*Official* B1G In-Season Thread

[B-Westy]

Can’t remember who said that, but it was a great take. I believe it was because it was because it wasn’t polished enough.

It was me. Never said he didn't have a post game. Just think it isn't as polished as someone like Happ, Haas, Hammons, etc.

He's a stud. Going to be a good NBA player, athletic, can block shots, rim run, hit the occasional jumper. Just think that some post players with a better game on the block.

 

[boilerzz]

the extension goes thru the end of Patricks SR season.

 

[klize17]

To the Iowa AD...

 

[buckymel]

To the Iowa AD...

Nah, he put B1G money to good use.

 

[Da_Bull]

For anybody else thats curious about buyouts. B1G is up there in the buyouts category, swinging their B1G dicks around.


http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/

2018 NCAA tournament coaches ehh?....

 

[Jaycg15]

And rarely makes shot assisted from other players so not sure what games you're watching where Cline feeds Edwards?

You keep throwing these things out that are either subjective or without statistical basis like they're factual. Show me the stats, and I'll buy it. I know he's an iso guy, but it doesn't mean Cline's not getting assists to Edwards.

 

[Da_Bull]

JFC OSU. I think Holtmann is good, but my god.

That 7 number I believe includes his butler buyout I believe.

 

[bMORE607]

2018 NCAA tournament coaches ehh?....

Lol good catch.

 

[CardinalBoiler]

You keep throwing these things out that are either subjective or without statistical basis like they're factual. Show me the stats, and I'll buy it. I know he's an iso guy, but it doesn't mean Cline's not getting assists to Edwards.

http://hoop-math.com/Purdue2019.php

 

[CardinalBoiler]

2018 NCAA tournament coaches ehh?....

Yeah, I assume they just kept a header from previous years and forgot they expanded the list. Archie's not the only one, too; I saw Frank Martin listed in there and USCjr didn't make the tournament last year.

 

[Jaycg15]

27% of Ryan Cline's offense is spot up shooting according to Synergy (91 FGA). That's by far his biggest contribution.10% lower than that is hand-offs for 51 FGA. I'll dig deeper when I get home.

 

[B-Westy]

You keep throwing these things out that are either subjective or without statistical basis like they're factual. Show me the stats, and I'll buy it. I know he's an iso guy, but it doesn't mean Cline's not getting assists to Edwards.

Just watch the games man. You’ve been moving the goalposts from the original point regardless.

If you watch games you see that he just doesn’t sit in the corner like a mailbox and wait for teams to double Edwards to shoot wide open threes. Watch the plays I linked above to see some of the different ways he can get his shot off. Saying he’s one dimensional is asinine.

 

[Da_Bull]

That 7 number I believe includes his butler buyout I believe.

If you couldn't tell i believe.

 

[blue_in_chicago]

No way. Not at 22-11. But would still prefer that over an 8/9

U are high. Recruit: i picked Iowa cuz they go to dayton a lot for the first four. LMAO

 

[Jaycg15]

Just watch the games man. You’ve been moving the goalposts from the original point regardless.

If you watch games you see that he just doesn’t sit in the corner like a mailbox and wait for teams to double Edwards to shoot wide open threes. Watch the plays I linked above to see some of the different ways he can get his shot off. Saying he’s one dimensional is asinine.

He shot double the amount of spot up than any other type of shot. That's not feels that's reals. Sorry bout shitting on ya narrative.

 

[blue_in_chicago]

if Fran is such a terrible coach then how did he do this
6 .500+ seasons out of the last 7 seasons in BT play
5 20+ winning seasons out of the last 7 seasons
25 wins in a season tying for the 2nd most wins in Iowa's history
developed 4 1st Team All BT and 1 2nd team AA
4th NCAAT in 6 seasons
2 NCAAT wins
that's more than Iowa had in the 11 seasons before he was hired

playing short handed for most of the season at the 4 & 5 spots
Garza missed playing time due a concussion
Connor suffered a concussion and has not recovered since it happened.
Cook missed games due to a ankle injury

Iowa lost to 3 quad 1 teams and the 4th was a quad 2 team, I asked a question nobody replied.
tell me how or why those teams have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO WIN?

