As for the question--------I believe he literally rose from the grave. I do not see how you can be a Christian, and think otherwise.
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Same here.
I am not a bible thumping Christian; however, I am too smart to laugh and declare it is not the truth.
Uhhh... you’re welcome...?
I find that to be probably the most hypocritical thing about religion. If you beleive someone isn’t getting into heaven because they aren’t a “follower.” The Bible teaches that you should be a good person and love everyone regardless of who they are or what they beleive. Someone could live a great life, do wonderful things, yet they won’t get to heaven because they don’t believe the right thing. Sounds ridiculous to me. With that said, I hope there is a god and there is a heaven and I hope I have lived a good enough life to get there.You sir, are wrong.........
When asked why( I believe), I simply respond: "If I am wrong, I have wasted a life. IF you are wrong, you have wasted an eternity". Simply put-------I'd rather be disappointed God doesn't exit. Then to be disappointed that He does.
You sir, are wrong.........
When asked why( I believe), I simply respond: "If I am wrong, I have wasted a life. IF you are wrong, you have wasted an eternity". Simply put-------I'd rather be disappointed God doesn't exit. Then to be disappointed that He does.
I wouldn't be disappointed if I found out God exists. Why would that be disappointing?
Yup that's where I am at. I can't get behind those who say it's all about their beliefs. I think thats sort of a vehicle to arrive at the same end as those in other religions ie being a good person. I've known some true sh*tbags who believed with all their hearts. If they made it to the chosen land, I'll pass.
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Nor am I. I do try to live my life as I feel Jesus would want me to; or expect. Hnestly I think to many people put to much pressure on this very measure. We were born into sin. Jesus was not. So it's inevitable we will sin. He, will not. It's impossible to live AS He would. But it is not impossible to try.
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Jimbo if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your savior, there is no "getting in". Living a good life, doing nice things, etc, etc...is not good enough. Look at it like this: If a stranger came to yur door and wanted to LIVE with you-------would you let him? Not stay the night...or for a day or two-------But LIVE. Forever. I'd say you would not. SO then why expect God to do so? You see JImbo, by not accpeting God, you are not accepting his gift of eternity. Thus becmoing a stranger. If you cannot accept HIm, then why should he accept you? Why---because you were nice? Did good things? If we do not accept Jesus, regardless of how we live, Heaven will not be an option.
John 14:6
"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Sorry, I just can’t get behind that. Like at all. Someone is telling you to beleive in me or else. Very suspicious of an ever loving god.
You are exactly right.... And yes.............God IS an ever loving God. And all he ask for is for you to love and accept HIM. That's it. Not asking you to kill your dog. Sacrifice animals. Just to simply obey His laws, and believe in him. If you do not--------then it has been made clear-----There is no place in paradise for you. What is so suspicious of that? Why should He accept you, if you do not accept him?
And honestly, if you do not believe in God, then why do you want to go to Heaven?
I have never said I don’t believe in God. It just sounds silly to me that you could be this great person who does great things and helps tons of people, but believes in a different god, and that’s not good enough for eternal paradise. Does that not sound ridiculous to you?
Yeah, I think that is a good discussion to have. C.S. Lewis kind of tackles it allegorically in the Narnia books (the last one), kind of hinting at the fact that perhaps we don't know exactly what is meant by salvation in quite the rigid box Christianity seems to place it in.
No, it does not. Again, Christ's words are clear: No one comes to the Father, except through ME. It does not say, "If you are a really, really, really nice guy, who's done a lot of really, really nice things---then well, never mind what was said in John 14:6." Your works is not what gets you into heaven-------It is your belief. Your faith. Pretty simple really.
I look at it like this. Say I'm a millionaire. Give millions to charity. Help the homeless. Build hospitals. SO on and so on. Now take someone who doesn't have millions. Cannot give to charities as I do. Am I more deserving than they are(to go to Heaven)? We are both nice people. Done really good things. But since I was able to do more, does that make me more deserving?
Of course not. That is why your work alone will not get you to heaven. YOur faith will.
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"But believes in a different God". Well I guess you then believe in a different Heaven?
All religions beleive in some sort of afterlife. All religions believe in some sort of deity or deities. The fact that people not only think theirs is more accurate than others, but also beleive those who don’t follow those same beleifs will be punished, is just nuts to me. Like, insane almost.
I feel we all believe mostly in the same afterlife. The difference lies with people as to how we get there.
