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So.........How long before BBN runs Keion out of town....

remember when national threads were a means of gotcha

UNC is the the worst currently, and we're talking about 50's UNC

They are by far the most racist University...currently,
I’m sure there’s some backwoods school in Arkansas that holds that title.
 
Wouldn't knw, but I agree. Don't underestimate the power of hick.

speaking of which, let me plug a book called "I speak hick".

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Laughing....What does that even mean? "This ain't Indiana"? Please elaborate...Something tells me when you do some research, you'll redact that statement...

So, Tubby's numbers ALONE are not good enough...Ok, fine. Though, well, I disagree. But then I guess what you are ALSO saying is that ALONE, Hall's numbers were not good enough. But since he coached under Rupp, then coached at UK, retired from UK, and then stuck around(as a fan), that compensates for his numbers?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. It’s why I brought up Keightly and Ledford earlier in this thread. Your other accomplishments can put you in the rafters and I can certainly see why Hall is up there and Tubby us not. Hall is all about UK, he is imbedded into the program, Tubby is not.

This ain't hard.
 
I mean, really? You are going to use a HOF of a professional sport, as a comparison? A sport that inducts people in, for more than just their athletic contributions?

Also, you do realize that Wilbur Henry was among the FIRST class EVER inducted into the HOF, right? He was a good player. MOF, for the era he played in, he was a very, very good player. He led some very good teams to titles...But his induction also inducted his contributions to what we now know as the NFL.

Does being in the HOF put someone on the same level, as others who were inducted? No. Especially so in professional sports. Because those guys are being evaluated on different scales, eras, and contributions...Of course its silly to think a punter is as good as Jerry Rice. But then, they are not being judge by the same criteria...

That's not so when it comes to coaches and having their names retired, and being in the HOF. If your accomplishments are good enough as a coach, to get you elected to saids schools HOF, then its odd to me those same accomplishments are not good enough to have your name celebrated in the very building you accomplished those feats in...
See, there is a disconnect here. I made no comparison, I'm simply trying to give you an example of the difference between a hall of Fame and how you can have great players in there along with the cream of the crop. At UK, all the great players and coaches go into the hall, but the cream of the crop goes in the rafters.

Again, this ain't hard, I made no comparison to the NFL.
 
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See, there is a disconnect here. I made no comparison, I'm simply trying to give you an example of the difference between a hall of Fame and how you can have great players in there a long with the stream of the crop. At UK, all the great players send coaches go into the hall, but the steam of the crop goes in tho rafters.

Again, this ain't hard, I made no comparison to the NFL.
You used the NFL HOF as an example....But made no comparison...

Are you drunk?
 
You used the NFL HOF as an example....But made no comparison...

Are you drunk?
Wow. No, I did not make a comparison, I'm simply trying to use the NFL's HOF as an example to paint a picture for someone that should be smarter than this.
 
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. It’s why I brought up Keightly and Ledford earlier in this thread. Your other accomplishments can put you in the rafters and I can certainly see why Hall is up there and Tubby us not. Hall is all about UK, he is imbedded into the program, Tubby is not.

This ain't hard.
No, its not hard at all.....Tubby's numbers as a coach were good enough for UK's Athletic HOF, but not good enough for the rafters....What sense does that make?

He won 76% of his games..(263-83)
120-40 in the SEC(75%)
5 SEC reg season titles/5 conference tourney titles
23-9 NCAAT record
Never missed the NCAAT
20-5 record in the SECT
His 35 wins in 1998 was the school record. No one not named Calipari has ever won more.
1 National title
4 Elite 8's...

I mean................What?
 
Wow. No, I did not make a comparison, I'm simply trying to use the NFL's HOF as an example to paint a picture for someone that should be smarter than this.
Really? You used a HOF that inducts multiple positional players....executives...owners...officials, etc, etc...A NATIONAL HOF. As an example? When comparing NFL HOF inductee's, we are not comparing apples to apples. BUT...when choosing a criteria for a coach, it is apples to apples. Its silly to say a ****ing punter is better than a RB...Or a QB....Or a DB. The positions, the requirements, the criteria, the comparisons---ALL DIFFERENT.
When comparing coaches, the comparisons are the same: Winning and Losing. Bob Knight isn't in the HOF because he was a nice guy, who coached somewhere for a long time....He's there because he won 900 ****ing plus basketball games...and three titles. When comparing coaches, they are compared at an equal criteria: WINNING AND LOSING.
 
Wow. No, I did not make a comparison, I'm simply trying to use the NFL's HOF as an example to paint a picture for someone that should be smarter than this.
Maybe this gets Tubby in the rafters? Ya know, since other stuff is important....

