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This is where you're losing me. I feel a lot of ppl cared from both sides.

Yeah, probably a poor choice of words. It’s more so that nothing happened as a result of it. I don’t mean overturning Trump’s victory, just that I expected more fallout for Russia. That’s a pretty egregious no-no.
 

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I like children, but I do feel a little sorry for them. Maybe in their lifetime everything will be social and won't be a need for traditional media. Someone to tell them how to think.

F&ck, I sound like Pink Floyd.
 

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We saw that with the CNN guy on tape.

That was disgusting and I'd say the same for any news outlet who did the same. Which apparently they're all doing.

I had more problem with it when they would pretend to be unbiased. Luckily everybody has caught in the fact that they can’t turn to cable news for unbiased reporting. Well, most have caught on.

Having less of a problem with them overtly catering to one side is a problem in and of itself, though.
 

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Yeah, probably a poor choice of words. It’s more so that nothing happened as a result of it. I don’t mean overturning Trump’s victory, just that I expected more fallout for Russia. That’s a pretty egregious no-no.
50 years ago, that would have probably started a war.

Espionage for the 21st century.

Look, I'm a huge dildo and still laugh at my own farts. I know nothing. It is fun, educational, and entertaining reading you guys go back and forth. Also kudos for providing different angles/ways to think about things. It doesn't go unnoticed. Turning in.
 

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I like children, but I do feel a little sorry for them. Maybe in their lifetime everything will be social and won't be a need for traditional media. Someone to tell them how to think.

F&ck, I sound like Pink Floyd.

Growing up with it means they will do a considerably better job of handling it reasonably than the old people. Just gotta give em a second.
 
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50 years ago, that would have probably started a war.

Espionage for the 21st century.

Look, I'm a huge dildo and still laugh at my own farts. I know nothing. It is fun, educational, and entertaining reading you guys go back and forth. Also kudos for providing different angles/ways to think about things. It doesn't go unnoticed.

I’m contrarian by nature. I like disagreement because that’s where the fun is. I don’t enjoy echo chambers much.
 
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Conservatives tend to sweep race issues under the rug or ignore them whenever possible.
I think it's more that Liberals tend to create race issues where they don't exist. Everything is about race with you guys. A bunch of race junkies.
 
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- Yes, probably partially a beneficiary and partially oppressed. Makes the most sense.

Awesome. So if one of my nephews has a child with a white girl, their kid will be 1/4 oppressed. And he might potentially have grandchildren that are 1/8 oppressed. It's all on a spectrum, of course. Makes total sense.

My third great-grandmother is a full-blooded Native American. Does that make me 1/32 oppressed?

- idk what the governing body of CMRT (?) is or if the words they say mean anything to anybody.

They're holding a conference at Arizona State next February. We should go together and check it out.

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- I doubt there is one. Republicans tend to be Conservatives and Conservatives tend to sweep race issues under the rug or ignore them whenever possible.

Or maybe Republicans don’t like the idea of taxpayers subsidizing political activists in bullshit grievance studies.

None of the cultural/identity studies (CRT, Whiteness Studies, Gender Studies, Queer Theory) are real academic disciplines. James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian had 4 hoax papers published in academic journals, and additional 3 were accepted. They did all that in a 10-month period. Their methodology was reaching the conclusion first, and then using the appropriate jargon to justify their assertions.



Some highly respected academics loved the hoax.





 

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The rare extremist educators will no doubt eventually be exposed. I don’t think using exceptions to the rule (rule: most educators are pretty fair and level-headed individuals) is a great argument against evolving curriculums. I get that they paint CRT in a negative light. I’m advocating for normal CRT, not militant bastardizations of it.

The issue is the militant bastardization is becoming more and more normal/promoted. You have people on major news networks, politicians, and educators telling everyone white people are inherently evil/racist, etc... Straying from the original crt purpose.

Of course the medias job is to get clicks, but that doesn't absolve them from what they are doing. They are pushing and spreading the extremist ideas of crt causing that narrative to become normalized.

I know you will not agree, and that's fine, but one day possibly 10 or 20 years from now crt is going to be added to the list slippery slopes that conservatives/republicans freaked out about "for no reason" but in the end it will be justified. Crt will continue becoming more and more extreme as the years go by.

Btw, we covered Jim crow laws, how some laws disproportionally affect black people, slavery etc... In my crappy ky public education. No problem with that.
 

