Should Syracuse, Louisville, Notre Dame and Pitt return to Big East?

[thebasketballreasons]

These teams used to be powerhouses in the Big East a decade ago, they were making perennial tournament appearances and were usually high seeds in March. Since leaving Big East, they havent mesh well with ACC. The programs decline over time, and they became ever mediocre compared to what they used to be 10 years ago. Perhaps they are just unfit for ACC and should make a comeback to Big East? UConn returned to Big East recently and they started to make tournament appearances again.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

Syracuse in the ACC is idiotic. Makes about as much sense as West Virginia in the Big 12 .

 

[jhmossy]

Hope not. Those 4 teams provide UVA anywhere between 4-8 wins each season.

 

[brooky03]

Lots of factors other than conference affiliation. Pitt was good because of Dixon. He left. Cuse was good until the death penalty from the NCAA for a foreigner not being able to read/write English and kids smoking weed. Louisville had Rick’s shenanigans and he left.

Notre Dame is the one that could maybe make a case that the conference switch has been a problem, but they weren’t usually dominating the Big East.

In short, there’s no reason to return to the Big East.

 

[brooky03]

Syracuse in the ACC is idiotic. Makes about as much sense as West Virginia in the Big 12 .

The ACC wanted the Northeast market. Geographically, sure, it’s a bit of a stretch but less so than a few other teams in the conference.

Syracuse delivers probably the largest northeast fan base, backed by tv ratings. It makes sense in terms of money, and that’s what matters.

 

[RR30]

They moved for money so nah

 

[brooky03]

Football is what drives the decision making, anyway. In a hypothetical where these schools could get out of their ACC contracts, there would need to be financial incentive on the football side.

The Big East would have a bloated basketball conference and a meager football conference that would struggle to draw much interest from fans or for bowl games. They’d have to find a way to get all of the old Big East teams back in football. Never say never but that’s not an uphill battle, that’s an up-mountain battle.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

The ACC wanted the Northeast market. Geographically, sure, it’s a bit of a stretch but less so than a few other teams in the conference.

Syracuse delivers probably the largest northeast fan base, backed by tv ratings. It makes sense in terms of money, and that’s what matters.

It doesn't make sense for Syracuse. Geographically, rivalry-wise, throwing away decades of traditional rivals. Just stupid anyway you look at it other than adding a few bucks to the ACC and a few football bucks to Syracuse.

 

[brooky03]

It doesn't make sense for Syracuse. Geographically, rivalry-wise, throwing away decades of traditional rivals. Just stupid anyway you look at it other than adding a few bucks to the ACC and a few football bucks to Syracuse.

I miss the tradition and rivalries as much as anyone, but it was more than a few bucks. The Big East had the chance to make moves to survive but failed to do anything for the sake of the non-football schools. The Big East blew it.

Syracuse wouldn’t survive on the football side as an independent or in a conference of random nobodies. The school’s hands were tied. The Big East was already stretched out geographically when they left, so the slightly longer plane rides weren’t a big deal.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

I miss the tradition and rivalries as much as anyone, but it was more than a few bucks. The Big East had the chance to make moves to survive but failed to do anything for the sake of the non-football schools. The Big East blew it.

Syracuse wouldn’t survive on the football side as an independent or in a conference of random nobodies. The school’s hands were tied. The Big East was already stretched out geographically when they left, so the slightly longer plane rides weren’t a big deal.

As a basketball fan who couldn't care less about football it really bothered me to see Cuse go the ACC and basically have their balls chopped off till they come out of nowhere in the tourney every once in a while. Other than those runs you never hear about the Cuse anymore except when Boeheim is out murdering people.

In the old days there was nothing better than the rivalry games at the dome.

 

[rockycard]

Syracuse in the ACC is idiotic. Makes about as much sense as West Virginia in the Big 12 .

Or a team from Chicago in the Big East.

 

[WeAreDePaul]

Or a team from Chicago in the Big East.

makes more sense than a team in Omaha Nebraska. Or a team in Milwaukee.

Edit: Actually with Butler, DePaul, Creighton and Marquette it isn't nearly as offensive as Cuse and WVA being nowhere near any other team in their conference. Except Boston College I guess.

