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****Official B1G Off-Season Thread****

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Welllll..............

2017-18 Preseason fav was MSU-----Guess who won the B10? Yep---MSU. MOF, they had MSU and Purdue 1 and 2----and thats exactly how it ended up.

2018-19: MSU preseason fav----Yep---MSU won it again. Had Michigan picked 2nd---finished one game behind Purdue----who was picked 5th.

2019-20: MSU : They tied with Maryland(2nd preseason) and Wisconsin(5th preseason)

2020-21: Illinois-----I mean the Illini did go 16-4, basically losing on winning percentage....

2021-22: Michigan/Purdue---Illinois received 3 votes. Way off on Wisky, who tied with Illinois, and Purdue finished one game out....

Seems to me the past 5 seasons, they have been pretty spot on, more often that not....
Illinois was not the preseason favorite by most.

Iowa/Wisconsin got most of the love.

Wisconsin just came off tying for the title and returned everybody, plus the Luka Garza love fest got Iowa up there.

Illinois got more love than Michigan but was far from the favorite that year.
 
Illinois was not the preseason favorite by most.

Iowa/Wisconsin got most of the love.

Wisconsin just came off tying for the title and returned everybody, plus the Luka Garza love fest got Iowa up there.

Illinois got more love than Michigan but was far from the favorite that year.
Ok....but the predictions were spot on---Right? Ever occur to you these predictions are based multiple things----and not just one thing, or two.? I mean IU returns roughly 80% of their production....other teams lost a lot, i.e. Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa.....IU did not. Aside from what IU returns, they borught in a Top 10 class---highlighted by two Top 25 kids. Only question with IU is-----shooting. If that improves, well IU becomes a very difficult team to deal with. And even if it doesn't, they'll still be a solid club.

In other words, I think folks look at the overall picture, and see what Indiana returns, their late season surge, the losses of other teams, and well, by most they have been tabbed as favorites.

Do I think its 100% IU wins the B10? No. Its a tough ass league. But I do think if Kopp can improve slighlty on his shooting, X remains at, or close to where he was, and Bates makes a good jump, Indiana has the ability to be pretty damn good.
 
If you think Reneau is a good 3pt shooter, I really don’t know what to tell you other than you are delusional. Teams will love for him to take contested 2 point jumpers tho.

Same with JHS.

XJ, Bates, and Kopp can (hopefully) shoot well from deep. Will it be enough to make up for TJD and Race clogging the lane like no other? We will see.
Never said Reneau was a good three point shooter----nor JHS. You said IU has bunch of bigs that cannot shoot. This is one of the many takes on Reneau:

While not as explosive an athlete as Trayce, he’s quicker than Race and has very polished footwork for his age, plus a midrange shot that will force opposing bigs to defend outside of the paint.

As for JHS----

Can get to the rim and finish while also possessing the ability to find teammates with accurate passes while on the move. Also has a nice pull up jumper, especially going left..

JHS is not a big, obviously. BUt his mid-range game has been described as good, to very good, and even elite.

IF Kopp/X/Bates can manage to shoot 35% or better from three, thats efficient enough to make teams respect them from the perimeter....I think Bates is the key, and tbh, I look for the kid to be totally different simply due to the fact I think he see's more time with the 1st group, i.e. TJD, Race...As a frosh, he was thrown into a role he wasn't ready for: A primary scorer. And that was due to being on the floor mostly with guys like Durr, Geronimo, Galloway, etc, etc....

My ONLY concern with this team is perimeter shooting. If that improves, IU could be really, really good. If it does not, still think they are a Top 4/5 ish team. LOt of talent in Bloomington.
 
Haven't seen MSU fans post this much in a while.
I’m basically the only one that consistently posts and I’ve had a pretty busy summer with very little news going on on the MSU front.

I just don’t really want to get in long debates about which team will be better because I honestly have no idea on MSU this year. I could see us missing the tournament or finishing top 4. I just don’t have a strong opinion either way.
 
It’s just really damn crowded. Not a knock on Gunn but saying zero chance isn’t accurate IMO. Look at a guy like Trey Kaufman-Renn for us last year. He came in much more highly-regarded than Gunn and redshirted. Part of it was injury but we were also loaded in the frontcourt.
You were loaded with basically two First team dudes in Williams and Edey...Gillis and Furst were simply more physically ready, and probably better.

IU has a deep b/c, but not so sure its "loaded": JHS brings a different skill set, approach than Gunn...Galloway cannot shoot....Leal cannot defend, nor create. Bates obviously is in the same spot as Gunn. But with CJ, he brings more IMO than Trey or Leal, and thats whos minutes I can see him getting.

Is it possible he RS? Sure. But with his ability to shoot, his defensive ability---Galloway/Leal couldn't guard a chair, his ability to score from three different levels: perimeter, at the rim, mid-range, IMO COULD push him past Trey/Leal.

I like Gunn. And TBH, I think he is better than Leal and Trey, right now.

But you are right---Indiana has a "loaded", crowded b/c. And the possibility I guess exist for a RS. BUt IMO, I just think the kid brings a very important pieve that IU is missing: Shooting. I guess the down fall for him is Woody does seem to favor upperclassmen. So that could lead to a RS.
 
Welllll..............

2017-18 Preseason fav was MSU-----Guess who won the B10? Yep---MSU. MOF, they had MSU and Purdue 1 and 2----and thats exactly how it ended up.

