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OT: 10 year old Drag Kid.

The question is whether or not watching sports with your dad created an interest that wasn't there before or just fed an interest that already existed. I watched Pappyland every morning at my babysitter's house while waiting for the bus. When Pappy Drew It came on, I didn't feel any urge to start drawing stuff.

Idk. No way to really prove it one way or the other but I doubt I’d be this obsessed with sports if I didn’t grow up watching them.
 
Watching that cable tv show likely did not create the feelings to dress in drag. The feelings were there, the show just brought them to light; they would have likely been fulfilled at some point with or without the show. Basically, the show didn't make him a drag queen.

I put this in a similar category as violent media (video games and tv shows). Studies repeatedly show that watching violent media doesn't correlate to violent tendencies. Watching drag queens doesn't make 'normal' kids want to dress in drag.

Completely disagree. If you are 2 years old and start watching something, that’s when your brain begins to really develop and watching something like that so early can brainwash the child into thinking that’s acceptable and the natural way without really giving it any thought. At 2 years old, you can’t make your own decisions. That’s where influences like your parents, shows, toys, etc come into place. The kid doesn’t know right from wrong obviously, and certain things that they get attached to manipulates the brain to think somethin is right when it may or may not be who they really are. You are not born gay.
 
Masturbating to gay porn made me gay.

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Completely disagree. If you are 2 years old and start watching something, that’s when your brain begins to really develop and watching something like that so early can brainwash the child into thinking that’s acceptable and the natural way without really giving it any thought. At 2 years old, you can’t make your own decisions. That’s where influences like your parents, shows, toys, etc come into place. The kid doesn’t know right from wrong obviously, and certain things that they get attached to manipulates the brain to think somethin is right when it may or may not be who they really are. You are not born gay.
Yup. This.
 
Completely disagree. If you are 2 years old and start watching something, that’s when your brain begins to really develop and watching something like that so early can brainwash the child into thinking that’s acceptable and the natural way without really giving it any thought. At 2 years old, you can’t make your own decisions. That’s where influences like your parents, shows, toys, etc come into place. The kid doesn’t know right from wrong obviously, and certain things that they get attached to manipulates the brain to think somethin is right when it may or may not be who they really are. You are not born gay.

People are born gay. If we're debating whether or not people are born drag queens or born trans-gender, then fine. But if you're arguing gay people aren't born gay, then that's an argument I won't have because it rejects reality.

If 1,000 2 year olds watched Ru Paul's Drag Race weekly, 995 of them - conservative estimate - would end up totally normal (aka. not drag queens). Brain washing doesn't work the way you're suggesting it does.
 
...you will 100% get some deserved jokes thrown your way if this is your get up.
"Deserved"?
If you're saying this in the sense that water is wet, yes, I agree.
If you're saying it justifies how they're mistreated, I don't.
Would you be cool w/ your own kid being the one doing the bullying?
 
I don’t think being gay is a choice. You’re definitely born that way. I think it’s possible to be attracted to both genders, which is why people are able to switch on command and what not.

Being transgender is completely different IMO.
 
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I think if you're going to start a transition you should have to wait until your brain is fully formed before doing so, might reduce the amount of suicides in that "community."
I don't think the high rate of suicide among transpeople is due to medically supervised transitions.
 
I don't think the high rate of suicide among transpeople is due to medically supervised transitions.
Do you think it's because they are picked on and abused or because they have mental issues or a little bit of both? I believe (this is not fact, I haven't researched it but I remember hearing it somewhere) that the suicide rate for transgender people is higher post operation then pre-op.
 
Do you think it's because they are picked on and abused or because they have mental issues or a little bit of both? I believe (this is not fact, I haven't researched it but I remember hearing it somewhere) that the suicide rate for transgender people is higher post operation then pre-op.
I'd want to see the research on something like that.
I'd say bullying and family hostility are major factors in the mental illnesses that often lead to suicide.
 
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Do you think it's because they are picked on and abused or because they have mental issues or a little bit of both? I believe (this is not fact, I haven't researched it but I remember hearing it somewhere) that the suicide rate for transgender people is higher post operation then pre-op.

Wouldn't they have to be alive for the "op?"
 
Yep. I know several people who have switched over in their later years. It’s a choice.

