Same was true with Obama in office. I assume politics has been like this for a long long time.
Is the Summit the biggest news this offseason?
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Same was true with Obama in office. I assume politics has been like this for a long long time.
He is better? How? This deal is worse than the Iran one. We got nothing and took a shat again on our allies AGAIN for Russia, China and North Korea. Let that soak in. Are Republicans this stupid? Plus, Iran is/was a bigger threat than North Korea. That idiot just runs his mouth and isn't going to do anything. He is a poor country that starves his people so fatty can stay fat.
Thats why I vote based on healthcare, taxes, and national security. We have people voting based solely on social issues imo.
6 1/2 more years of you crying
Do you think our allies our stupid enough to end relations with us over the comments from one guy, who happens to be a little more vocal and aggressive than your typical politician? Are they going to end 100+ years of friendly relations just like that?
Also, how could this possibly be worse than the Iran deal? We did not give North Korea billions and billions of dollars. And I can assure you Trump will never do that. The Iranian deal did nothing to disarm their missiles or end their terror funding. Funny how Iran's military budget increased by 40% after the deal. If Iran wants the sanctions lifted, all they have to do is disengage from terrorist pursuits and nuclear weapons.
Also, I'm inclined to think Trump isn't one who's going to capitulate easily. The two likely outcomes are either peace or war. If we have to overthrow the North Korean leaders by force, that might be for the betterment of the world.
I posted the White House statement that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat.
In response, you posted about people wanting to downplay the summit.
That was an odd response, and seemed to be more about sort of looking for a fight rather than addressing the statement, you know?
To be fair, this “deal” is just getting started. It’s not done. It’s in its early stages. We don’t know how it’s going to turn out. What I do know, is that Iran deal is looking more and more like it was a disaster. I won’t make any comment on what Trump says, because I think he talks just to talk and to piss off the media to keep them attacking him.
Ha. I don't care enough to look for a fight. I was just mocking CNN and other news organizations. When I responded I didn't pay attention to who posted the message. It had nothing to do with you.
That’s exactly right. Some (lots) folks around the country don’t get that social issues aren’t as important as it may be with others. Some people vote on other issues.
So what you focused on, when the President of the United States declared that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat to the world, is a bashing of the news media for rightfully and factually pointing out that there is no real, concrete deal in place?
That amazes me.
Hey slugger! What has Trump done besides make his family rich and give secrets to Putin? I'll wait.
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As long as you don't have the misconception that Liberals are disproportionately voting based on "social issues," then I'm good with that. I don't ever vote for President because I live in NY - so the Dem will always win unless the Republican is exceptional - but if I did, I would have voted Hillary almost solely because she was more qualified for the position, much more qualified, imo. I liked the idea of cutting the corporate tax rate and removing tax loopholes but wasn't convinced Trump could do that while also making the necessary spending cuts to the right areas. More money in the pockets of Americans is sweet but the deficit and debt still matter. I want cheaper healthcare as much as the next guy but deregulation, in an industry rampant with abusive pricing, was not the way to go. We need pricing regulation on healthcare providers and hospitals to fix the country's healthcare mess, not deregulation of what basic services have to be covered by insurance. Lastly, national security wasn't and isn't high on my list of priorities right now. Illegal immigrants haven't impacted my life and foreign terrorism didn't/doesn't worry me because we were already doing a pretty good job of stopping foreign terrorism after 9/11.
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You must not like the economic data, tax reform, deregulation, increased border security, low unemployment, etc...
How hurt are your feelings knowing that Trump, of all people, is a better president already than your boy Obumma? I’m not sure you’ve stopped crying yet. You got a long six years to go big guy.
MSM coverage of this has been kinda frightening. Just keep in mind many on tv discussing this were part of previous administrations. They are biased as their screw ups caused a need for this summit
@Bert Higginbotha, maybe you missed this earlier, but I was looking for your source for the 90% VAT on US cars sold in Germany (which appears to form the basis for your 100% claim later). Can you please share?