2018-19: MSU preseason fav----Yep---MSU won it again. Had Michigan picked 2nd---finished one game behind Purdue----who was picked 5th.

2019-20: MSU : They tied with Maryland(2nd preseason) and Wisconsin(5th preseason)

2020-21: Illinois-----I mean the Illini did go 16-4, basically losing on winning percentage....

2021-22: Michigan/Purdue---Illinois received 3 votes. Way off on Wisky, who tied with Illinois, and Purdue finished one game out....

Seems to me the past 5 seasons, they have been pretty spot on, more often that not....

2019 - Projected 3rd. Finished 9th.
2020 - P 10th. F 11th.
2021 - P 8th. F 11th.
2022 - P 7th. F 9th.

looks like the media continually overrates Indiana to me.
 
I’m totally on the same page that their lack of shooting is frustrating as a fan. I’m not under some illusion that they’ll be a good outside shooting team. All that being said, I’d way rather have someone with Tamar Bates’ upside playing 20+ minutes a game than someone like Parker Stewart who could do nothing but shoot (and by the end of the season he couldn’t do that).

At the very least Bates should act as another perimeter player who can beat his man off the dribble. He showed an ability to do that last year, his shooting and shot selection just left a lot to be desired.

Also FWIW, I don’t think IU is the favorite for the conference title next year. They have shown far too many warts the last three years to be given any benefit of the doubt. However, I’m going to give pushback on saying they’re a terrible team because they aren’t. They’re a talented, yet flawed team. That’s pretty much been my take the entire offseason.

Beat my Hoibergers and then we will truly see what's what
 
Just as a random Purdue fan -. I do think Woodson is doing a good job. His staff is recruiting at a high level and his videos seem to suggest he's a great defensive coach. Impressed with Indiana going forward. Definitely made sense to fire Archie and hire Woody.
 
It's also hard to gauge him vs Purdue. Painter is a great coach that has his system humming. Painter seems to pick and choose his guys very closely. Shooters are always a premium. Indiana seems like they want more athletic defenders and eschewing shooting. We will see what works this year.
 
I think the big ten coach I'm most impressed with is Brad Underwood. He's assembled a great team. If he doesn't make the sweet 16 this year, we have got to start asking questions because they do seem very loaded.
 
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I think the big ten coach I'm most impressed with is Brad Underwood. He's assembled a great team. If he doesn't make the sweet 16 this year, we have got to start asking questions because they do seem very loaded.
I’m not sold on this years team. Question marks at center and pg.
 
2019 - Projected 3rd. Finished 9th.
2020 - P 10th. F 11th.
2021 - P 8th. F 11th.
2022 - P 7th. F 9th.

looks like the media continually overrates Indiana to me.
So now we wanna move the goal post.....Gotcha. And to be fair, its not as if their predicitons were that far off----sans 2019.

Time will tell. I like IU's roster. Like this team. If the shooting improves, Indiana will be a difficult team to beat.
 
I’m not sold on this years team. Question marks at center and pg.
Illinois is difficult to predict. I think they have B10 talent to contend. But lost a lot. Ya'll will depend heavily on freshman, and transfers. Good news is, those frosh and transfers are pretty darn good.
 
It's also hard to gauge him vs Purdue. Painter is a great coach that has his system humming. Painter seems to pick and choose his guys very closely. Shooters are always a premium. Indiana seems like they want more athletic defenders and eschewing shooting. We will see what works this year.
Woody is certainly recruiting to run an NBA style approach, sort of a 4/1. BUT.....XJ did shoot 39%...Kopp 36%. I think Bates vastly improves as I feel he'll see more time, surrounded by better players, and won't be on the floor where he's the primary scoring option. I thnk that will help him tons. Gunn is a terrific shooter, but could get lost in a deep b/c. Geronimo shot looks good, and hope for improvement there.

IF Indiana can shoot a decent clip from 3, they'll be difficult to beat.
 
I thought Sky was a 5 star PG?
I’m not a huge fan of a freshman being depended on as much as we are with Skyy. Plus he’s coming off an injury. Our next PG is probably Rodgers…another freshman.

And I am in “prove it” mode with Dainja. Plus, I’m not a big fan of Hawkins…especially not at the 5. He has loads of talent…but I don’t trust him and his attitude issues. He’s had an offseason to grow, so hopefully he takes a big leap forward, mentally.
 
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We're ****ed as a program lol. Sounds like another serious injury has happened to someone on the team. Don't know who yet, the people on the paysite aren't leaking it.

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I think the big ten coach I'm most impressed with is Brad Underwood. He's assembled a great team. If he doesn't make the sweet 16 this year, we have got to start asking questions because they do seem very loaded.
I like Shrewsbury at PSU a lot, too. Wouldn't surprise me if has them consistently in the top half of the conference going forward. Might need to strike gold in the portal though, their recruiting continues to be subpar.
 
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I like Shrewsbury at PSU a lot, too. Wouldn't surprise me if has them consistently in the top half of the conference going forward. Might need to strike gold in the portal though, their recruiting continues to be subpar.
I have them top 5'ish or so this year---I like, him. LIke what he's doing. I think they'll surprise a lot of folk this year.
 
So I posted this last summer. Are we agreeing to not allow those coastal elites from USC/UCLA in here?

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Gehrig Normand committing to MSU tonight. Really like this addition. Good fit next to a guy like Fears.
 
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