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Or maybe Republicans don’t like the idea of taxpayers subsidizing political activists in bullshit grievance studies.

None of the cultural/identity studies (CRT, Whiteness Studies, Gender Studies, Queer Theory) are real academic disciplines. James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian had 4 hoax papers published in academic journals, and additional 3 were accepted. They did all that in a 10-month period. Their methodology was reaching the conclusion first, and then using the appropriate jargon to justify their assertions.




Some highly respected academics loved the hoax.








Well thank goodness you’re here to tell us what the real academic discipline’s are
 

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The issue is the militant bastardization is becoming more and more normal/promoted. You have people on major news networks, politicians, and educators telling everyone white people are inherently evil/racist, etc... Straying from the original crt purpose.

Of course the medias job is to get clicks, but that doesn't absolve them from what they are doing. They are pushing and spreading the extremist ideas of crt causing that narrative to become normalized.

I know you will not agree, and that's fine, but one day possibly 10 or 20 years from now crt is going to be added to the list slippery slopes that conservatives/republicans freaked out about "for no reason" but in the end it will be justified. Crt will continue becoming more and more extreme as the years go by.

Btw, we covered Jim crow laws, how some laws disproportionally affect black people, slavery etc... In my crappy ky public education. No problem with that.

Bastardizations aren’t becoming more normal, though. You seek the information that reinforces that idea.
 

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‘White peoples are evil and racist’ isn’t a common theme on social media or regular media or academia. If you feel that way, you need to take a step back and reevaluate your life. Maybe look within and stop seeking the most extreme and uncommon opinions to reinforce your bias.

Some people say crazy shit.
 

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Well thank goodness you’re here to tell us what the real academic discipline’s are

Just about every academic discipline is real. The ones I mentioned are the rare exceptions. The cultural/identity studies are oriented towards breeding political ideologues. A 100% chance they speak ill of Republicans and/or conservative thoughts at their "academic" conferences.

If there was an academic discipline that had 0 registered Democrats and public schools were flirting with including it in their curriculum, don't you think Democrats would object?
 

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it's only natural to fight change. I completely understand both sides mindsets........


I almost feel like if the media took a month off, or ppl took a month off media/social media, 77.5% of our issues would be ....stuggling with the word here. Not solved, not forgotten, ....I guess it's time for bed.
Yes! The internet (social media) is ruining the world and its like no one is noticing. They banned social media and ur right 75% of stuff ppl get so worked up on, they would have never even heard of.
 

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blackfishing = PC wig ger

People who stake ownership claims on culture and appearance are jackasses.

When a Native American gets upset about people wearing formal headdresses for Halloween, that makes sense. I get that.

But when people say you can’t style your hair a certain way because their race supposedly ‘owns’ that hairstyle or you can’t dance the way they do because they ‘own’ that type of dance, that’s going full r’tard.
 

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People who stake ownership claims on culture and appearance are jackasses.

When a Native American gets upset about people wearing formal headdresses for Halloween, that makes sense. I get that.

But when people say you can’t style your hair a certain way because their race supposedly ‘owns’ that hairstyle or you can’t dance the way they do because they ‘own’ that type of dance, that’s going full r’tard.
Do you feel like mascots like the Indians or Redskins are offensive?
 

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Hows that work, every other week they gotta switch. Or monthly/yearly. Half beneficial half oppressed 😂
- Yes, probably partially a beneficiary and partially oppressed. Makes the most sense.

- idk what the governing body of CMRT (?) is or if the words they say mean anything to anybody.

- I doubt there is one. Republicans tend to be Conservatives and Conservatives tend to sweep race issues under the rug or ignore them whenever possible.
 

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I did redskins but not indians. Jmo
I'm actually with you. Redskins just doesn't sound good. Indians, Chiefs, Braves, got no problem with those. If anything, picking a name like that is an a positive towards Native Americans, in the sense that you pick names with the idea of being a winning and aggressive team. You don't want some wimpy ass mascot for your team.
 

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I haven't done a full-blown survey, but I have yet to find someone on the Cherokee Reservation that finds the term Redskin offensive. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Washington Redskins had the second most worn apparel of NFL teams here, behind only the Panthers.

This study is 5 years old and it appears that most Natives don't take offense to it.


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I haven't done a full-blown survey, but I have yet to find someone on the Cherokee Reservation that finds the term Redskin offensive. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Washington Redskins had the second most worn apparel of NFL teams here, behind only the Panthers.

