I think Houston is good. Really good; especially defensively. I just think the nod goes to Gonzaga. They were a Top 5 team all year. And IMO, didn't do anyting to say otherwise.
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Going to zone helped, sure, but it was UT's offense that really made the difference. Here are UT's possessions from 72-64 on (leaving out the final 2 FTs):
- 2 points (FTs)
- 3 points (and one)
- 3 points (three)
- 3 points (three)
- 3 points (three after o-reb)
- 2 points (FTs)
I agree. SHould have won those games by 20+. That is what better teams do. A good team, probably has a hiccup here or there. Or at least a close game, here and there. They really didn't. They did what great teams do----Beat the piss out of inferior teams.
They stepped OOC, and played some really good teams, i.e. Duke, UT, @ UNC and Washington. They beat two teams who are playing for their respective conference titles: Duke and Washington. They lost by 3 to a team that is likely to be a # 1 seed----Tenn. They did this short-handed. No Tille. They went to Chapel Hill, and ran into a buzzsaw with Carolina. I mean they did score 90 points.
I guess I'm not sure what you are ';arguing". I think we both feel they are a good team. I mean, I think? IMO, they could win the whole damn thing. They are certainly good enough to do so. Or, they could lose in the 2nd round. IMO, I think they get to the FF. I think they are that good. Of course, how the draw pans out plays a role. We shall see.
To me Jeff, Gonzaga stacks right up there with Duke, UK, UNC, UT, etc, etc...
Disagree with this- they already beat a Duke with Zion team, and lost to Vols by what 3 points....
A veteran team vs a team whose 3 freshmen account for 75% of their points in a early season matchup. I'm pretty sure the ceiling was way higher for Duke in regards to improvement.
Gonzaga just lost to a pretty bad St Marys team a few days ago
Didn't say they couldn't compete, but I am saying that those other teams vying for a 1 seed are much tougher and I think would be too physical for Gonzaga.
They don't deserve a 1 seed. They have the resume of a 4 seed tbh
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Good point about Duke's ceiling from back in November- but to be fair, Zags did go regular season in-conference 16-0. Can't expect them to go 18-0 counting conference tourney every season. But the way they lost however...
I think we do agree, Gonzaga is really good, but I don't agree that Gonzaga stacks up with the teams you listed and their win against Washington is about as good as a win over Pepperdine. Washington is terrible.
We can make excuses for why Gonzaga lost to UNC, SMC and UT, but they lost .
Their resume has 1 good win on it and that happened in December.
This is what gets me....Gonzaga was a Top 5, preseason team. Beat Duke....Lost to UT by 3, on a neutral floor. Beat Washington....Lost by 12 AT North Carolina. They were seen THEN as a really good team.
But now, suddenly----they are not?
A 4-seed? Really? You think they are on par with teams like Wisconsin, VaTech, etc, etc?
Man you are way to hing up on their resume.
Washington is terrible? They went 16-2 in the Pac-12. Yeah, I know...But 16-2 in a P5 conference is 16-2. Plus, they only lost to Gonzaga by 2. How can Gonzaga be really good----and Washington be really bad?
Jeff you are letting Gonzaga's resume blind you to how good this team is. IDGAF if they played Pepperdine 27 times. This team can play with any team in CBB.
Why? They beat Duke....I know, I know....that game was in August...blah, blah and blah. Lost to UT by 3---on a neutral floor. I know......"August'. Lost at UNC. Beat Washington. Then ran the table in their conference. Yes, a bad conference. But they just didn't win games---They beat the shit out of people. Which is well, what really good teams do.
Its amazing. This team was really good in December, etc, etc...And w/o a key contributor. But suddenly, now, in March, they are not? You really don't think this Gonzaga team could beat a UT, UNC, UK, Duke----on a neitral floor? Man I do.
Of course the ceiling was higher for Duke. But why pretend as if a team who started 2 sophomores(Kispert/Norval), had a freshman play 13 minutes(scroing 11 points)...couldn't get better? I mean not to mention they didn't have a key piece in Tille either. Sure Gonzaga was the more experienced team. Hell everyone Duke plays is more experienced. Didn't seem to bother Duke though when they dismantled UK by 34.
And talk about experience......UT. Ton of experience. Gonzaga handled that pretty good.
Gonzaga is a damn good basketball team. Y'all letting their resume fool you. You'll see come tourney time.
Anyone else still happy that Kentucky lost today?
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No they can't, won't.
