How in any way is this punishing the OAD's? There's nothing stopping them from leaving after one year. All this would do is deter a handfull of schools from recruiting nothing but OAD's and make them actually be academically responsible (UNC).
Purdue President Mitch Daniels nails NCAA
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Taking a shot at UNC is a bitch move but your president’s argument should be with the NBA. Duke and UK are playing by the rules when it comes to OAD and if Purdue was getting a share of them I doubt seriously he wouldn’t said nothing about it. Sounds to me like sour grapes on you guys part.
Literally nothing I have ever post here, or even what has been proposed here, equates to what you are saying. Seriously...
Nobody is saying you can't recruit OAD's. Go for it. Just understand that you will have a short roster if you do NOTHING BUT recruit OAD's. It's not a hard concept. See we have this thing called a school, and oddly enough, some of us believe they need to act like one. Recruit some OAD's, nobody is stopping you, but we want you to still have a majority of student athletes on the roster. That's all.
I usually agree with a lot of things you write, but I totally disagree with a compensation model. That would be a slippery slope. They already ARE compensated btw. Getting out of school with ZERO debt is a huge leg up on the rest of the world and they get free food, housing, training, etc etc.
The point of the scholarship rule would be to force a school to act like a school. What a novel concept. OAD's can still be recruited, but you shouldn't have a school with a bunch of kids with zero intent on getting an education. There could be factors that allow the scholarships to be freed. For example as someone stated above, if someone continues to take classes even though they left early, or if they transfer. It doesn't have to be cut an dry.
Sorry but you're an idiot. I don't usually name call, but seriously. If you don't understand by now that your school has really tarnished the image of the NCAA and the entire OAD scene isn't good for CBB as it sits then you should just look for somewhere else to play.
If Purdue were getting their share of OAD's I would still be making this argument. I don't like the product it creates. We're better off getting a Caleb Swanigan and surrounding them with upperclassmen than a team full of OAD's.
Fair enough. I certainly respect the fact that there are strong feelings on both sides of this issue.
I guess my perspective comes as someone who was able to get most of my grad school paid for with a scholarship as a graduate assistant in my department while also getting a decent check every two weeks. Why should I be able to do that for an academic skill set but basketball players couldn't do the same? In both cases, a student is getting an education with significantly fewer out-of-pocket expenses while also getting compensated for the value added to the school and individual program.
I see where you are coming from, but I just don't think it would work out very well when it comes to sports. Where do you draw the line? How do you detect those that are getting extra improper benefits from those getting the norm? It would be so hard to police and the schools or people around those schools willing to cheat would do so with less threat of detection.
Totally agreed. I definitely don't have the answer to those questions - and they would need to be answered before any compensation model could be implemented - but I think even in the face of those risks, it's a worthwhile endeavor.
So because you don't have any standards you assume that I wouldn't if I were in your shoes? LOGIC!
I will give you this. The whole scandal was embarrassing to all UNC fans, not a good look at all but we’re not going to apologize for the end result. The problem is everyone wants us to feel embarrassed and ashamed and that’s not going to happen and that pisses you off. This was a academic issue from the beginning and we as fans tried to tell you that. SACS slapped us with probation. Things that were broken were fixed. So if we aren’t feeling the way you think we should feel that’s on you.
Just saying that is actually what most non-UNC people would hope for.
And I think most fans would likely be taking about the same stance the UNC fans are taking if it happened at their school, Duke fans included.
Most did. There were a few that deflected and then started attacking as a defense mechanism.
I don’t remember anyone saying it wasn’t embarrassing to the university. We also never attacked until certain people made ridiculous claims and attacked first. The arguing was always over trying to turn it into something it wasn’t. We ended up being correct there so hindsight should be relevant here. People didn’t care about academics, just taking down UNC because they didn’t like them(just as they do with Kentucky and others).
Yea, I don't think you guys instigated it. And I was the first to admit UNC came out on top of that whole thing.
You're right. We all said it was a academic issue and it wasn't a good look. Many on here choose to say otherwise.
I couldn't care less how you feel. Honestly.
If it were me, I'd be embarrassed, even if the issues were resolved. I most definitely wouldn't be out there trying to defend my school at every single condescending remark either. It's not a good look and would make me look as if I condone the actions done.
So, my question would be, do you and the other UNC fans here that continually and adamantly defend the school condone what they did?
What did we do? Something tells me you didn't follow this as closely as you should.