He sucks. Just watch the team every Feb and March. Clear as day. Dont care what ur rambling facts say.

 

[bMORE607]

U are high. Recruit: i picked Iowa cuz they go to dayton a lot for the first four. LMAO

Wut?

 

[hawkit3113]

Wut?

I don't even know who this fvcking loser is.

 

[B-Westy]

He shot double the amount of spot up than any other type of shot. That's not feels that's reals. Sorry bout shitting on ya narrative.

It’s ok man. Every coach in the Big Ten would tell you he isn’t one dimensional. He made you look like an idiot with that awful pre-season prediction. He’s played like an All-B1G player this year. You were wrong. Own it.

 

[Jaycg15]

Cline is also elitely bad in PNR and iso defense. 9th and 7th percentile, respectively.

 

[bMORE607]

It’s ok man. Every coach in the Big Ten would tell you he isn’t one dimensional. He made you look like an idiot with that awful pre-season prediction. He’s played like an All-B1G player this year. You were wrong. Own it.

His PER and win shares are comparable to Jalen Smith. Points are about the same, Jalen averages 7 rebounds to 1 assist while Cline averages 3 and 3. He might sneak on the 3rd team but It’s not an awful preseason projection.

 

[blue_in_chicago]

Wut?

Him saying he would rather play in dayton over being a 8 or 9 seed. I was pretending to be a recruit and saying it aint gonna happen.

 

[bMORE607]

Him saying he would rather play in dayton over being a 8 or 9 seed. I was pretending to be a recruit and saying it aint gonna happen.

Stop huffing glue

 

[Jaycg15]

It’s ok man. Every coach in the Big Ten would tell you he isn’t one dimensional. He made you look like an idiot with that awful pre-season prediction. He’s played like an All-B1G player this year. You were wrong. Own it.

Just owning you with stats. He benefited from having a guy that drew the focus of defenses. He's a catch and shoot and screen open shooter. Those are the only two scoring categories he was above average on. The rest he was pretty bad. His next best category was handoff which he was 43rd percentile on- again, below average. He wasn't even the best guarded shot taker on his team. Eifert was 90th percentile vs Cline's 82nd.

Reals>feels

 

[SNU0821]

Just owning you with stats. He benefited from having a guy that drew the focus of defenses. He's a catch and shoot and screen open shooter. Those are the only two scoring categories he was above average on. The rest he was pretty bad. His next best category was handoff which he was 43rd percentile on- again, below average. He wasn't even the best guarded shot taker on his team. Eifert was 90th percentile vs Cline's 82nd.

Reals>feels

Pretty much what I've been saying which got the Purdue guys' panties all in a bunch.

 

[B-Westy]

His PER and win shares are comparable to Jalen Smith. Points are about the same, Jalen averages 7 rebounds to 1 assist while Cline averages 3 and 3. He might sneak on the 3rd team but It’s not an awful preseason projection.

Saying he would “nowhere close” to all Big Ten write him off as some cast-off was what he insinuated with the original projection.

He has the highest scoring average increase in the conference. He rebounds well for his size & leads a potential 3 seed in assists per game. Saying he’s one dimensional or that “he wouldn’t be close” to All-B1G is disingenuous.

 

[B-Westy]

Just owning you with stats. He benefited from having a guy that drew the focus of defenses. He's a catch and shoot and screen open shooter. Those are the only two scoring categories he was above average on. The rest he was pretty bad. His next best category was handoff which he was 43rd percentile on- again, below average. He wasn't even the best guarded shot taker on his team. Eifert was 90th percentile vs Cline's 82nd.

Reals>feels

Watch the clips above that I linked to show some examples of him benefitting from Edwards being double teamed. Lmao.

 

[Jaycg15]

Pretty much what I've been saying which got the Purdue guys' panties all in a bunch.

So glad i subscribed to synergy stats. It takes the guesswork out of shitting on fools.

 

[B-Westy]

Pretty much what I've been saying which got the Purdue guys' panties all in a bunch.

