Who said I was upset? I don't get upset at anything I read here. It's funny I never even claimed Korver was the best of all time, yet you are crying because I think he's in the discussion.
and he is.
Steph Curry is the best shooter in NBA history
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and he is.
You compare him to Klay Thompson as a shooter, because you think he's in the discussion.
And he isn't even close.
And he isn't even close.
And he is as a shooter. Creating your own shot (which Klay is not so great at BTW) is not all that goes into it. Or do you also think Lebron is a better shooter than Korver, as well?
You probably do.
Just curious, do you think Lebron is a better shooter than Klay? After all, he's better at creating his own shot, gets to the hoop better, has more ways to score, etc.
would seem by your "logic" Lebron is the better shooter. Is he?
would seem by your "logic" Lebron is the better shooter. Is he?
Haven’t seen work like his since @jarms24 raped Carolina on a daily basis, oftentimes with fake news, but the kid had bite.
Always telling when someone wont answer a direct question. A sign of the irrational.
Maybe you didn't see it.....Better shooter, Lebron or Klay? If you want, we can make it easier and make it a yes or no question. Would that help (can even say Y or N to save some time)?
Is Lebron a better shooter than Klay?
come on, @SloppyHopkins . don't cheat me out of your pearl of wisdom for an answer. Yes, No, Y or N?
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Klay is famously a poor ball handler. Even his outbursts are marked by very little dribbling; recall his 60 point outburst with 11 dribbles and 90 with the ball in his hand? Both Klay and Korver do a lot of work to get open, of course. They're similar shooters, even if Klay is the better overall player.
For his career, Korver has been assisted on 96.5% of his 3 point attempts; Klay on 93.7%. Pretty close, and both over 90% every year of their careers. For context, Curry is at 61.0%, Harden at 51.4% (!!!), Bradley Beal at 84.2%, and Ray Allen (beginning in 2001 season) was 84.6%. Even JJ Reddick is at 91.0%. And these are meaningful sample sizes for each of these players.
Klay is primarily a spot up shooter who moves well without the ball and rarely makes plays with the ball. He has a 11.1% assist rate for his career to Korver's 10.5%, despite spending most of his career playing on great teams. They have similar (and negligible) offensive rebound rates. The biggest difference between them on offense is usage rate (24.6% to 16.1%).
Are you seriously comparing a 28 year old Klay to a 37 year old Korver? A 37 year old Korver who barely played against the Celtics because of his defense? Is defense a part of shooting now, too? "CAN'T SHOOT IF YOU CAN'T GET ON THE COURT BECAUSE OF YOUR DEFENSE!"
Your use of "idiotic" is quite ironic.
I found the comment that Klay is the better shooter because he creates his own shot the most comical. Never mind he really doesn't. By this "logic" Lebron is a better shooter than both.
What's funny is this Yosemite Sam-like namecalling tirade was started because I said Korver was in the discussion. Not even that he's better.
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Klay is better at literally everything than korver. And a 28yo korver. And any aged korver.
Didn't read your novel of a response.
Nice deflection and avoidance of my question, but let's make it simple, and try and stay focused as this is about shooting. I'll keep it yes/no to make it easier for you to stay with me.
Is Klay a better shooter than Lebron?
Yes, No, Y or N?
Oh, and like many, you may not understand what "literally" means. Klay is not better at "literally everything" as for sure Korver has been a better FT shooter.
Your question is dumb as hell and something a 3rd grader would ask when in a disagreement. Getting your own shot is PART of being a shooter. Not the whole thing.
You're a complete tool.
Nice deflection and avoidance of my question, but let's make it simple, and try and stay focused as this is about shooting. I'll keep it yes/no to make it easier for you to stay with me.
Is Klay a better shooter than Lebron?
Yes, No, Y or N?
I highlighted what seems to be the tricky part for you this time.
Yes.
Are you a tool? Also yes.
Is klay an exponentially better player and also a better shooter than korver? Yes.
Dude attempts to use a bad game by Klay as evidence for his korver infatuation, and the next game Klay goes off and now he talks about deflections.
Is that you Tom Crean?
Is that you Tom Crean?
You are the one who said getting your own shot is PART of being a shooter, so seems you are smacking yourself around here.
Lebron shoots at a much higher %, and if you weren't already aware, hopefully you have learned Klay is nothing special in getting his own shot. Lebron is pretty good at it.
So how is Klay a better shooter if we use your "logic"?
Dude is using your own "logic" to smack you around. You make it pretty easy.
Dtgold88 - you're right, im wrong.
Korver is the best shooter of all time. Klay Thompson sucks.
