What shocks me to my core is that someone can believe in God but not the resurrection.
Someone believes in an all powerful God who can do anything.
Then believes there was something can can't have been done. Like what?
No Ben Shapiro then roflLaughing I'm about as far from orthodox as it gets.
Have you considered striking up a friendship with @jhmossy? I think you two would get alongAs a Jew I consider Christmas a horrible holiday whereas I really like Easter cause that's the one where we finally got that traitor bastard!
GO JEWS! (the DePaul of religions)
No Ben Shapiro then rofl
I am of the belief that there is a logical answer to every situation and question. "Miracle" is a term used to describe something we can't explain. Religion has been declining in the world for a while now. Before we had the technology or knowledge to understand how things work in this world, we chalked everything up to "God made it this way." As we continue to evolve, we find more answers about life and how we got to the point we are at. A thousand years ago, people thought the earth was the center of the universe. We didn't know what gravity was. I could go on and on. Even as far as we have come, we still don't have the answers to everything, which is why doctors and scientists are still stumped on some things. Technology and knowledge are both expanding exponentially, so to me, it is only a matter of time before these miracles have a scientific and logical explanation behind them.I like to start right there with the words "things we know exist" ... There has to be a foundation that there is simply so much "we don't know"
The best question I have heard to ask an atheist (which you aren't) is " Do you hope you're wrong" ... Most atheists deny the existence of God under the circumstance of the fact "there are things we don't know"
Agnostics come from the stand point that God must make sense according to our understanding. Meaning:Where did God come from?... It is looking for a logical answer under the assumption man can understand all. God says he has no beginning and no end. We dismiss the claim based on the fact we A. Can't understand it. B. can't observe it.
There are many wonders in life that are supernatural that doctors and scientists can't explains. But we accept them daily, based on the fact we can observe them . We don't need to understand what we can observe. Since God (assuming existence) intentionally made himself as can not be seen (although the bible claims in God all things were made and that the universe itself is proof of him) than we must investigate what we can see. Historical eye witnesses, historic events ect ect.
I highly recommend the documentary and book "the case for Christ" where a former atheist attorney sets out to prove his Christian wife wrong in an attempt to save his marriage. He puts together a case,just like an attorney would, to disprove God and Jesus. I researches the science, history, artifacts.
Another things that stood out in your post was "potential for life" given the right circumstances. The ability to believe in "the right circumstances" despite lack of scientific fact and understanding leads me to the belief "it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as Christian"
What if all Gods are the same God, but people manipulate him to fit their own beliefs?
Isn't it odd that every civilization has some type of "religion" but there isn't a higher power?
(I don't like the scientific approach to discussions like this. They never go anywhere as neither disproves the other, but both sides always argue that it does.)
Have you considered striking up a friendship with @jhmossy? I think you two would get along
Both got nothing on Halloween candy.I definitely think Easter candy is better than Christmas candy.
/threadBoth got nothing on Halloween candy.
You are a total dip shit.As a Jew I consider Christmas a horrible holiday whereas I really like Easter cause that's the one where we finally got that traitor bastard!
GO JEWS! (the DePaul of religions)
You mean a dipwad?Laughing I'm about as far from orthodox as it gets.
I graciously disagree. Big Bang and evolution can be easily debunked (as it's presented currently) by physicists . At their best, most findings are labeled theories. Even so , if you trace evolution back to the gas ect. matter, molecules, even black matter (which we can test or observe really, has to come from somewhere. Scientifically matter can not come from non matter. There had to be , imho, a supernatural non matter to create matter. The universe when studied is self evident as intelligent design. Even with the odds of chance + time one has to take a logic leap to come to the big bang.
The age of earth and the universe is a hot debate to this day among scientist. Mainly because we assume people that "emerged from slime" have to intellectual capacity to understand or develop tools to understand the universe. I don't believe man has the capacity to understand.
Plus a pretty big issue among theists or agnostics and definitely atheists is the origin of morality . Hundreds of years of studying human behavior , plus nature and nurture, most experts conclude morality can not be self inspired. Morality it taught and passed down. Meaning tracing humanity to it's origin there had to be a first moral giver.
I love that you're open to discussion.
I am part Jewish also "WeAreDePaul", but what in the hell do you mean?you sure showed him, Bert!
I am fine with people believing a God can exist at the outer limits of understanding. But again, I take it personal if it means that God is injected to misconstrue observable truth for political or religious purposes. Not saying anyone here is doing that, but it's enraging to even think about.
I am part Jewish also "WeAreDePaul", but what in the hell do you mean?
If you have all the answers, then why don't you explain all this stuff to us; oh you of superior intellect? I have several weeks ahead of me to soak in your knowledge.
Please explain why the best governments on earth were based on Christ's teachings? Why did Western Europe come up with the best ideas?
Please explain why we in the Western world are so stupid? Oh ye of superior intellect. Tell us~
Then I'm ****ed because I've probably been rude to him at one point. Especially if he's just a stranger on a bus.What if God was one of us?
As long as folks are respectful of others beliefs I think it will be fine. If you ( not You per se, but the proverbial YOU ) cant do that, then please dont even post in the thread.
They have a lot in common... can discuss lox, yarmulkes, and running the world!
bkingUK you have a good mind. I like it.
We no longer run the world, we now focus all our attention on the entertainment and banking industries.
Currently accepting applications for someone to replace Harvey as the undisputed King Jew of Hollywood.
Mel Brooks should forever be King Jew of Hollywood. I straight up love that man.
Of course I expected such a piece of shit answer.Uhm. WTF are you talking about?
There's no way your part jewish, none of us are dumb enough to write whatever the hell you just wrote.
You should go back to making fun of teams with injured players.
You best not. I need some allies with an IQ over 50.I might take the offseason off this year.
bkingUK, I can disagree with you a lot.This is a lot of pressure, Bert. I'll post something dumb soon.
Til then, going to frame this post and put it on my wall.
As an agnostic, I don't believe a God "makes sense".
I just know that man does not know. So I'm not gon pretend to know.
Ya know..
Mel Brooks and I were cut from the same cloth; however, Mel is a lot smarter.Mel Brooks should forever be King Jew of Hollywood. I straight up love that man.
Of course I expected such a piece of shit answer.
But I can prove my heritage. I doubt that your lying ass can.
You are a piece of work. Go crawl back into your hole.
No. Not at all.Bert, it is possible that you took what was meant as a silly attempt at humor far too seriously?
Bert you crack me up. I’m glad you post on this site. How long has it been since you’ve been laid?No. Not at all.
I screwed up by responding to a thread that you were reading.
I am sorry that I did that, oh great one.
Bert you crack me up. I’m glad you post on this site. How long has it been since you’ve been laid?
You sir, are wrong.........The ones who are so far on either end of the spectrum, I have no hope for. They aren't fun to have discussions with, usually because its their way or the high way. I don't care what you believe, as long as you don't tell me what I believe is wrong.
Up yours Jimbo. I have probably been laid since you.Bert you crack me up. I’m glad you post on this site. How long has it been since you’ve been laid?