Further in the thread, you sort-of replied to brooky03 on the issue, but seemed to have missed my question (and the reply to brooky03 in no way sourced the 90% VAT claim).
FWIW, I do not have your decades of experience in shipping freight between the US and Canada, and my only first hand experience with this issue is living in Germany for several months and having close friends that lived there for years (one of my best friends met his wife there near Ramstein AB in the K-town area), so maybe I'm missing it. But I saw the 90% VAT claim and immediately thought it seemed suspiciously high. The research I did suggests that it was, in fact, not true. If that research is correct, it seems weird to me that someone with my limited experience sussed that out, and someone as experienced as you was unable to notice such a huge discrepancy between reality and claim. Am I missing a source on the 90% claim?
Further in the thread, you sort-of replied to brooky03 on the issue, but seemed to have missed my question (and the reply to brooky03 in no way sourced the 90% VAT claim).
FWIW, I do not have your decades of experience in shipping freight between the US and Canada, and my only first hand experience with this issue is living in Germany for several months and having close friends that lived there for years (one of my best friends met his wife there near Ramstein AB in the K-town area), so maybe I'm missing it. But I saw the 90% VAT claim and immediately thought it seemed suspiciously high. The research I did suggests that it was, in fact, not true. If that research is correct, it seems weird to me that someone with my limited experience sussed that out, and someone as experienced as you was unable to notice such a huge discrepancy between reality and claim. Am I missing a source on the 90% claim?
Of course, nothing happened.
Hell, if talks to denuclearize North Korea had been important Obama would have done it. By Obama not doing anything proves how stupid that Trump was in meeting with Kim at the Singapore summit.
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I'm not following your logic. Why would Obama not doing something prove that Trump doing that thing makes Trump stupid?
btw, Obama was busy dealing with the bigger nuclear threat, Iran, during his presidency.
And I do agree that some regulations are necessary.
However, I prefer that Congress pass laws instead of giving some unelected bureaucrat the power to devastate an industry like has happened in some departments.
The EPA went too far. I agree totally that we should not pollute the planet. My big problem with the EPA was its declaration that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. Plants must have carbon dioxide to live. They went after farmers and tried to dictate how they could use their ponds etc.
Farmers care far more about their land than a damned EPA nutjob.
I was being nasty and sarcastic. Tongue in cheek.
I was indicating that if it had been the right thing to do Obama would have done it as he was so brilliant. Dumb Donald is too stupid to do anything worthwhile.
North Korea has nuclear weapons. Iran does not, yet.
Created this gift to humanity.
33 percent Donald, 33 percent Ivana, 33 percent the plastic surgeon who did that nose, those boobs, and those eyes
Would smash. Over and over and over.
I understood the sarcasm. I didn't understand who it was directed at or why. The benefit of the summit with Un is being questioned because of what it did or didn't accomplish, not because Trump did it rather than Obama. Not all, or most, criticism aimed at Trump is because he's Trump, it's because all presidential actions warrant criticism.
Obama could have met with the leader of North Korea. Yes, that is fact. It was true for him and the presidents before him; they all could have met with the leader of North Korea. The question was whether or not it was a good idea to meet with the leader of North Korea. And that remains to be seen.
Oh, I totally believe liberals place heavy emphasis on social issues when it comes time to vote. Much more than the conservatives....and i'm not really sure that is some sort of revelation at all. Isn't that exactly how they control the minority vote or am I missing something? I used to really be concerned about the deficit but it always seems like business as usual and nothing ever happens. That is why the country should be ran more like a business and not like a piggy bank for handouts WHEN........we are in the unhealthy red.
I couldn't agree more with your healthcare view. It's absurd and I don't run my clinic that way. Its gouging at epic levels to pad to many pockets----and a lot of unnecessary liability b/c we live in a sue happy world with insane payouts. Hospitals disguise themselves as non-profit and insurers manipulate numbers to make it look like they cant keep up.
National security isn't high on your list because we have put so much time and effort into counter measures. Its one of the best parts about living here. I do agree with clamping down on the wasteful spending---its a must.