Feel better? Literally like arguing with a child.
Korver is the best shooter of all time. Klay Thompson sucks.
Feel better? Literally like arguing with a child.
The child is the one who wont answer a direct question. Do you not even get I never even said Korver was better? Just in the discussion. comical how I just keep shoving your own words right back at you.
Care to explain using your logic how Klay is a better shooter than Lebron? Try and forget Korver for a minute. Weird you say I'm infatuated with him, but you cannot get him out of your mind, isn't it?
If you'd like to avoid deflecting again, sloppy, allow me to assist with your answer....
"my bad, dt. Really was no need for my Yosemite Sam-like name-calling rants. It's true, you never did say Korver was better than Klay.
Also been proven by you and others it's kind of silly to talk about getting one's own shot in a shooting discussion, and clearly I was not aware Klay was no better than Korver in this area anyway."
You're welcome.
"my bad, dt. Really was no need for my Yosemite Sam-like name-calling rants. It's true, you never did say Korver was better than Klay.
Also been proven by you and others it's kind of silly to talk about getting one's own shot in a shooting discussion, and clearly I was not aware Klay was no better than Korver in this area anyway."
You're welcome.
Do you always answer dumb questions? I don't.
This thread is done for me. Have fun dtgold88
I said we agree to disagree, and you restarted it back up.
Yeah, in your position now, I'd be done too. You are pretty much kicking your own ass.
Take care and enjoy the Finals.
Hah okay. Make sure you post the next time you use a game by Klay as proof, only to be followed up by dominating an elimination game going 9-14 from 3pt range.
I thought you were done, but it's also clear reading comp. is not a strong suit. My mentioning Klay's last second miss was not used as proof he was not the better shooter, as (read this a few times) I never said he was not the better shooter. It was that he's not so great at creating his own shot. You were given more definitive proof by big blue on this topic as well.
He could go 14-14 and it wont make him a better creator when nearly all will be catch and shoot and/or wide open.
You can still use this if you want.......
"my bad, dt. Really was no need for my Yosemite Sam-like name-calling rants. It's true, you never did say Korver was better than Klay.
Also been proven by you and others it's kind of silly to talk about getting one's own shot in a shooting discussion, and clearly I was not aware Klay was no better than Korver in this area anyway."
So answer my post with their career stats and show your work. Make your case using the literally thousands of shots they have each put up. I even put a good answer for you right in the stats. Come on, buddy, I know you can do it!
Kyle Korver - 43.1% carrer average 3pt percentage, averages ~ 200 3pt FGA per year
Klay Thompson - 42.2% career average 3pt percentage, averages more than 550 3pt FGA per year
BUDDY.
Klay Thompson - 42.2% career average 3pt percentage, averages more than 550 3pt FGA per year
BUDDY.
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so shooting a lesser % but taking more shots is "proof"?
why talk about shots/year and not total shots in career when looking at career numbers, little buckaroo?
Oh, so your argument is strictly volume. Cool, I guess, if your basketball knowledge is basically the back of a Topps card deep. Per 100 possessions Korver averages 9.1 3s, Klay 10.3. Pretty close. But Korver played his prime and early years in an era with significantly less 3s generally; Korver on Cleveland is basically even with Klay the last couple years despite Korver being past his prime (psst... he also shot slightly better).
Basically, your argument is that Klay plays more, likely due to other factors like defense (which is not shooting). And that's fine; Klay is a better overall player. If you'd made a reasonable argument, like Klay is slightly better at shooting but Korver is still awesome, you'd have a point. But you went with the extreme "isn't even close" take, and you're so obviously wrong that this isn't even fun for me anymore. So continue call in friends, ignore evidence that contradicts your point, and have a great weekend.
Would you say Chauncey Billups and Rashard Lewis are better 3 point shooters than Larry Bird?
Kyle Korver averages ~200 3pt FGA per year? Are you an idiot or is that a typo?
Yeah, more 3pt FGs being shot now than ever before and Korver losing minutes for being such a liability on defense are things worth considering when comparing volume.
Right? I got ~342 on a quick count (5130 attempts / 15 seasons). Klay is at ~527 (3691 / 7). Dude is pretty much fact free, though, so might as well point out irrelevant information. For instance, one of Korver's nicknames is Threezus. Ergo, he must be close to "Big Smokey" Klay.
without looking up any info I would say hard to know, as they probably took a boatload more and the 3 not as prevalent when Bird played..
Then again, I never even said Korver was a better shooter than Klay. What are ya getting at?
Yeah, he was getting crushed in the thread, so figured he should call in his buddies to help. Type of posters who base their comments on the poster, and not the post.
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