When he coached at Kentucky, Smith was very active in the Lexington community. The Tubby Smith Foundation, which he established to assist underprivileged children, raised over $1.5 million in five years.Smith and his wife, Donna, are still active with The TSF in Lexington even though they no longer live in the area. Also, several community centers in the greater Lexington area bear the moniker "Tubby's Klubhouse" due to his work within the centers.
 
Why? He's in the Athletic Hall of Fame at UK...I mean, why put him in the HOF, but not in the rafters?
Don’t you numb nuts get it. This day and time you can not use the terms black man and hang. If UK HUNG a Tubby banner. Rupp would be burned down. The whole country got triggered over a door pull at a NASCAR garage, imagine what would happen if UK were to HANG something pertaining to Tubby. This is where this country is now. One of our own players wants Rupp name change.
 
Don’t you numb nuts get it. This day and time you can not use the terms black man and hang. If UK HUNG a Tubby banner. Rupp would be burned down. The whole country got triggered over a door pull at a NASCAR garage, imagine what would happen if UK were to HANG something pertaining to Tubby. This is where this country is now. One of our own players wants Rupp name change.
Rupp would approve if they did
 
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There are also 57 basketball players in the UK Hall of Fame. There are not 57 names hanging in the rafters.
Dude, c'mon,now....Different criteria...I mean Richie Farmer's jersey is in the Rafters...And it ain't b/c he was some UK great....Same with Sean Woods, and Pelphrey.
Coaches vs Players is a different set of rules...You know this....Right?

Tubby is 4th in wins....4th in winning percentage...Ahead of Rick in wins...Hall in win %.....

We can just agree to disagree...IMO, a coach who won 76% of his games...a national title....5 reg season SEC titles...5 SECT titles...never missed the NCAAT....Went to 4 Elite 8's....And is in said schools HOF, should also have his name in the rafters...JMO.
 
Dude, c'mon,now....Different criteria...I mean Richie Farmer's jersey is in the Rafters...And it ain't b/c he was some UK great....Same with Sean Woods, and Pelphrey.
Coaches vs Players is a different set of rules...You know this....Right?

Tubby is 4th in wins....4th in winning percentage...Ahead of Rick in wins...Hall in win %.....

We can just agree to disagree...IMO, a coach who won 76% of his games...a national title....5 reg season SEC titles...5 SECT titles...never missed the NCAAT....Went to 4 Elite 8's....And is in said schools HOF, should also have his name in the rafters...JMO.
You know why Woods, Pelphrey, and Farmer are there. What about the rest? They don't just put everyone's name up there, like UNC does. Laughing If that were the case guys like Monk, Ulis, and Quickley would be up there too.
 
You know why Woods, Pelphrey, and Farmer are there. What about the rest?
What about the rest? Can you name me a guy in the HOF, that has numbers/career comparable to those names in the rafters,who's jersey should be up there? I mean I can only think of about 6 or 7 guys,who maybe shouldn't be up there....Cliff Barker, Wah-Wah Jones and Kenny Rollins....MAYBE. Those guys jersey's were retired, along with Alex Groza's and Ralph Beards, by Rupp. He honored those 4(all seniors) for winning back to back titles....Then of course there is Woods, Farmer and Pelphrey...

Asides from those guys, I'm not sure anyone can compare ....

As for Tubby? His numbers are very comparable to Halls...Same amount of National titles...Tubby had more overall SEC titles...More NCAAT...never missed the NCAAT(Hall missed it 3x's)...Smith had a better winning percentage..Thirty less wins than Hall...But Joe B also coached 3 more seasons than Smith...

I just think when you put Smiths numbers/accomplishments, next to Joe B's, there is an argument....JMO.
 
Tubbys just never gonna get full credit for his title, fair or not, that’s just how it is. And if a white coach had done the same exact thing in, They wouldn’t either. He came in and won the title, and then UK proceeded to get worse and worse until he left, and then they got worse and worse and worse and worse then they fired billy g. Then they got good quick.

Again not fair, but if you can throw out Jordan and pippen when comparing opposing teams talent, surely you can hypothetically throw out Tubbys first year, with pitinos roster that was coming off a natty and a runner up, look at the results, and conclude he did a decent job at UK but not spectacular.

I mean we agree that Tubby was on the hot seat, to say the very least. Imo he was gonna be fired. How many coaches are hanging in the rafters of the program they were fired from after 10 years?
 
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You’re going to have to get better material. It’s obvious you’re not very good at this.
why? is it embarrassing you? it’s obvious you’re not very good at life you made up a fake one to impress everyone on a message board......and then it blew up in your face very sad.
 
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why? is it embarrassing you? it’s obvious you’re not very good at life you made up a fake one to impress everyone on a message board......and then it blew up in your face very sad.
You’re about 2 years late to the party.
 
