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OT: Okay Christians, help me out...

Do you believe in the Resurrection of Jesus on Easter as a literal story?

  • Yes, it is a story of something that physically happened.

    Votes: 67 69.1%
  • No, it's more of a parable than a literal story.

    Votes: 7 7.2%
  • Not a Christian, sorry.

    Votes: 23 23.7%

  • Total voters
    97
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What shocks me to my core is that someone can believe in God but not the resurrection.

Someone believes in an all powerful God who can do anything.
Then believes there was something can can't have been done. Like what?
 
I like to start right there with the words "things we know exist" ... There has to be a foundation that there is simply so much "we don't know"

The best question I have heard to ask an atheist (which you aren't) is " Do you hope you're wrong" ... Most atheists deny the existence of God under the circumstance of the fact "there are things we don't know"

Agnostics come from the stand point that God must make sense according to our understanding. Meaning:Where did God come from?... It is looking for a logical answer under the assumption man can understand all. God says he has no beginning and no end. We dismiss the claim based on the fact we A. Can't understand it. B. can't observe it.

There are many wonders in life that are supernatural that doctors and scientists can't explains. But we accept them daily, based on the fact we can observe them . We don't need to understand what we can observe. Since God (assuming existence) intentionally made himself as can not be seen (although the bible claims in God all things were made and that the universe itself is proof of him) than we must investigate what we can see. Historical eye witnesses, historic events ect ect.

I highly recommend the documentary and book "the case for Christ" where a former atheist attorney sets out to prove his Christian wife wrong in an attempt to save his marriage. He puts together a case,just like an attorney would, to disprove God and Jesus. I researches the science, history, artifacts.

Another things that stood out in your post was "potential for life" given the right circumstances. The ability to believe in "the right circumstances" despite lack of scientific fact and understanding leads me to the belief "it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as Christian"
I am of the belief that there is a logical answer to every situation and question. "Miracle" is a term used to describe something we can't explain. Religion has been declining in the world for a while now. Before we had the technology or knowledge to understand how things work in this world, we chalked everything up to "God made it this way." As we continue to evolve, we find more answers about life and how we got to the point we are at. A thousand years ago, people thought the earth was the center of the universe. We didn't know what gravity was. I could go on and on. Even as far as we have come, we still don't have the answers to everything, which is why doctors and scientists are still stumped on some things. Technology and knowledge are both expanding exponentially, so to me, it is only a matter of time before these miracles have a scientific and logical explanation behind them.

As simple as it sounds, you know something exists when you see it. I know that you and I exists because I'm talking to you at this moment. We know that oxygen exists because of the elements it is made up of. What proof is there of any god other than a book? To add to that, why is it more likely that your god exists as opposed to the hundreds of other gods that people claim are real?

I will take a look at the documentary you mentioned, I have always enjoyed things like that.
 
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What if all Gods are the same God, but people manipulate him to fit their own beliefs?

Isn't it odd that every civilization has some type of "religion" but there isn't a higher power?


(I don't like the scientific approach to discussions like this. They never go anywhere as neither disproves the other, but both sides always argue that it does.)
 
What if all Gods are the same God, but people manipulate him to fit their own beliefs?

Isn't it odd that every civilization has some type of "religion" but there isn't a higher power?


(I don't like the scientific approach to discussions like this. They never go anywhere as neither disproves the other, but both sides always argue that it does.)

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I graciously disagree. Big Bang and evolution can be easily debunked (as it's presented currently) by physicists . At their best, most findings are labeled theories. Even so , if you trace evolution back to the gas ect. matter, molecules, even black matter (which we can test or observe really, has to come from somewhere. Scientifically matter can not come from non matter. There had to be , imho, a supernatural non matter to create matter. The universe when studied is self evident as intelligent design. Even with the odds of chance + time one has to take a logic leap to come to the big bang.

The age of earth and the universe is a hot debate to this day among scientist. Mainly because we assume people that "emerged from slime" have to intellectual capacity to understand or develop tools to understand the universe. I don't believe man has the capacity to understand.

Plus a pretty big issue among theists or agnostics and definitely atheists is the origin of morality . Hundreds of years of studying human behavior , plus nature and nurture, most experts conclude morality can not be self inspired. Morality it taught and passed down. Meaning tracing humanity to it's origin there had to be a first moral giver.

I love that you're open to discussion.

Alright, first, people in this country are free to believe whatever they want. I'll support that. I respect that you go as far as acknowledging science in your view. I draw the line when it comes to injecting dogma into education, but that is a different topic.

@JimboBBN explained well why injecting God in the equation is not needed. To add to that, if the explanation of God is that the all knowing being is what resides in the areas beyond current human understanding, then God will continue to grow smaller as human understanding increases.

I'll also refute other claims you made. Big Bang and Evolution can absolutely not be easily debunked by physicists.

