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Purdue President Mitch Daniels nails NCAA

Literally nothing I have ever post here, or even what has been proposed here, equates to what you are saying. Seriously...

Nobody is saying you can't recruit OAD's. Go for it. Just understand that you will have a short roster if you do NOTHING BUT recruit OAD's. It's not a hard concept. See we have this thing called a school, and oddly enough, some of us believe they need to act like one. Recruit some OAD's, nobody is stopping you, but we want you to still have a majority of student athletes on the roster. That's all.

Just think it opens itself up to that. Convincing kids not to go instead of encouraging them. I'd much rather see a mandated 2-3 year rule. With the g-league to continue to grow to let those who want to play pro instead of school, let them go make money.
 
Just think it opens itself up to that. Convincing kids not to go instead of encouraging them. I'd much rather see a mandated 2-3 year rule. With the g-league to continue to grow to let those who want to play pro instead of school, let them go make money.

I like the baseball model honestly. If kids can go straight out of high school to the NBA, that should be allowed. If they choose to go to college, it needs to be at least 2 years. Thoughts?
 
I like the baseball model honestly. If kids can go straight out of high school to the NBA, that should be allowed. If they choose to go to college, it needs to be at least 2 years. Thoughts?


I agree 100%. Go pro out of high school or stay at least 2 years in college.
 
Why are you guys so insecure? You have an outstanding team this year. I know a girl who is a Purdue grad and she isn't like you guys at all (thank goodness). These 'facts' you reference sound familiar. I remember all the 'facts' being mentioned for years. Then all of those 'facts' were not actually as they were reported by some. Being a former politician doesn't help your case here. I mean, they are the one group known the most for being dishonest and framing thing for their own selfish interests. So I would say the former governor is saying things not at all surprising, considering that is who he is.

I can say I know a Purdue girl that doesn’t act like you guys. When one makes a statement like that or similar the FOS flag comes up.


LOL. Looks like you just friendly fired your boy.


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I like the baseball model honestly. If kids can go straight out of high school to the NBA, that should be allowed. If they choose to go to college, it needs to be at least 2 years. Thoughts?

I'm a huge fan of this (iirc baseball is 3 years, right?). Nba would hate it, but makes a ton of sense. And maybe bump up the d league salaries to 100k+ a year so it's reasonably attractive to kids that have no desire to go to college
 
I agree 100%. Go pro out of high school or stay at least 2 years in college.

Exactly. It was interesting because I grew up in the Indy area and went to high school with Josh McRoberts. I know there was a debate as to whether he’d go pro or play at Duke. But my class (06) was the first that you had to go at least one year. If it hadn’t changed, I’m guessing both Greg Oden and Mike Conley (who played against us in conference) would’ve skipped and gone straight pro.
 
I just explained the effect to you. Are you slow? Your plan has the same effect as saying "you can't". Man, you do have an arrogance problem. By what right do you get to tell a kid what school can take them? Don't start your "no one said UK couldn't give them a scholarship" nonsense. You skip around that with each of your "academic" answers.
Again, what about all the kids that aren't recruited by KY? Do you believe it's the same thing as saying "you can't"? Your argument is soft. You aren't saying no to these kids, you are telling the university to act like a university and have a majority of student athletes as originally intended. This isn't a D league. If you want that then go start one and let all these kids play for you.

Look at college football. It's a much better product BECAUSE kids stay at least 3 years. You'd have a similar effect on basketball.
 
Just think it opens itself up to that. Convincing kids not to go instead of encouraging them. I'd much rather see a mandated 2-3 year rule. With the g-league to continue to grow to let those who want to play pro instead of school, let them go make money.
You will never have a mandated 2-3 year rule without the NBA putting it into place. There isn't much the NCAA can do about it, but this is one thing they CAN do. Otherwise I agree with you.
 
I like the baseball model honestly. If kids can go straight out of high school to the NBA, that should be allowed. If they choose to go to college, it needs to be at least 2 years. Thoughts?
Again, I totally agree with this, but also once again, how will the NCAA force that to happen without the NBA making that a rule?
 