What about the rest? Can you name me a guy in the HOF, that has numbers/career comparable to those names in the rafters,who's jersey should be up there? I mean I can only think of about 6 or 7 guys,who maybe shouldn't be up there....Cliff Barker, Wah-Wah Jones and Kenny Rollins....MAYBE. Those guys jersey's were retired, along with Alex Groza's and Ralph Beards, by Rupp. He honored those 4(all seniors) for winning back to back titles....Then of course there is Woods, Farmer and Pelphrey...

Asides from those guys, I'm not sure anyone can compare ....

As for Tubby? His numbers are very comparable to Halls...Same amount of National titles...Tubby had more overall SEC titles...More NCAAT...never missed the NCAAT(Hall missed it 3x's)...Smith had a better winning percentage..Thirty less wins than Hall...But Joe B also coached 3 more seasons than Smith...

I just think when you put Smiths numbers/accomplishments, next to Joe B's, there is an argument....JMO.
Tubby had 5 regular season titles (3 outright). Hall had 8 with 5 outright. Although Hall only had 1 SEC tournament championship, he only coached in 7. There was no SECT in his first 6 seasons. Tubby won it 5 out of 10 times. Tubby also never took his own roster past the EE. Other than Hall's title he was also a runner-up and went to an additional FF. He also won a title as a player (although I use the term "player" very loosely). Also, just because Tubby isn't up there now doesn't mean he never will be. He has only been gone for 13 years. This question was asked recently in House of Blue and the almost everyone, including me, said they believe his name should be in the rafters.
 
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Tubbys just never gonna get full credit for his title, fair or not, that’s just how it is. And if a white coach had done the same exact thing in, They wouldn’t either. He came in and won the title, and then UK proceeded to get worse and worse until he left, and then they got worse and worse and worse and worse then they fired billy g. Then they got good quick.

Again not fair, but if you can throw out Jordan and pippen when comparing opposing teams talent, surely you can hypothetically throw out Tubbys first year, with pitinos roster that was coming off a natty and a runner up, look at the results, and conclude he did a decent job at UK but not spectacular.

I mean we agree that Tubby was on the hot seat, to say the very least. Imo he was gonna be fired. How many coaches are hanging in the Rafters of the program they were fired from after 10 years?
Tubby was a good coach and a great guy, but he was a lazy ass recruiter. He liked to put all his eggs in one basket and if he didn't get those few players he focused on he was left with guys like Sheray Thomas, Bobby Perry, Shagari Alleyne, Lukasz Obrzut, Adam Williams, Jared Carter, Mark freakin' Coury, and Michael Porter. Tubby wouldn't have been fired the season he left for Minnesota, but another mediocre season and he likely would have been. It was funny how stoked Minny was to get him, then by the time he was halfway though his tenure they had the same gripes UK fans did. Laughing
 
No, its not hard at all.....Tubby's numbers as a coach were good enough for UK's Athletic HOF, but not good enough for the rafters....What sense does that make?

He won 76% of his games..(263-83)
120-40 in the SEC(75%)
5 SEC reg season titles/5 conference tourney titles
23-9 NCAAT record
Never missed the NCAAT
20-5 record in the SECT
His 35 wins in 1998 was the school record. No one not named Calipari has ever won more.
1 National title
4 Elite 8's...

I mean................What?
You have your right to an opinion, it’s wrong, but you have your right.
It’s pretty simple really, if UK's HOF and retired jerseys in the rafters were the same, they wouldn't have both, for some reason, you think they are the same.
 
Really? You used a HOF that inducts multiple positional players....executives...owners...officials, etc, etc...A NATIONAL HOF. As an example? When comparing NFL HOF inductee's, we are not comparing apples to apples. BUT...when choosing a criteria for a coach, it is apples to apples. Its silly to say a ****ing punter is better than a RB...Or a QB....Or a DB. The positions, the requirements, the criteria, the comparisons---ALL DIFFERENT.
When comparing coaches, the comparisons are the same: Winning and Losing. Bob Knight isn't in the HOF because he was a nice guy, who coached somewhere for a long time....He's there because he won 900 ****ing plus basketball games...and three titles. When comparing coaches, they are compared at an equal criteria: WINNING AND LOSING.
Dude, did Ashton Kutcher take over your account? Am I being punked? May God man
 
Maybe this gets Tubby in the rafters? Ya know, since other stuff is important....

When he coached at Kentucky, Smith was very active in the Lexington community. The Tubby Smith Foundation, which he established to assist underprivileged children, raised over $1.5 million in five years.Smith and his wife, Donna, are still active with The TSF in Lexington even though they no longer live in the area. Also, several community centers in the greater Lexington area bear the moniker "Tubby's Klubhouse" due to his work within the centers.
Take your argument to the committee, you can find them in rupp arena on a manlift with a pair of scissors cutting down all the retired jerseys of all the black players that are up there, you know, because they're racists and all.
 
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