Who said they were good in Dec? Gonzaga will start every season top 6 or 7, then their schedule will protect their ranking. They beat Duke's all star freshmen in their 1st week and lost 2 the other 2 teams who was ranked. Hell, they have 0 wins against a ranked team since 11/121/18..
Thats why
What does their resume look like to you. Look at their resume and tell me it's better than a 4 seed.
If you did a blind resume, no way you would say it's top 3 seed worthy.
Completely agree. And let's be honest. Duke really hasn't gotten much better from November. Their high point was that absolute massacre against UK. They still are the overwhelming favorites because Zion is the best player since AD left.
In a thread with Crazy congrats on being the biggest loser.
Why are you so bitter at my happiness?
Watching your fanbase eat shit after all the trash you talk every year is a national treasure.
SEC regular season title? Swing and a miss
SEC tourney title? Swing and a miss
Sweet sixteen? Swing and a miss
Strike three. You are out.
When you compare the metrics, the zags would be right there with those teams, maybe a notch better.
Gonzaga is getting way too much credit and it's just because they're Gonzaga and everyone is giving them a pass because they play in a garbage conference.
Two weeks ago everyone was saying "Gonzaga is a 1 seed just as long as they don't lose".
Well, they lost, but somehow they are still a 1 seed.
Good game Vols... Down the stretch, your guys outplayed ours.
There's actually some good that can come out the loss. 1 extra day of rest from the attrition tournament. EJ looked damn good today. I hope it continues. Nick played solid. And this just might put us as 2 seed in the South. However I would rather play Duke in the finals. We started the season playing, let's end it in the final game. Would that be a first? That's supposing we can make it that far. Another battle with UT, why not....
There's actually some good that can come out the loss. 1 extra day of rest from the attrition tournament. EJ looked damn good today. I hope it continues. Nick played solid. And this just might put us as 2 seed in the South. However I would rather play Duke in the finals. We started the season playing, let's end it in the final game. Would that be a first? That's supposing we can make it that far. Another battle with UT, why not....
Did none of these things, don't give a shit what the fanbase does. Pretty funny coming from an OSU fan talking about fan bases though. Enjoy living vicariously through other teams because yours are dog shit.
Go look it up Borden. Washington is rated #47 on KP.....47th.
They're adjusted Offensive efficiency rating is 107th....107th.
Yup, I said Gonzaga was good, but while they are struggling with the Washington's of the world, the rest of the possible 1 and 2 seeds are having to play much tougher teams twice a week home and away.
They lost to Saint Mary's. SMC is ranked 31st on KP and has the 114th rated offense. 56th rated defense. That's a seriously bad loss.
UK and UNC are losing 1 seeds because they lost to other 1 seeds after playing in conferences that are ten times as tough as the WCC.
There's a different standard for Gonzaga. They lost in their tournament to a bad team, a team that was NIT bound.
Gonzaga has no business on the 1 line. They have the resume of a 4 seed.
Who said Gonzaga was good in December? They probably were "good", but all those other teams on the 1 and 2 line got much better throughout the season than Gonzaga did.
There's no way any of the teams on the 1, 2 or 3 line would lose to that bad SMC team. That was a garbage team and Gonzaga couldn't even score 50 points on them.
You putting way too much weight on a win in December. It was in a tournament and was the 3rd game in three days and Duke is thin.
Still, Gonzaga is 1-2 against ranked teams, played the 81st ranked schedule and lost to an NIT team to finish the season.
Compare their resume to Michigan State, Michigan, UK, UNC, Texas Tech, Duke, UVA, LSU, UT or even Houston. It doesn't stack up. Their resume is garbage.
Being "good" and being #1 or 2 seed good, are two different things.
Hell, Virginia tech is "good", doesn't mean they should be given a damn 1 seed.
Go to the football board, he is a worse poster over there too. OSU is trash in sports that the NCAA is investigating LOL
Take it? I think we are GIVING it ! You're the one looking stupid. I'm having fun myself
Looks like you're the one that can't take it. When you're life is improved because another team loses, it makes you look pretty pathetic.
It’s ok Della I’m happy for you. I’m pulling for UT tomorrow because I want you to have some history to talk about
It’s ok Della I’m happy for you. I’m pulling for UT tomorrow because I want you to have some history to talk about
You really pulling for us?
2 turnovers in your last 4 possessions. Didn’t defend the 3 ball. Should I continue or do like KenTuck fans and always blame it on the refs? How about allowing an 18-6 run in the final 3 minutes?
Honestly I don’t care who wins. If UT wins I’ll be happy for you but I honestly don’t care who wins.
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