Let's start with Big Bang Theory. Big Bang Theory cannot be easily disproven because it's backed by mathematical proof. Data obtained through instrumentation shows the universe is expanding. The work of MIT Professor Alan Guth (among others) on Cosmic Inflation further reinforces the mathematics. His theory is not driven by agenda at all. To explain it most simply, it's just what the math suggests. Albeit, it's incredibly complex math including calculus, relativity, thermodynamics, cosmology and physics. But the universe is complex, so the math is complex as well.

According to the data we have, it's the best explanation. To the non-scientific mind, the idea of "best explanation" gives opportunity to say "what is not explained is God." But to make this leap is to make an illogical conclusion. If a God were found to reside in the algorithms, then a God would be considered in the algorithms. It's really that simple. To take it much further is over-thinking it.

And the universe is not perfect for life. It's absolutely not. Our environment on earth is not even perfect for life. We have seen multiple mass extinctions triggered by natural disaster, both cosmic and geologic in nature. This universe is a threat to life at every corner and it a brutal and uncaring place to what lives in it.

So, of course humans live in an environment suited for their instincts and senses. In order to survive in this brutal world, species have evolved to survive in it. In this sense, we should expect that the environment we live in is best suited for humanity. There may in fact be no better environment in the entire universe for humanity. And the reasons for this do not require a higher being. It's just what the evidence suggests.

I am fine with people believing a God can exist at the outer limits of understanding. But again, I take it personal if it means that God is injected to misconstrue observable truth for political or religious purposes. Not saying anyone here is doing that, but it's enraging to even think about.
 
you sure showed him, Bert!
I am part Jewish also "WeAreDePaul", but what in the hell do you mean?


If you have all the answers, then why don't you explain all this stuff to us; oh you of superior intellect? I have several weeks ahead of me to soak in your knowledge.

Please explain why the best governments on earth were based on Christ's teachings? Why did Western Europe come up with the best ideas?

Please explain why we in the Western world are so stupid? Oh ye of superior intellect. Tell us~
 
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I am fine with people believing a God can exist at the outer limits of understanding. But again, I take it personal if it means that God is injected to misconstrue observable truth for political or religious purposes. Not saying anyone here is doing that, but it's enraging to even think about.

bkingUK you have a good mind. I like it.
 
I am part Jewish also "WeAreDePaul", but what in the hell do you mean?


If you have all the answers, then why don't you explain all this stuff to us; oh you of superior intellect? I have several weeks ahead of me to soak in your knowledge.

Please explain why the best governments on earth were based on Christ's teachings? Why did Western Europe come up with the best ideas?

Please explain why we in the Western world are so stupid? Oh ye of superior intellect. Tell us~


Uhm. WTF are you talking about?

There's no way your part jewish, none of us are dumb enough to write whatever the hell you just wrote.

You should go back to making fun of teams with injured players.
 
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They have a lot in common... can discuss lox, yarmulkes, and running the world!

We no longer run the world, we now focus all our attention on the entertainment and banking industries.

Currently accepting applications for someone to replace Harvey as the undisputed King Jew of Hollywood.
 
As an agnostic, I don't believe a God "makes sense".

I just know that man does not know. So I'm not gon pretend to know.
Ya know..
 
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We no longer run the world, we now focus all our attention on the entertainment and banking industries.

Currently accepting applications for someone to replace Harvey as the undisputed King Jew of Hollywood.

Mel Brooks should forever be King Jew of Hollywood. I straight up love that man.
 
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Mel Brooks should forever be King Jew of Hollywood. I straight up love that man.

He can definitely be on the Mt. Rushmore of Hollywood Jews along with Harvey Weinstein, Jerry Lewis and then the 4th face is half Goldie Hawn and half Paul Newman.
 
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Uhm. WTF are you talking about?

There's no way your part jewish, none of us are dumb enough to write whatever the hell you just wrote.

You should go back to making fun of teams with injured players.
Of course I expected such a piece of shit answer.

But I can prove my heritage. I doubt that your lying ass can.

You are a piece of work. Go crawl back into your hole.
 
I think it's great we're celebrating Easter and Fools together this year.

...and no. I'm not calling all fools Christians.
 
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Of course I expected such a piece of shit answer.

But I can prove my heritage. I doubt that your lying ass can.

You are a piece of work. Go crawl back into your hole.

Bert, it is possible that you took what was meant as a silly attempt at humor far too seriously?
 
The ones who are so far on either end of the spectrum, I have no hope for. They aren't fun to have discussions with, usually because its their way or the high way. I don't care what you believe, as long as you don't tell me what I believe is wrong.
You sir, are wrong.........:D

When asked why( I believe), I simply respond: "If I am wrong, I have wasted a life. IF you are wrong, you have wasted an eternity". Simply put-------I'd rather be disappointed God doesn't exit. Then to be disappointed that He does.
 
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