They were easy classes not fake. If they were fake SACS wouldn't have deemed them legit. The NCAA can't say what classes are legit or not and UNC told them so in so many words.
Exactly, that was the loophole. As long as other students could take it, there wasn't anything the NCAA could do. That doesn't mean that what UNC did was ethically right. That's the entire argument.

Other students could take them because they were simply classes for anyone to take instead of classes to keep athletes eligible (like some still somehow claim). That is the issue people don’t seem able to grasp. The issue isn’t that others could take them (of course they could) it is that the NCAA isn’t dumb enough to start dictating what universities can and can’t do academically.
 
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Again, what about all the kids that aren't recruited by KY? Do you believe it's the same thing as saying "you can't"? Your argument is soft. You aren't saying no to these kids, you are telling the university to act like a university and have a majority of student athletes as originally intended. This isn't a D league. If you want that then go start one and let all these kids play for you.

Look at college football. It's a much better product BECAUSE kids stay at least 3 years. You'd have a similar effect on basketball.
You post like an egghead. Do you understand reality? If a rule prevents a school from recruiting a kid, it isn't a decision by the school but by the governing body. Your plan is the very definition of arbitrary and capricious. Let's look at it another way Mr. Genius, what you are really saying is one of two things. Either you intentionally treat certain student-athletes differently than the rest (bias), or you are saying that if a kid leaves a school, that scholarship is locked for the players remaining eligibility. If you or your president think the first is valid, I feel sorry for your lack of intellect. If you or your president think the second is valid, you're a joke and college sports will laugh at you.

Neither one WILL EVER happen. If you don't agree, I really don't care what you think. (See how that works)
 
Doubt his outlook would be the same if Purdue was racking up a few Caleb Swanigans in every recruiting class.
Spot on Kevin. It is amazing how one's view changes, or would change, if it were their school raking in the talent that Duke and UK does.
 
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It's getting out of hand. Apparently Duke is telling these kids the Earth is flat. I have a feeling some of the Duke faculty may be in cahoots with UNC faculty.
In all fairness, here is the diference, IMO. How the two coaches are/were perceived by the media, fans, etc, etc...You have K who's never had any serious NCAA sanctions The "face" of how a CBB program should be ran". yadda, yadda, yadda....Now rather or not that is deserved, is irrelevant. What is relevant, is how he is viewed.

Then on the other hand, well, you have Cal. A very brash, outspoken and TBH, very arrogant coach. A terrific coach, yes. But...........I mean he does have that persona to carry. Then add he's coached at two programs that were sanctioned, forced to vacate win and seasons. And well now you see why the two are viewed differently. Even though both have done the same exact thing: Recruit the OAD.

Fair or not, it is what it is. I mean sometimes Kev, Cal doesn't do his reputation any favors. Ya know what I mean?
 
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In all fairness, here is the diference, IMO. How the two coaches are/were perceived by the media, fans, etc, etc...You have K who's never had any serious NCAA sanctions The "face" of how a CBB program should be ran". yadda, yadda, yadda....Now rather or not that is deserved, is irrelevant. What is relevant, is how he is viewed.

Then on the other hand, well, you have Cal. A very brash, outspoken and TBH, very arrogant coach. A terrific coach, yes. But...........I mean he does have that persona to carry. Then add he's coached at two programs that were sanctioned, forced to vacate win and seasons. And well now you see why the two are viewed differently. Even though both have done the same exact thing: Recruit the OAD.

Fair or not, it is what it is. I mean sometimes Kev, Cal doesn't do his reputation any favors. Ya know what I mean?
Marcus Camby and Derrick Rose in a steel cage match against Corey Maggette and Lance Thomas. Who ya got?
 
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You post like an egghead. Do you understand reality? If a rule prevents a school from recruiting a kid, it isn't a decision by the school but by the governing body. Your plan is the very definition of arbitrary and capricious. Let's look at it another way Mr. Genius, what you are really saying is one of two things. Either you intentionally treat certain student-athletes differently than the rest (bias), or you are saying that if a kid leaves a school, that scholarship is locked for the players remaining eligibility. If you or your president think the first is valid, I feel sorry for your lack of intellect. If you or your president think the second is valid, you're a joke and college sports will laugh at you.

Neither one WILL EVER happen. If you don't agree, I really don't care what you think. (See how that works)
Yes I do understand reality. I don't think you understand what I'm truly saying we need to fix.
 