My thought is this: I not only believe in the Bible, but I trust It. I believe every word of it. I feel if someone doesn't, then yes, they risk being condemn to Hell. Now, that doesn't mean I do not respect what you believe. I do. I just feel that if you(Not specifically you) have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior, you will not go to Heaven.
I honestly do not see what is so "nuts" about this. God is giving you free will. He is giving you a choice. If you choose not to accept, then why should he prepare a place for you in his Kingdom? I don't care how nice you are. How good you are. Don't care if you have never said a cross word....drank...smoked....stole...... etc, etc... Dont care if youTook in homeless people. Helped rescue abandoned animals. So on and so on. THat is not what God has asked of you/me. He has asked that you accept Him as your savior. That you repent your sins. That you live as He has asked. That's it. Not save 100 people from a burning building. Or be nice. Or good; in fairness, those traits usually portray that of a person who has accepted God. I mean if you are a TRUE follower of Christ, being of good will is a trait that comes with that.
Again, I am not condemning your belief. Just explaining why I believe what I do.
I'm good. Very comfortable with my faith.
I mean, this isn't going anywhere. Doubt anyone is changing their minds on anything.
But if God hides then sends people to hell for not believing in him/her, then God is kind of an asshole. If God sends me to hell for stating that, then God is still an asshole.
I don't like assholes. If God doesn't like that he shouldn't have gave me a brain.
But if God hides then sends people to hell for not believing in him/her, then God is kind of an asshole. If God sends me to hell for stating that, then God is still an asshole.
I don't like assholes. If God doesn't like that he shouldn't have gave me a brain.
He doesn't "send" anyone to Hell. We do that all on our own. He gave us free will. What you choose to do is on you. I mean if you get pulled over for a DUI, its not the cop who sent you to jail. That was you.
God gives us a choice. If you choose not to accept Him, that is on you. And if you choose not to, again---that is you. And if you choose not to, why should He accept you? You are forsaken him. You are saying, "Even though I do not believe in You, I am still deserving of a place in your Kingdom". What sense does that make? That's like not believing in Santa, then being pissed when he doesn;t bring you gifts.
False dilemma; it’s also quite possible that the historical Jesus never made any such claim.
You sir, are wrong.........
When asked why( I believe), I simply respond: "If I am wrong, I have wasted a life. IF you are wrong, you have wasted an eternity". Simply put-------I'd rather be disappointed God doesn't exit. Then to be disappointed that He does.
Another false dilemma; as you yourself unwittingly acknowledge later ITT, when it comes to ‘salvation’, there are more than just two options: there is non-belief and then there are nearly infinite varieties of belief. Ostensibly, only one ‘works’.
Put another way, you may not find yourself surprised that god exists, but you may be disappointed to find out your parents weren’t right about what they taught you about him.
But like if I ask questions about the claims you just made or will just end in a never ending circular argument pointing to the Bible as absolute truth. And then if I point out the flaws of the Bible it will be ignored or justified. Ultimately it will end in something like "we can't understand God's ways." So I'm gonna call it a night.
Also, I didn't believe in Santa from about age 5. I remember figuring this out and shattering the dreams of my classmates. But I still got presents.
Many, MANY, parts of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, have been proven wrong by science. Red flags all over the place in that book.
What's the difference between Santa and Satan???
The placement of the letters!!!
The Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth), Teaches that The Devil is a Deceiver...Take it for what it's worth...Some do..."Narrow is the path to Righteousnes, and few there be on it"...Most don't..."Wide is the road to Destruction, and many there be on it"...Again, it's a Free Will Choice for All...Thus, we All Reap What We Sow...It is what it is!!!
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I went to a Catholic school for many years. I am pretty informed when it comes to Christianity and its practices.
This explains it. You’re most likely left-handed and this is you firing back at the nuns
Interesting story. The catholic school I went to in Louisville had trouble with a priest a few years before I started attending it. He loved little boys. Catholic perishes can be some extremely corrupt and bad places sometimes.
I disagree. Its a form of Christianity. Just like being Baptist or Protestant. All have small differences or disagreements, but they are all part of the same big picture.
Catholics use a priest to come to God. non denom, baptist, pentacostal ect all believe in no barrier between God and man. Man can go straight God. Pretty amazing difference.
I guess we just disagree on what we consider a significant difference. Because I think that is pretty miniscule
