Thats why it seem like a meh trade. You pretty much flipped two prospects for Puig hoping you can get back better prospects. It seems like a gamble, unless you can get 2017 Alex Wood.
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Thats why it seem like a meh trade. You pretty much flipped two prospects for Puig hoping you can get back better prospects. It seems like a gamble, unless you can get 2017 Alex Wood.
I truly think the reds are trying to make a push this season. But regardless, giving up 2 mid-tier prospects for what they got back and getting rid of that contract is really a no-brainer to see what transpires.
The prospects we gave up weren't in the future plans, and we finally got rid of Homer Bailey, I would've traded him for a bag of balls. We also added a decent pitching coach as well so maybe that will help Wood out. Either way I like the trade.
It’s adjusted so it takes that into account. It’s not just what team hit the most HRs.
Do you think this move gives Cin a better roster than Chicago or Milwaukee? I don’t see it.
Something to be excited about because it’s different, sure, but it doesn’t move the needle the way a Lorenzo Cain signing or Yelich trade did for Milwaukee last year.
Yea, but you got Kemp's contract back. And its hard to call your first round pick from 2017 just a mid tier guy. You have to let him develop a little.
I don't know man it's too early to tell. We still need pitching to be a real contender anyway.
I think this is last season on contact though and Bailey had another season left still. And I’m not discounting him but I’m just saying Puig is by far more proven at the major league level and the reds have a lot of good young hitting they’ve stockpiled now so they can afford to do stuff like this.
No I'm not, I never even said we were a contender lol Just got to see how things shake out.
So hard to choose between cards, Cubs, and brewers. Tough ass division.
From what I’ve seen, it shows the dodgers as being responsible for $23,000,000 this year and $25,000,000 next year but they’re buying it out anyway to clear room for Harper.
He’s got a $5 million dollar buyout, I think after this year.
Its a mutual buyout. I’m not positive if that means both have to agree to it or just the club.
It should also be of note, that even when Homer Bailey was considered a “good young talent”, every home game that I went to the dude would give up 5+ runs in the first 2 innings to completely kill any hope of winning the game. I hate that guy, I truly do.
While on Spotrac I looked up the MLB salaries for next year. Fvck the Nats who cry poor and then have the top 2 contracts. They don’t deserve what they are asking from the MASN deal.
Yep you’re correct. After looking at it I think it’s a $25,000,000 mutual option or a $5,000,000 buyout if the dodgers don’t agree to the option which they obviously would not. So the dodgers essentially owe him $28 million for not throwing a pitch for their team.
I can see them and the Brewers being pretty similar this season honestly. Definitely have the hitting just need the pitching to keep up. Think the cubs and cards already have both.
I thought Max Scherzer was insane for turning down the contract extension he got from the Tigers a few years ago. He got more from the Nats and quite honestly has been worth even more. I admire the set of balls that guy has on him for the gamble he took and kicked in the ass.
Similar? Brewers have undeniably the better bullpen. Milwaukee has a slightly better staff and their lineups are similar with an edge to Milwaukee if anything.
I’ll take Milwaukee 5 games over Cincy in a bet for whatever amount of money you can afford.
Our lineups should both be elite. Our staff was better last year, you guys add Alex Wood we add Jimmy Nelson so we should still have the slight edge there. Milwaukee has one of the best bullpens in baseball, though. That’s where the huge difference is. Is there a better back end in the NL than Hader-Jeffres-Knebel?
I’d rather see Detroit win a World Series but I moved to Milwaukee two years ago and have been to about 15 brewers games since.
Yeah I think they’re similar. Reds bullpen is actually pretty good now with Iglesias, Garrett, and Lorenzen all stepping up last year. It SHOULD only get better this season.
Iglesias is one of the best closers in baseball when healthy. The Reds bullpen was the strength of the team last year and that's with what was an awful starting rotation. The Reds need to trade for a top end starter though before I'm going to put them in this discussion.
It's also hard to have this argument when you guys were an eyelash from the NL pennant and the Reds were sitting at home with 67 wins.lol
I do think the roster looks much improved especially with Senzel starting opening day finally.(wait till you see this kid) But until our starting rotation gets better or proves to me it's better it's hard for me to see us as a contender yet.
Still doesn’t compare to Hader-Jeffres-Knebel. Don’t be stupid.
I’m giving you a 5 game cushion, 1 month ban bet?
Knebel was arguably THE best closer in baseball when healthy two years ago. He was solid last year but battled injury. Hader and Jeffres are two of the best RP in baseball.
Bullpen ERA:
Milwaukee 5th
Cincinnati 24th
What’s stats support that the the bullpens are even close?
Think about not this..... our lineups are similar, agree? As good as Milwaukee’s lineup is I think our bullpen is our strongest unit.
No, I said they were similar not that the reds were better. I still think the Brewers are better but they’re built similarly to the reds.
They could but I’m not betting on it. The reason I’m optimistic that the reds will be much improved though is that
1) the hitting has already proven to be good enough
2) the more pitching you add the more you can rely on guys that were once pegged as starters to be contributors in the bullpen (Iglesias, Lorenzen, Garret, Stephenson, Romano all come to mind of guys that have good enough stuff to be rp’s but couldn’t cut it as starters)
But they HAVE to add more proven starting pitching for this even to be the case.
The Reds starters were awful last year, for instance Homer Bailey had a 1-14 record with over a 6 era. At one point he lost 9 straight starts. They also didn't go deep into games which wore down the bullpen. Eventually causing Iglesias and others to get injured. That starters have a huge effect on how well the bullpen performs throughout the year.
Not saying it's better than the Brewers but Iglesias is every bit as good of a closer as Knebel. Lorenzen and Garrett are pretty damn good as well. I'm actually not worried one bit about the bullpen.
Our starters have to go deeper and we need to add a top of the rotation guy, that's what's holding the Reds back right now. We do have Derek Johnson now (former Brewers pitching coach) so hopefully that helps clean some things up. The Reds aren't done with trades though so it's really a pointless discussion at this point.
Iglesias is as good as knebel was last year, sure. Iglesias will never be as good as 2017 knebel (but knebel will probably never be that good either).
Look at Hader and Jeffres season last year, man. It’s like you only watch Cincy baseball. Those two were both all stars despite not even closing. Their numbers are insane.
I would definitely give them the edge over Lorenzen and Garrett at this point yes. They're both young though with room to improve. The lineup looks elite and I'm not worried about the bullpen.
I'm telling you though, this conversation is moot until we add a starter. It's the weakness of the team and it needs to be addressed before I'm putting the reds in that category. It's also hard to have debates and make bets at this point when we don't even know what the rosters are going to look like at spring training. (The Reds will definitely make more trades before then)
Getting Homer off the books is huge. That contract was a joke.
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