This study is 5 years old and it appears that most Natives don't take offense to it.

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Yea, I mean if no one had ever mentioned Redskins being offensive, I probably wouldn't think twice about it. I guess where I'm coming from, if someone named a team Whiteskins or Blackskins, that probably wouldn't go over well. Where as, names like the Fighting Irish or Indians should have wayyyyy more leeway.
 

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Do you feel like mascots like the Indians or Redskins are offensive?

I don’t. Mascots are meant to be a positive thing; you’re celebrating whatever the mascot is. Some are sillier than others but you pick a mascot for yourself based on something you like. It’s not something you’re poking fun at or being hateful toward.

The Redskins name was created while Native Americans were on the team and staff. I think the Native American tribes that took issue with it in recent years did so with ulterior motives
 
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Hows that work, every other week they gotta switch. Or monthly/yearly. Half beneficial half oppressed 😂

How society treats you, in terms of race, depends a lot on appearance. If we’re being honest with ourselves, how White or how Black they look is a big factor.
 

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Yea, I mean if no one had ever mentioned Redskins being offensive, I probably wouldn't think twice about it. I guess where I'm coming from, if someone named a team Whiteskins or Blackskins, that probably wouldn't go over well. Where as, names like the Fighting Irish or Indians should have wayyyyy more leeway.

Yeah, I could see how some see it as offensive, essentially the n-word for Natives. Just surprised I haven't come across any that are actually offended by it. Maybe the term is viewed differently among other tribes.
 

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How society treats you, in terms of race, depends a lot on appearance. If we’re being honest with ourselves, how White or how Black they look is a big factor.

So...

Jason Kidd = white

Colin Kaepernick = black

Is that how we should look at it?
 

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Yeah, I could see how some see it as offensive, essentially the n-word for Natives. Just surprised I haven't come across any that are actually offended by it. Maybe the term is viewed differently among other tribes.

I think it’s also because nobody actually calls Native American’s ‘redskins’ as a slur. Or if they do, it’s pretty uncommon. The area of NY I grew up in has a good number of Native Americans and some prominent Reservations. I never encountered much, really any, anti-Native American sentiment. We’d make jokes about giving them our money when we’d go to the casino and it was understood that you don’t go meet them on the Reservation. And they’re good at lacrosse. That was about it.
 

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Yea, I mean if no one had ever mentioned Redskins being offensive, I probably wouldn't think twice about it. I guess where I'm coming from, if someone named a team Whiteskins or Blackskins, that probably wouldn't go over well. Where as, names like the Fighting Irish or Indians should have wayyyyy more leeway.
Said my thoughts better than I could have 👍
 

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So...

Jason Kidd = white

Colin Kaepernick = black

Is that how we should look at it?

They would likely face prejudice but at different levels. Kaepernick, before his activism, probably encountered more of it because he looks ‘blacker.’
 

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I think it’s also because nobody actually calls Native American’s ‘redskins’ as a slur. Or if they do, it’s pretty uncommon. The area of NY I grew up in has a good number of Native Americans and some prominent Reservations. I never encountered much, really any, anti-Native American sentiment. We’d make jokes about giving them our money when we’d go to the casino and it was understood that you don’t go meet them on the Reservation. And they’re good at lacrosse. That was about it.

Seems reasonable.

Casino money is nice. Real nice. Wife gets between $12-14k a year from the casino. Thank you, tourists.
 

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How society treats you, in terms of race, depends a lot on appearance. If we’re being honest with ourselves, how White or how Black they look is a big factor.
Totally agree, just dont understand how anyone or thing can be half beneficial and half oppressed. When they are opposites.

you cant be half tall and half short.
 

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I don’t. Mascots are meant to be a positive thing; you’re celebrating whatever the mascot is. Some are sillier than others but you pick a mascot for yourself based on something you like. It’s not something you’re poking fun at or being hateful toward.

The Redskins name was created while Native Americans were on the team and staff. I think the Native American tribes that took issue with it in recent years did so with ulterior motives

Crazy concept, eh? “Taking offense” to something with ulterior motives.
 
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Does sound familiar.

Plus i missed the list of positive things blm is doing for black communities.

edit: Black*
 

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Totally agree, just dont understand how anyone or thing can be half beneficial and half oppressed. When they are opposites.

you cant be half tall and half short.

There are scenarios where you could be disadvantaged by race and scenarios where you could be advantaged by skin color. Life is complex.
 
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