He would be the 3rd best player on IU’s roster. And a player you’d kill to have.

 

[Jaycg15]

Watch the clips above that I linked to show some examples of him benefitting from Edwards being double teamed. Lmao.

I don't need your anecdotes. I have multiple seasons worth of analytics.

 

[B-Westy]

I don't need your anecdotes. I have multiple seasons worth of analytics.

Do your analytics explain why Illinois just got boat raced by the worst offense in the conference?

 

[Jaycg15]

Do your analytics explain why Illinois just got boat raced by the worst offense in the conference?

Gotta love you constantly shifting the discussion when your original points get proven false.

And yes.

 

[SNU0821]

Do your analytics explain why Illinois just got boat raced by the worst offense in the conference?

Blaire, go hang out with your boyfriend. You've been owned here.

 

[bMORE607]

Saying he would “nowhere close” to all Big Ten write him off as some cast-off was what he insinuated with the original projection.

He has the highest scoring average increase in the conference. He rebounds well for his size & leads a potential 3 seed in assists per game. Saying he’s one dimensional or that “he wouldn’t be close” to All-B1G is disingenuous.

How does he rebound well for his size? Kenpom has his OR% at .6% and DR% at 9.6%. He’s not a great rebounder, he’s not a great defender. He’s a spot up shooter who makes the extra pass when the defense slides.

 

[B-Westy]

Gotta love you constantly shifting the discussion when your original points get proven false.

And yes.

You’re the one who has shifted it from:

1.) Cline isn’t close to All-B1G

To

2.) He’s a spot up shooter who benefits from Edwards being double team so he gets all his points from being wide open.

To

3.) He’s a one dimensional player weeee look at my stats Aaron Jordan is waaaay better.

 

[B-Westy]

How does he rebound well for his size? Kenpom has his OR% at .6% and DR% at 9.6%. He’s not a great rebounder, he’s not a great defender. He’s a spot up shooter who makes the extra pass when the defense slides.

Meant moreso his position. Not size.

My whole point is he outperformed some awfully low & disingenuous expectations some posters set for him.

You can wittle it down to advanced analytics all you want but a lot of people didn’t think he’d play this well this year. That’s the point.

 

[bMORE607]

Meant moreso his position. Not size.

My whole point is he outperformed some awfully low & disingenuous expectations some posters set for him.

You can wittle it down to advanced analytics all you want but a lot of people didn’t think he’d play this we’ll this year. That’s the point.

He is not a good rebounder. He should probably be a HM at best.

 

[B-Westy]

He is not a good rebounder. He should probably be a HM at best.

That’s fine I’ll concede that.

But no one thought he’d even be HM this year. He’s played way better than some thought he would.

 

[buckymel]

Looks like I'm gonna be rooting for Northwestern and UM tomorrow.
Will never root for Minnehaha.

Paths for Wisconsin to get the fourth seed:
1. Minnesota beats Maryland
2. Northwestern beats Purdue
3. Michigan beats Michigan State
4. Wisconsin beats Ohio State

If 1, 2, or 3 happens, Wisconsin gets the 4th seed over Maryland.
Otherwise, we have to do the hard work by beating Ohio State.

Edit: Maryland gets the 4th seed if none of the above happen.

 

[Jaycg15]

You’re the one who has shifted it from:

1.) Cline isn’t close to All-B1G

To

2.) He’s a spot up shooter who benefits from Edwards being double team so he gets all his points from being wide open.

To

3.) He’s a one dimensional player weeee look at my stats Aaron Jordan is waaaay better.

1 is the claim and 2 and 3 are the reasons. Quality logic and reasoning program at Purdue?

As for AJ, I think he's pretty much the same player in a different system. We don't run him off of screens like Purdue does. He probably would be much better in your program than he is at Illinois, honestly. He had to play out of position all season long, he's not athletic enough to play our defense. Whereas your defense hides that type of player better.

He only has had 7 possessions off of screen sets this year. That's crazy to think about for such a good shooter. Just like Cline he has no PNR or iso ability. Defense is hard to judge because AJ played the post and Cline didn't.