The social issues point comes down to how we define social issues. Both sides vote based on social issues, just different ones, or from different perspectives. Both sides vote based on economic issues, just different ones, with different priorities. Same with foreign affairs and so on. It's hard to argue the point without knowing what 'social issues' we're talking about. Welfare is used as much, or more, by demographics that would typically be associated with Republicans (poor white people), so maybe it could be argued that Dems do a better job of representing that part of their voter base (poor minorities), or that Republicans do a better job of getting that part of their base (poor white people) to vote against their interests? Idk. Then you have social issues like abortion. Liberals tend to be pro choice and Conservatives tend to be pro life. Both parties have candidates who incorporate issues like these into their platform and both parties have voters who base their votes largely on these issues. I don't think it skews more heavily to one side or the other.
Knowing that you work in the healthcare industry, I'm glad we agree on where healthcare needs to be fixed.
I'm also glad we agree that the country has done a good job on the national security front since 9/11. Since it was a part of your voting decision, though, I'm assuming we disagree about the current and future measures required to maintain a high level of security. I don't think tighter immigration and border restrictions were necessary. At least, I don't think it should have been a top priority. I don't think Hillary would have enacted any policies that would have jeopardized national security. I'm not a big subscriber to the belief that her private server was going to open the door to Russia and bring down the country, and there was no way she'd use a personal device like that as POTUS, so it wasn't a concern for me.
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I spent 10 years in the military and as a defense contractor and ~ 10 in the private sector. There is nothing that can compare to the scale of waste in the military and military related spending (an industrial complex, if you will). Eisenhower was the last POTUS that even cared about it because, by and large, voters are easily manipulated by the flag/troops/nationalism (which is distinct from patriotism). It's maddening.
I could go back and forth on some of this stuff forever...and i don't think we would have many disagreements....b/c the answer is somewhere in the middle. The social issue angle I take is mostly based off of our current climate. But I can also see how people were swayed republican by christian and catholic beliefs that its THEIR party. I do think a ton people voted for obama based on skin color as well as votes cast against him b/c of his skin color. Both are wasted votes and those people are almost too dumb to deserve to vote. But harping on everything Obama did or Trump does just b/c you don't belong to that party is absurd. And it is/was constant. If conservatives could come up with an educated way of saying we personally don't believe in abortion in the general sense, we know there is a time and place for reasons that are understood. Although we are pro-life and abortion is wrong, we also feel like it is up to an individual to make that choice and let their higher being do the judging---I think many could move past the subject. Basing your vote off of one issue is also pretty strange and uneducated imo.
I think national security should remain a focus, b/c we are one incident away from heartbreak. I do believe in border control.....secure as ever----we know who comes in and out. I have no wiggle room on this. What I do believe strongly in is streamlining the immigration process that is thorough, but simple. They can't be dependent on domestic aid and have to have a non violent record. I'm all for people being able to live their dream but there should be a process that protects americans and it should be followed to a "T". I also believe in common sense exceptions. But you can't have rules that make complete sense, and then not follow them. They need to set up a program to VET hard working illegals here where if they have proved they are worthy of being an american and have followed the laws...they can stay. But they have to self report and get their papers right within a reasonable timeline or they essentially prove they can't follow enough rules to be here.
I also don't think Clintons email thing was some epic security risk. It was blown out of proportion. What was worse was how she denied it and went lawyer mode and can't recall mode instead of just coming clean. She covered her tracks like a guilty person. She wasn't honest about a lot of things. I think Clinton....much like Trump, would work any angle to get voters. It would be a refreshing change to have a somewhat honest person in office that just called it like it is. Clinton would have fared better had she been upfront and not hitched her wagon with obama. Out of those three the most dangerous was Sanders b/c if his ideas were pushed thru, they would have been almost impossible to undo and we would spend decades fixing it b/c it would be to pic of a fail to scrap.
I have some access to military contracts on smaller scale stuff and i echo what you've said. I cant believe the price manipulations and shameful waste. Its great than medicare fraud and thats saying something.
All fake news networks. Now we know how liberal you really are. No one but a true liberal would read or watch all those fake news networks.
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