No you don’t. You know people who were gay and didn’t come out, and then finally came out.

I’ve never met one person in my life who has sent get being gay was a choice. Not one. Not one gay person ever has said that they really had a legitimate choice between liking their own sex or another sex, and they chose their own sex.
 
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No you don’t. You know people who were gay and didn’t come out, and then finally came out.

I’ve never met one person in my life who has sent get being gay was a choice. Not one. Not one gay person ever has said that they really had a legitimate choice between liking their own sex or another sex, and they chose their own sex.
The dude is 100% right.

.....and he should know b/c he knows a ton of gay dudes very well.
 
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The dude is 100% right.

.....and he should know b/c he knows a ton of gay dudes very well.

I have a lot of gay guy friends, actually. But really, nobody has ever legit said "You know, I was equally attracted to men and women, but I decided to like men/women." Come on; was ANY straight guy here equally attracted to men, but decided instead to like women? Anyone?

Just about no gay person ever chose to be gay. They knew they were different early, early on. That's dumb, and shows a distinct lack of talking to actual gay people.
 
I have a lot of gay guy friends, actually. But really, nobody has ever legit said "You know, I was equally attracted to men and women, but I decided to like men/women." Come on; was ANY straight guy here equally attracted to men, but decided instead to like women? Anyone?

Just about no gay person ever chose to be gay. They knew they were different early, early on. That's dumb, and shows a distinct lack of talking to actual gay people.

I don’t disgaree with this at all. I do feel like watching something, with that subject matter, that is meant for teens to adults, at the age of 2, can have adverse effects.
 
I have a lot of gay guy friends, actually. But really, nobody has ever legit said "You know, I was equally attracted to men and women, but I decided to like men/women." Come on; was ANY straight guy here equally attracted to men, but decided instead to like women? Anyone?

Just about no gay person ever chose to be gay. They knew they were different early, early on. That's dumb, and shows a distinct lack of talking to actual gay people.
LOL...i know---i just saying you explored a lot of dudes butts...come on.!!!!!

People don't choose to be gay, they just are.
 
LOL...i know---i just saying you explored a lot of dudes butts...come on.!!!!!

People don't choose to be gay, they just are.

Hmmmm.... guys butts.


:)

It is a little strange watching guys kiss. I know as a liberal I shouldn’t say that, but...
 
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Hmmmm.... guys butts.


:)

It is a little strange watching guys kiss. I know as a liberal I shouldn’t say that, but...
Its so weird and I don't get it.....but I'm also aware enough that they think its weird when I'm making out with super models (<<never happened)
 
Yeah apparently that was only in Ontario for kids in foster care. Some right wing websites got ahold of it and made a bigger deal of it than it is. While looking into this I did see where Canada put a comedian on trial with a human rights tribunal for a joke and fined him $42,000. Jesus Christ man... When did liberals (and that's what the Canadian government is) become so opposed to free speech?

When did Canada (that's who controls the Canadian laws) pass free speech?
 
No I couldn’t switch because I don’t like the same gender. I think anyone could though if they chose to. As I said, I’ve seen people just randomly switch over to the same gender relationships as they got older. I believe that you decide personally once you hit puberty. I’ve seen that several times so it’s made me believe that way.

Not to make this biblical, but I am a Christian and grew up that way, so Im a firm disbeliever in same sex relationships. However, I do think it’s a choice that people make. I will never think you are born liking another guy or a girl liking another girl.

I could believe @Dattier was born liking other guys.
 
No you don’t. You know people who were gay and didn’t come out, and then finally came out.

I’ve never met one person in my life who has sent get being gay was a choice. Not one. Not one gay person ever has said that they really had a legitimate choice between liking their own sex or another sex, and they chose their own sex.

I feel like those who perceive homosexuality as a choice, are saying that they (themselves) are choosing to be straight.

So, in a round about way, they're admitting that they most likely feel attraction, or have felt attraction, to both sexes and (they) choose to be straight.

However, I don't believe it's a choice.
I think you either like one gender or you're sexually fluid.
 
I feel like those who perceive homosexuality as a choice, are saying that they (themselves) are choosing to be straight.

So, in a round about way, they're admitting that they most likely feel attraction, or have felt attraction, to both sexes and (they) choose to be straight.