Other students could take them because they were simply classes for anyone to take instead of classes to keep athletes eligible (like some still somehow claim). That is the issue people don’t seem able to grasp. The issue isn’t that others could take them (of course they could) it is that the NCAA isn’t dumb enough to start dictating what universities can and can’t do academically.
Did you even read the independent investigation report? When the classes were canceled the academic department had a meeting with coaches and created a power point specifically stating in bold letters, "THESE CLASSES ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE". If they weren't there to benefit athletes, then why would they need to do this?

In the report it was stated that student athletes taking these classes would get an on average grade of 3.6 while the gpa on the rest of their classes was a 1.9. Either this was the easiest class in the world, or it's as we have all been stating. It was a joke of a class to bolster gpa's.
 
Other students could take them because they were simply classes for anyone to take instead of classes to keep athletes eligible (like some still somehow claim). That is the issue people don’t seem able to grasp. The issue isn’t that others could take them (of course they could) it is that the NCAA isn’t dumb enough to start dictating what universities can and can’t do academically.
Did you even read the independent investigation report? When the classes were canceled the academic department had a meeting with coaches and created a power point specifically stating in bold letters, "THESE CLASSES ARE NO LONGER AVAILABLE". If they weren't there to benefit athletes, then why would they need to do this?

In the report it was stated that student athletes taking these classes would get an on average grade of 3.6 while the gpa on the rest of their classes was a 1.9. Either this was the easiest class in the world, or it's as we have all been stating. It was a joke of a class to bolster gpa's.

I mean, if a class is easy it will boost GPAs. That is kind of why they are called easy classes. No doubt this is why some they ok them. Your stating of the relationship as either/or is nonsense. It allows only for your opinion to be considered. Kind of what I expect at this point when these discussions happen though.
 
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I mean, if a class is easy it will boost GPAs. That is kind of why they are called easy classes. No doubt this is why some they ok them. Your stating of the relationship as either/or is nonsense. It allows only for your opinion to be considered. Kind of what I expect at this point when these discussions happen though.
When a class is so easy that they basically don't have to do anything, yeah that's a problem.
 
When a class is so easy that they basically don't have to do anything, yeah that's a problem.

And 5 years prior to that PowerPoint slide, the athletics dept informed the academics people about the existence of these classes and that they weren't up to snuff. The academics people told the athletics people that what goes on in classes is not the concern of stupid jocks.

Bet you weren't aware of that little fact, were you? That the very first red flag about AFAM was raised by the athletics people?

This always was an academics issue and the primary cause was that no liberal professor or professor committee was going to call out AFAM for anything, even having an unscrupulous head of dept and secretary who corrupted the whole thing.

But y'all keep on believing what you want. I'm just going to point at banners and laugh at those of you who think politicians are the voice of moral authority.
 
Yes I do understand reality. I don't think you understand what I'm truly saying we need to fix.
I'm saying your "fix" is ludicrous. I'm also asking you why you think it needs to be fixed. Who are you to say a kid isn't interested in both an education and a basketball career. Who are you to try to manipulate how and when he leaves school. I'll say again, I don't like the OAD but you and your president are off the charts arrogant in thinking you need to punish both players and schools for recruiting OAD's.

You do realize college is a prep farm, readying kids for a chosen career. It isn't so much about "education" as it is preparation.
Heaven forbid basketball players go to the school/program/coach who they believe best prepares them for their career. Again and for the last time, your plan is idiotic. It is punitive. It is arbitrary. It will NEVER EVER happen.
 
And 5 years prior to that PowerPoint slide, the athletics dept informed the academics people about the existence of these classes and that they weren't up to snuff. The academics people told the athletics people that what goes on in classes is not the concern of stupid jocks.

Bet you weren't aware of that little fact, were you? That the very first red flag about AFAM was raised by the athletics people?

This always was an academics issue and the primary cause was that no liberal professor or professor committee was going to call out AFAM for anything, even having an unscrupulous head of dept and secretary who corrupted the whole thing.

But y'all keep on believing what you want. I'm just going to point at banners and laugh at those of you who think politicians are the voice of moral authority.
Who gives a shit who informed whom. It's all within the same school organization was it not?
 
