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That’s fair. Perhaps we’re starting to talk in circles, or maybe I should start drinking, idk.
New California vs CalExit
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So far I’ve read about a hypothetical tour guide trying to get said tourists to use gender fluid pronouns, and that you wouldn’t want to visit a hot climate (even though it isn’t, which I’ve tried to “bludgeon” that in your head repeatedly) and you’d prefer a cruise in Alaska, because somehow that would be cheaper than taking a flight from Detroit to SFO which when planned ahead of time run about 350-400$ round trip.
Facepalm to the furthest extent
1. The tour guide comment was quite obviously a joke.
2. I was mistaken on the climate but saying that I don't like hot climates doesn't mean I'm calling hot climates shitty. Not even close.
3. I said I'd prefer an Alaskan cruise over a Bahamas Cruise.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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When I'm about to win you'll stomp your foot and freeze the game and call it a draw. I'd then pull up a video of the Milwaukee riots and relate it somehow. You'd tell me how much the weather in the midwest sucks, but still offer to pay for my motel 6 room. I'd find bed bugs in my motel 6 and have to pay a different room anyways.
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I like Disney World better. However I’ve only been to Disney Land once and I was like 27, I was 13 at Disney World. And I was with my sister and nephew at Disney Land. So...
So visit Florida before California???
Because that is going to be the biggest selling point to my wife.
Disney World has more parks and more stuff to do.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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If you’re basing it solely on Disney World vs Disney Land, yes. However, Orlando is no where near a beach, and Anaheim is like 20 miles from Huntington Beach.
Unfortunately, the numbers aren't that straight-forward. The cost of living is much, much higher in California. I used the CNN Cost of Living Calculator, and when I compare Durham, NC, to the 9 listed metropolitan areas of California, you're looking at a difference of roughly $26,000 - at least for someone who earns about $50,000 in Durham. That means for essentially have the same credentials and the same proportional expenses, someone from California would be paying roughly $10,000 in federal taxes, whereas a Durham resident would be paying roughly $4,300 (this is a simplistic calculation, as it's only really factoring in the standard deduction).
Let's split the difference between $76k and $50k, and say the national average for someone with the same type job, work experience, and education is $63k. That means, on average, a person is paying $7,160 on federal taxes.
Let's take the real tax dollars received for California, where you reference it being 78 cents on the dollar. If the average person in the position, from Cali, is contributing $10,000 in federal taxes, $0.78 on the dollar would be a return of $7,800. The Durham resident would need a $1.814 return on the dollar to match California. So more than likely California, in this overly simplistic example, CA would not only be way ahead of the Durham resident, but also well above the national average ($7,160)... Also, if I'm not mistaken, California is a fairly young state, something like %10 of the population is over 65, meaning they wouldn't be bringing much back from Social Security.
I've lived in California for the last 20 years. Nobody is proposing leaving the union except for a small faction of far right wingers who don't like the changing demographics and a few traitors with Russian ties.
Seems like you just spent a lot of time trying to argue that there aren't a lot of red rural states dependent on states like California for tax dollars.
You aren't going to win that argument. Hang it up.
I really didn't see anything ITT that would cause you to be ao defensive and insecure. I have already told you that I would visit California given the opportunity. It's not that I am saying California is an ugly place where everybody is a flaming intolerant lib. I know there are just as many or more great people in California than any other state. I just find their politics to be whacky and irresponsible.
All of that said, this thread was intended to be a discussion of two movements coming out of the state. It seems that people want to argue whether or not it is a good thing for California to secede and completely ignore the other movement to become two states.
You shouldn't be upset about this because both movements have been driven by the people inside your bubble not mine. I was just curious what other people's thoughts on it were. Wasn't taking a shot at Cali.
Excellent rebuttal. Very informative.
