Your problem is like to embellish. No one said anything about anything about unanimous anything. The question was if Virginia beats Duke, should have move to #1 in the polls.It’s not a yes or no. I don’t think Michigan OR Virginia necessarily should be the unanimous #1. I think both would be a fair #1.
@jhmossy liked stating that you would be ok with the Virginia move up to #1. What a shocker...
Undefeated UVA with top ten wins over VPI and on the road against Duke in one week should be #1. No question in my mind.
I'm curious about the harder schedule comment here.
Gonzaga has played both TN and Duke and is 1-1. Both of those team are higher ranked than any team Mich state has played. KU is the highest ranked team MSU has played and they lost. The next highest team is in the 20s.
So Gonzaga has played a more top heavy schedule including Duke, TN, UNC, Creighton. Meanwhile MSU has played less of the top but more teams in the 20-50 range.
You continue to cite SOS in this argument. Which is a better display? Playing more top 15 teams and actually winning? Or beating more 20-50 ranked teams and elevating your SOS?
SOS isn't the end all metric and should only be part of the conversation. Personally, I think beating a top 5 Duke should end all arguments here and have Gonz ahead of MSU.
Virginia already beat Wisconsin. Just saying...Is beating a depleted Duke (kenpom #2) team enough to say Virginia is undeniably better than Michigan who in this scenario would be beating kenpom #16 Wisconsin? Maybe, maybe not. I don’t think one “should” be higher than the other. I think it’s fair to still think Michigan would be better and I think it’s fair to think Virginia would better.
Virginia already beat Wisconsin. Just saying...
LOL. In case you missed it we have President Trump now. You really waited 15 years to post this? LolVirginia already beat Wisconsin. Just saying...
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LOL. In case you missed it we have President Trump now. You really waited 15 years to post this? Lol
I didn’t read his post till after I posted, my deepest apologies. I still hate Tennessee
Are you like Hails parrot?
I can't get over MSU and Tenn being over KU. They beat both of those teams.
Kenpom is trash.Which is my point entirely. "Strength of schedule" is inherently flawed because it isn't weighted properly. Teams get more SOS value for beating a #150 cupcake than a #250 cupcake when at the end of the day they are both cupcakes.
Della is the one grasping on firmly to the strength of schedule fallacy, so I'm asking her to be consistent. Kenpom ranks MSU's schedule significantly higher than Gonzaga's. If she is going to use SOS as to why undefeated Virginia > undefeated Michigan, then she should carry that logic to MSU vs Gonzaga.
No need to apologize, you are what you are.I didn’t read his post till after I posted, my deepest apologies. I still hate Tennessee
No, Michigan goes to number 1 if soShould Duke remain number 1 if they beat Virginia?
No, Michigan goes to number 1 if so
Kenpom is trash.
Don't let this one guy bring UK into it.Why, because it's rankings don't start with Kentucky and then Mac McClung?
I appreciate your love for Mac McClung amd Kentucky.Why, because it's rankings don't start with Kentucky and then Mac McClung?
Hey watch it! Leave McClung out of it. The boy is a straight up baller. POY is in his young future, Book it.Why, because it's rankings don't start with Kentucky and then Mac McClung?
They lost to an unranked team, no.Should Duke remain number 1 if they beat Virginia?
If they beat Va without Tre then they should be number 1.They lost to an unranked team, no.
I disagree, Duke would have two losses. Your team is what it is when you play the game, names have no bearing. I would put UM as #1 with UT a close #2. However, I think UT would beat UM head to head.If they beat Va without Tre then they should be number 1.
I hesitate to answer your post Della. You seem to change the post to wording that supports your position and then reply. Not very nice on your part.I disagree, Duke would have two losses. Your team is what it is when you play the game, names have no bearing. I would put UM as #1 with UT a close #2. However, I think UT would beat UM head to head.
I won't deny, I can be a little word tricksey. However, being #1 requires more than just a team that can knock another's lights out on a given night. They are also required to be consistent. Losing 2 games would not be demonstrating consistency this early in the season. IMO.I hesitate to answer your post Della. You seem to change the post to wording that supports your position and then reply. Not very nice on your part.
Is that really true?
Specifically Tom glavine and Greg madduxPretty sure ... ESPN told me so for over a decade. Winking
Loved them and Smoltz.Specifically Tom glavine and Greg maddux
Being a Braves fan in the 90’s was like being on a roller coaster watching them be so good during the regular season then losing in the postseason. They could’ve/should’ve had several more World Series Titles.Loved them and Smoltz.
My oldest's middle name is Maddux.
Insane those ATL teams only won one WS.
Being a Braves fan in the 90’s was like being on a roller coaster watching them be so good during the regular season then losing in the postseason. They could’ve/should’ve had several more World Series Titles.
Is that really true?
20It's irrelevant to the thread but I do want to point out that it was a 5 point loss to #1 at-the-time Kansas in the first game of the year, and an OT loss at Louisville. MSU has over UCLA, Texas, Iowa, @Florida, @Ohio State, and Purdue. Unfortunately all of our key wins and two losses have come to teams that haven't lived up to their expectations or rankings at the time.
MSU will no doubt jump Gonzaga if they both continue to win, I was mostly originally just asking how many more wins that would take.
Similar to Kansas.Being a Braves fan in the 90’s was like being on a roller coaster watching them be so good during the regular season then losing in the postseason. They could’ve/should’ve had several more World Series Titles.
Atlanta BravesSimilar to Kansas.