 

[hawkit3113]

Football is King

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood]

Football is King

Elvis

 

[mkuwonder]

In a perfect world WVU would be in the ACC..WVU is a solid basketball school, and they have one of the most heated rivalries with Pitt/VT in football.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

We will see what happens..
ACC haphazardly expanded.

The ACC Network is the key. Can the network provide the needed money to compete.
ACC has a huge target on their chest right now from the SEC.

Some of these schools who aren't bringing in the $$$$ but are taking it from UNC, Florida State and Clemson can be expendable.

But the ACC is locked into a Grant of Rights through their network. Only way teams can leave is a huge buyout or for their network to be cancelled.


Schools like Syracuse and possibly Pitt won't have value. So they could go back to the Big East.
Possibly be Independent in FBS Football.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

In a perfect world WVU would be in the ACC..WVU is a solid basketball school, and they have one of the most heated rivalries with Pitt/VT in football.

They are bringing in more money than their ACC rivals right now.
So they are improving their facilities.
WVU has the same problem as those ACC schools...

The B1G. Penn State, Maryland and Rutgers.

 

[brooky03]

We will see what happens..
ACC haphazardly expanded.

The ACC Network is the key. Can the network provide the needed money to compete.
ACC has a huge target on their chest right now from the SEC.

Some of these schools who aren't bringing in the $$$$ but are taking it from UNC, Florida State and Clemson can be expendable.

But the ACC is locked into a Grant of Rights through their network. Only way teams can leave is a huge buyout or for their network to be cancelled.


Schools like Syracuse and possibly Pitt won't have value. So they could go back to the Big East.
Possibly be Independent in FBS Football.

Not sure about Pitt but Cuse basketball is one of the most profitable in the country and Cuse football still makes decent money.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Not sure about Pitt but Cuse basketball is one of the most profitable in the country and Cuse football still makes decent money.

The issue with basketball is that the NCAA makes all the $$$$ off the sport.

If they can change basketball like they did football Syracuse becomes a lot more valuable.

Ultimately we could be heading that way. Reason why a lot of schools who didn't care about basketball see the $$$$.

Regular season TV rights for basketball don't bring in the money that football does...
But if we start seeing the Power conferences break away from the NCAA. That will mean that they can make the money off the sport. Possibly even more than football.

For the ACC that is probably best case scenario.
Would help the conference out immensely.
But the issue is that the SEC sees the same thing..The SEC wants a N Carolina school. Most likely NC State.

 

[Ikibari]

Syracuse in the ACC is idiotic. Makes about as much sense as West Virginia in the Big 12 .

That and I really miss Maryland in the ACC. Syracuse v Pitt or Georgetown and Maryland v Duke was as must see cbb as there was for a good while. Now I can barely watch games involving any of those teams (just nothing much compelling about them now).

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

Syracuse is the straw that stirs the drink in the Northeast for Basketball.

Problem is that Penn State is the straw that stirs the drink in the Northeast for Football.

Penn State was told no by the Big East. Their basketball wasn't good enough.
Plus they tried to create the Eastern Conference.

It blows my mind...
Not to mention that the ACC had a chance to get Penn State. But they didn't feel like it was the correct fit
Florida St was. Not because of their football program. But because the connection to Thomas Jefferson at Florida State

 

[Scotty00]

I think they should. Makes no sense for Syracuse to be in the ACC and plus they just belong in the Big East. Just makes sense.

 

[SheriffBufordTJustice]

$$$$$$.

Syracuse values other sports besides basketball.

UCONN was left behind. Killed their basketball Program on the men's side. A little on the women's side but definitely not as much as on the men's side.

UCONN could make the decision to go back to the Big East. But even they had to make a decision and say football didn't matter.




We will see what happens...
ACC Network is the question. Can it provide them with enough revenue to compete.

Because some of their schools have to compete with the SEC. SEC has a big payday coming for their first tier rights.


A school like Syracuse or Boston College could be left behind as well....
If the ACC doesn't have the revenue

 

[Villian07]

I’m more worried about scrapping the ncaa than the ACC.

 

[tw3301]

Big East doesn't have football so no.