be consequences and that's your own fault. Nobody revoked your right to drive that vehicle, but you neglected to maintain the necessary documentation that give you that right.

Again, you’re unnecessarily burdening the voting process, which is a right. Burdening a right and burdening a privilege (like driving) are on different playing fields.

You’ve struck at the intent of many of the voter ID pushes in recent elections. They’re not intended to prevent non-citizens from voting; that’s just the note the politicians pushing for them have to play. They’re intended to make the voting process more difficult.. for reasons that are obvious.
 
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So in one post you say voter fraud is rare and therefore doesn't need to be dealt with, but in this post you are concerned with people who have valid ID's, lose their IDs the week of the election and don't have time to get a new ID which probably consists of a group of 50 people nationwide? Just want to make sure I got that right.

Your estimates are way off both ways.
 
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Again, you’re unnecessarily burdening the voting process, which is a right. Burdening a right and burdening a privilege (like driving) are on different playing fields.

You’ve struck at the intent of many of the voter ID pushes in recent elections. They’re not intended to prevent non-citizens from voting; that’s just the note the politicians pushing for them have to play. They’re intended to make the voting process more difficult.. for reasons that are obvious.


voting is a right shared by all citizens 18 and over. Assumption of one's citizenship is not a right.
 
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voting is a right shared by all citizens 18 and over. Assumption of one's citizenship is not a right.
You’re arguing with the type of person who believes pedo Joe got 81 million legitimate votes because that's what his overlords in the left wing propaganda outlets tell him to believe.
 
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Because voter suppression is more of a threat to democracy than voter fraud. There are already protections in place to stop/limit voter fraud and nobody has ever presented evidence that voter fraud occurs by any significant measure.

Why do some leaders fight so hard to suppress US citizens from voting? “Well it’s easy to get an ID” isn’t an answer.
Define "voter suppression ".
 
Again, you’re unnecessarily burdening the voting process, which is a right. Burdening a right and burdening a privilege (like driving) are on different playing fields.

You’ve struck at the intent of many of the voter ID pushes in recent elections. They’re not intended to prevent non-citizens from voting; that’s just the note the politicians pushing for them have to play. They’re intended to make the voting process more difficult.. for reasons that are obvious.
IDK man. In some states felons can drive but they can't vote.
 
If any of you actually buy the conspiracy that fraudulent votes tipped the last election, may your god have mercy on all of us.

Holy sh!t that’s crazy.
 
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Here's a question. If Sleepy Joe is unfit to run for a second term, WHY THE **** IS HE STILL IN OFFICE?

Does it matter that much at this point? What do you want? An impeachment for a couple months? You want Kamala to be president right now?
 
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