I'm saying your "fix" is ludicrous. I'm also asking you why you think it needs to be fixed. Who are you to say a kid isn't interested in both an education and a basketball career. Who are you to try to manipulate how and when he leaves school. I'll say again, I don't like the OAD but you and your president are off the charts arrogant in thinking you need to punish both players and schools for recruiting OAD's.

You do realize college is a prep farm, readying kids for a chosen career. It isn't so much about "education" as it is preparation.
Heaven forbid basketball players go to the school/program/coach who they believe best prepares them for their career. Again and for the last time, your plan is idiotic. It is punitive. It is arbitrary. It will NEVER EVER happen.

How in any way shape or form is the proposed fix telling a kid how and when to leave a school? There is nothing that says a kid can't still leave after one year. It's telling the school that they can't fill their entire program with kids that aren't getting degrees. You are putting restraints on the schools, not the kids. How is it so hard to comprehend this?

You cannot get a degree after one year, no matter how good of standing you are in with the school. It's about making the student athlete actually mean something again at ALL schools, as intended. That's why they are called SCHOOLS.

Calling the idea idiotic is well, idiotic. Punitive? Maybe to the college that wants nothing bot OAD's, but not to the individuals. Your argument on that point is absolutely false. These kids may believe that one certain coach is best for them to develop, but I think they need to take a look at statistics and see how many OAD's actually make it and do well at the next level. Arbitrary? Ummm... ok? How so?

Do you have a better idea? If so lets hear it. The NBA would have to change their rules to the likes of the NFL to really fix the problem. I don't see that happening. The baseball rule is probably best. Go after high school, if not stay for at least 2-3 years.
 
Because it's a sham? Just a thought.

UK and Duke are taking advantage of a situation created by the NBA and the NCAA provides provisions for it. To say its a sham is just ignorance on your part. Universities are suppose to help prepare people for careers. I see nothing wrong for players wanting to pursue their dream. UK and Duke are helping these kids with the transition. Don't blame the schools that benefit from something they didn't set in place. And when it changes, and it will you think your school can compete with UK, Duke, KU, UNC and the like for recruits? Those schools will still be dominate in getting the best players available. Don't think changing the rules levels the playing field.
 
Who gives a shit who informed whom. It's all within the same school organization was it not?

Let me make sure I get this straight.

You think if the athletics dept raises red flags about a curriculum and is told by the academics to shut up, that therefore a conspiracy exists to keep athletes eligible?
 
UK and Duke are taking advantage of a situation created by the NBA and the NCAA provides provisions for it. To say its a sham is just ignorance on your part. Universities are suppose to help prepare people for careers. I see nothing wrong for players wanting to pursue their dream. UK and Duke are helping these kids with the transition. Don't blame the schools that benefit from something they didn't set in place. And when it changes, and it will you think your school can compete with UK, Duke, KU, UNC and the like for recruits? Those schools will still be dominate in getting the best players available. Don't think changing the rules levels the playing field.
I'm not blaming the schools - I'm just of the camp that believes a college's primary function is to educate people academically - not provide entertainment or generate cash thru sports. It's out of hand and to claim that the NCAA's main function is to promote education of student athletes is a sham.
 
Let me make sure I get this straight.

You think if the athletics dept raises red flags about a curriculum and is told by the academics to shut up, that therefore a conspiracy exists to keep athletes eligible?
Do you think it's still cheating if a booster is paying players go to their school of choice? I'd hope you'd say yes. Cheating is cheating. The school in it's entirety is responsible.
 
When a class is so easy that they basically don't have to do anything, yeah that's a problem.

I mean, they did have to do stuff. It just wasn't graded very hard. Regardless, if that is a problem then there are problems with your school as well. I feel like some of you don't know much about college.

Who gives a shit who informed whom. It's all within the same school organization was it not?

Didn't you say it was to keep athletes eligible? The NCAA deals with the athletic side of things. Academics told athletics to mind their own business. It was an issue for them but they were too arrogant to address it. Then when it came down they were embarrassed and tried to save face. The issue was always oversight in academia, which was fixed. The issue was never some grand scheme to keep athletes eligible.
 
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