Electricity, gas, food, and basic commodities simply cost more in California. Minimum wage is $11 an hour, which means absolutely nothing comes cheap. 5 of the 7 most expensive real-estate cities are located in California. The median house price in San Francisco is valued at $1.61 million. Just 5 years ago, it was somewhat reasonable at 865k.
34% of the welfare recipients in the US reside in California, and they have the 3rd highest rate, per-capita. Cali also has the highest poverty rate in the country.
Californians like to boast that they have the 5th or 6th highest GDP in world. But when we adjust for the cost of living, it falls to 11th. Long story short, yeah, California is overrated. The have higher paying jobs because the prices for housing, food, or anything else more closely resembles that of Western Europe than any state in America. You pay more taxes with higher paying jobs, so when you only get $0.78 cents on the dollar, that really means nothing because you're still coming out on top once the prices have been adjusted for inflation.
San Diego may have the best climate on earth. If it gets hot during the day, just wait until night and the temp plunges. Plus there are Navy guys everywhere and they are patriots.
I struggle with some of the crap put out above.
California is a wonderful place. There are all sorts of different places to see. The differences from Southern California to Northern California are as vast as the differences from New Jersey to Florida because California is a massive state that is stretched North to South.
However, because of bad government the taxes are out the ass. One of my best friends lives in Palm Springs, CA. He loves it. But they are pricing him out. He is an old retired man of 72 and they are now suggesting that you can’t use more than 55 gallons of water a day. Year before last they restricted water and he lost his yard. Now it is okay to water your yard but not take a shower.
How much should the government dictate how you live? They play with you like you are stupid.
I have been all over California and it is a great place. I would not live there because of the taxes and the stupid government; and they are stupid.
California is a wonderful place. There are all sorts of different places to see. The differences from Southern California to Northern California are as vast as the differences from New Jersey to Florida because California is a massive state that is stretched North to South.
However, because of bad government the taxes are out the ass. One of my best friends lives in Palm Springs, CA. He loves it. But they are pricing him out. He is an old retired man of 72 and they are now suggesting that you can’t use more than 55 gallons of water a day. Year before last they restricted water and he lost his yard. Now it is okay to water your yard but not take a shower.
How much should the government dictate how you live? They play with you like you are stupid.
I have been all over California and it is a great place. I would not live there because of the taxes and the stupid government; and they are stupid.
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Great stuff. Just great. But again doesn't change the fact that California isn't sandbagging the US economy and contributes far more than it consumes. Also, I'm not sure you realize how GDP works.
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anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Yeah, Kentucky totally isn’t ignorant and dumb with Bevin at the helm..
Bevin is like Trump. Says stupid stuff, but has done well with his policies.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Yeah, cutting teachers meager pensions, and screwing our education system is great for Kentucky’s already horrendous educational national ranking.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Orlando is 50 mins away from Daytona Beach, with a total of 5 red lights.
Been there done that drive a dozen times
Bevin is absolutely awful. Complete idiot. Not sure what policies he has that are good policies. I talk to people in state government, some of who are Republicans, and still haven't talked to anyone who thinks he's doing a good job. Is literally just replacing board members and state workers for political favors and power plays. Absolutely awful.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Ah, gotcha. I’ve only been once, and I thought it was more central, whoops.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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Those fools who voted him in called Tim Conway the “conman”, thick ****ing irony.
I want to visit Cali just to get higher than I’ve ever been before
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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It’s okay to be mistaken about the distance or climate of a place you haven’t been or don’t frequent.
I haven't been to Disneyland in 6-7 years so I haven't seen the Star Wars stuff but it felt small and really outdated compared to Disney World. Space Mountain still held up as being awesome. Everything else was eh.
anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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But I’ve been there, and what you’re trying to do doesn’t rustle me nor is relevant to the other conversation. Reach harder, my dear boy.
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anon_0astpxev9h4gk
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FTR I never mentioned anything about the climate of Orlando, but if you’d like me to provide a thorough analysis of just how hot and humid it is, I can most certainly do that for you.