However, I don't believe it's a choice.
I think you either like one gender or you're sexually fluid.

The only reason why I say it’s a choice is because I believe in the Bible and I believe that everyone is born straight, but some choose to be gay once they make their own decision as they get older, or they could have been influenced that way as a child.
 
No I couldn’t switch because I don’t like the same gender. I think anyone could though if they chose to.
So you could?

I believe that you decide personally once you hit puberty. I’ve seen that several times so it’s made me believe that way.
So when you hit puberty, you considered being gay, then chose to like girls instead?
 
No. I’ve never thought about it because I was not raised that way. I’m straight and always have been. I believe you are born straight and some influence changes you.

I’m just saying I find it hard to believe that it’s not a choice when I have seen people date the opposing gender then turn around and all of the sudden they are dating the same gender. That’s why I think it’s a choice.
But if it's a choice, you chose to be straight, right?
If you never thought about it, how do you know people who came out later in life had ever thought about it?
 
No. I’ve never thought about it because I was not raised that way. I’m straight and always have been. I believe you are born straight and some influence changes you.

I’m just saying I find it hard to believe that it’s not a choice when I have seen people date the opposing gender then turn around and all of the sudden they are dating the same gender. That’s why I think it’s a choice.
You mean they are dating one gender, and realize they prefer the other? That is called discovering you are gay, not "changing your mind".
 
Hey man, when I got that strange tingle, I had the balls to go for it.

But, I'm one of those
Don't you knock it until you rock it
types
 
Well, I think I’m throwing in bi too much. I disagree. I think it is changing your mind if you bounce back and forth between who you date.
Being bisexual doesn't mean you change your mind and bounce back and forth. It means you are attracted to both sexes. They aren't straight while in heterosexual relationships and gay in homosexual relationships, they are just bisexual. You seem confused.
 
This has been interesting :D

I think it all boils down to what your religious beliefs are and how you were raised is what you think is right. It’s hard to discuss something like this without bringing religion into it because it does have a major impact on how you believe the way it works.

I think influence is a big factor as well. You don’t know right from wrong at a young age, you’re taught, so if you grew up in a household like mine, being gay was wrong. So I’m straight and will never think twice. However, I will never shun someone for it because that’s the way that person grew up.

Out of curiosity, I wonder what the percentage of being gay is if you were born in a religious household vs not?
 
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I said this already. I think you are born straight, but choose to be gay. I don’t think you are born on the fence 50-50. I also don’t think everyone sits down when they hit puberty and decides. I think the people who are gay, had some influence in their life to make them that way, because as I said or think I said, there’s no way a 1-2 year old knows whether they are gay or not. They watch certain tv shows, start to get on social media as they get older, see certain things, and all those influences manipulate your brain one way or the other. So maybe it’s not YOUR choice, but I do think that there is some choice involved whether that be from your parents, guardians, etc.

The reason why I think you are born straight and influenced to be gay is because the world wasn’t always like it is today. I know I haven’t been around as long as some of you folks, but I do know in Kentucky, especially small towns like mine, being gay was never heard of, then generations come and go and now it’s wide spread no matter where you live. So that’s why I think there has to he some influence.
So nothing scientific. Just anecdotes and folk tales. Gotcha.
 
If this kid was being raised in Alabama it'd be a different context. No one bats an eye at this shit in NYC.
 
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This has been interesting :D

I think it all boils down to what your religious beliefs are and how you were raised is what you think is right. It’s hard to discuss something like this without bringing religion into it because it does have a major impact on how you believe the way it works.

I think influence is a big factor as well. You don’t know right from wrong at a young age, you’re taught, so if you grew up in a household like mine, being gay was wrong. So I’m straight and will never think twice. However, I will never shun someone for it because that’s the way that person grew up.

Out of curiosity, I wonder what the percentage of being gay is if you were born in a religious household vs not?
Religion has no effect on sexual orientation from any data I've ever seen, though it does closet a lot of people. Just like Muslims dont think bacon tastes disgusting, they just do without due to religious beliefs.

You seem to have a lot of opinions not based on facts.

Edit: I assume you mean the religion you were raised in. Obviously tons of gay people leave the Church after being told they are going to burn in hell.
 
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