We don’t defend what happened. We defend the incorrect opinions about what happened. Like aw said, pretty sure you don’t really know much about it.
Laughing at the Purdue fans ITT acting like their athletic programs have never been caught cheating.
Didn’t Purdue’s WBB team get in trouble for an assistant coach writing papers for players?
Didn’t Purdue’s WBB team get in trouble for an assistant coach writing papers for players?
Please show where any Purdue fan says we never got in trouble. I think you will find that if questioned on it, most would show disgust in what happened there or any other time the school got into trouble, because we know that wasn't the only time. Seriously, it is possible to criticize another institution of improper actions while having had your own with issues in the past. What matters how you conduct yourself on said issues. If I were here saying what Purdue had done in the past was no big deal and I would take the result any day if they were to do wrong again, then I'd be a hypocrite. NO Purdue fan that I know of has ever said such a thing. I have seen several UNC fans make such a claim in other threads.
There were essentially fake classes to bolster the GPA of student athletes that weren't making the cut. The loophole and the reason UNC didn't get into trouble is because they allowed any student on campus access to the "class". That in a nutshell sums up what happened.
Umm, UNC conducting themselves properly by fixing the issues. No UNC has said it wasn’t a big deal either. We just have addressed the issues where it was applicable.
There was no loophole. The NCAA has NO jurisdiction on what can & cannot be considered a class. The classes were approved & accredited courses.
It was never about UNC getting off on a loophole, it was about the NCAA trying to punish UNC over something they had no jurisdiction on.
They were easy classes not fake. If they were fake SACS wouldn't have deemed them legit. The NCAA can't say what classes are legit or not and UNC told them so in so many words.
Did you not read the independent investigation that UNC themselves paid for?
Every year there are 15ish OAD type players, most of them attending one of 4 or so schools. So lets say 5 of those OAD's go to a nonblueblood program, that leaves 10 kids who WANT to go to UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas. Thats pretty close to what happens every year. Well under your (and your dimwitted presidents) plan, none of those schools could take more than 1 OAD per year.
Taking just one would reduce your effective scholarships to 11. If there were any injuries, a team couldn't even properly practice. Taking 2 OAD's per year would be catastrophic, reducing scholarship players to 9. So, only 4 of those kids could go to the schools of their choice each year and 6 others would be forced to a less prominent program, perhaps further away from home, perhaps without the academic programs they want or the coaches they want. Yes, this punishes players. Your 3 year statement threw me. If you mean the remaining 3 years then no school could take even 1 OAD every year without devastating their team. This is not the intent of the NCAA.
Its a very liberal idea really. Its a redistribution of wealth, so to speak. But the punishment doesn't stop with the players, it continues to the schools. Under this genius plan, schools have to plan for potential player losses which they can not control. A school can't force a kid to stay but the plan would punish them if the kid left.
It's rather arrogant of you to assume that academics mean nothing to OAD's. Most of UK's players come back later to attend class. They have lifetime scholarships. The team keeps a solid GPA, they go to class, they progress. By what right does anyone say to them, we're changing the rules to punish schools for taking you because you don't care about academics? The plan is disgusting, whiny, idiotic and will never come to pass. Pass that along to your whiny president.
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Exactly, that was the loophole. As long as other students could take it, there wasn't anything the NCAA could do. That doesn't mean that what UNC did was ethically right. That's the entire argument.
Again, nobody is saying that UK couldn't take all the OAD's they want. I'm sure there are hundreds of kids that would love to play for (insert the university of your choice), but there are only so many spots to go around. Is that punishing all of those other players? To say you are punishing OAD's because they can't all go to Kentucky is a weak one. There are plenty of excellent coaches and schools. Finding a fit academically and athletically isn't hard. Saying it's a redistribution of wealth is laughable. It's not like we are taking 80% of the athletes and passing them around. We are talking about a tiny fraction of the number.
As we have seen, some of these players go to certain institutions by improper means. I think we need to clean it all up.
Also, in my original proposal. I stated that each school would have their scholarship tied to that individual for 3 years. I also stated that each school should get one extra scholarship to help alleviate some of the issues a OAD leaving early may cause.
I just explained the effect to you. Are you slow? Your plan has the same effect as saying "you can't". Man, you do have an arrogance problem. By what right do you get to tell a kid what school can take them? Don't start your "no one said UK couldn't give them a scholarship" nonsense. You skip around that with each of your "academic" answers.
Tough to believe much of what you say when you open with an obvious lie.
