Yeah....so....they are pretty good. I know it's SMU but they are good.
20-27 FG (74.1%) in the first half.
5-6 3PT.
20-27 FG (74.1%) in the first half.
5-6 3PT.
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Yeah....so....they are pretty good. I know it's SMU but they are good.
20-27 FG (74.1%) in the first half.
5-6 3PT.
But Kansas remains in a tier of their own.After that win, Gonzaga surpassed both Baylor and Duke in the KenPom rankings.
Yeah well they should try to not win a national championship before Iowa does.It’s a weird year. This team isn’t as good as last years’ team but last years’ would be far and away the best team in the country this year so it’s hard to judge them.
The crazy thing is that this is their gap year. Of Jalen Suggs actually comes and doesn’t go overseas then next years’ team will probably be the best they’ve ever had.
Pretty much. You guys have remained my pick to win it all along. Thought you guys had the most complete team back in October. Still feel that way. I was one of the few non-Jayhawks that picked KU.
Until somebody plays defense against them. Somebody from Baltimore.The Zags and Baylor both seem like a clear notch above the rest to me. Gonzaga is flat out loaded.
I have near zero respect for Gonzaga. They have had one decent run even with all the "unearned" high seeds.Yeah....so....they are pretty good. I know it's SMU but they are good.
20-27 FG (74.1%) in the first half.
5-6 3PT.
I have near zero respect for Gonzaga. They have had one decent run even with all the "unearned" high seeds.
High seeds and they don't earn them. That is the reason. They have had some really good teams but they are never tried by fire.I think Few has at least 3 elite eights the last five tourneys- why the dislike Bert??
High seeds and they don't earn them. That is the reason. They have had some really good teams but they are never tried by fire.
My Kentucky Wildcats also has made three elite eights the last five tourneys, but a couple times they were not high seeds.
Gonzaga plays few good teams to earn a high seed. They get the high seed because they have few losses. If Gonzaga played in the ACC or B1G or any competitive conference they would have few top seeds.
Last year, they beat Duke, Washington(27-9, lost in 2nd round) Arizona, won @ Creighton, lost by 3 to UT, and lost @ North Carolina....I mean thats a pretty good OOC slate. So, in their OOC, they played two 1 seeds,a 3 seed and a 9 seed. In those 4 games, they went 2-2. I mean, what else , or who else, are they supposed to play? Arizona was 4-0 when they beat them. Not Gonzaga's fault they fell apart...Winning at Creighton is tough.High seeds and they don't earn them. That is the reason. They have had some really good teams but they are never tried by fire.
My Kentucky Wildcats also has made three elite eights the last five tourneys, but a couple times they were not high seeds.
Gonzaga plays few good teams to earn a high seed. They get the high seed because they have few losses. If Gonzaga played in the ACC or B1G or any competitive conference they would have few top seeds.
Maybe I'm off, but I took it as comparing.So Bert, using your logic, not counting the elite eight as a good run, Cal has not have a good run since the 15 tourney, correct?
Winning at Creighton is tough.
Crazy.
Maybe I'm off, but I took it as comparing.
Everyone who shits on UK .....nevermind.
Another day.
I like it's starting to get intense. Everyone is starting to worry about seeding and such. This year is so wide open, can you imagine the storylines of UNC winning the ACCT, them flaming out in the first round?Valid, but I only talked about Kentucky since Bert brought them into the discussion
2015-----Final Four(1 seed)
My Kentucky Wildcats also has made three elite eights the last five tourneys, but a couple times they were not high seeds. .
He got the 3 Elite 8's right.2015-----Final Four(1 seed)
2017----Elite 8 (2 seed)
2019---Elite 8 (2 seed)
Bert, I love ya, brother. But..............
Sure they have benefited. I mean, who doesn't? Cal has always said---"Its about seeding." I mean, right? They lived up to their seeding.zero doubt, they're right there, high seeds seem to be the debate.
have they benefited from high seeds?
Is it? Crazy.
Witch-a-ta stateSure they have benefited. I mean, who doesn't? Cal has always said---"Its about seeding." I mean, right? They lived up to their seeding.
I have near zero respect for Gonzaga. They have had one decent run even with all the "unearned" high seeds.
a) since 2015, b) all that can change with a single tournament, but yes, since 2015 very few wins separate them. Maybe seeding helps with their early round win totals. Just guessing.You should probably start respecting them a little more. They're tied for the second most tournament wins since 2015.
Most NCAA Tournament wins (2015-2019):
UNC- 16
Gonzaga- 15
Duke- 15
Villanova- 15
Kentucky- 13
Kansas- 12
a) since 2015, b) all that can change with a single tournament, but yes, since 2015 very few wins separate them. Maybe seeding helps with their early round win totals. Just guessing.
why do you shit on my fandom/bias.Gonzaga
2017: 1 seed - 5 wins
2019: 1 seed - 3 wins
2015: 2 seed - 3 wins
2018: 4 seed - 2 wins
2016: 11 seed - 2 wins
Kentucky
2015: 1 seed - 4 wins
2017: 2 seed - 3 wins
2019: 2 seed - 3 wins
2016: 4 seed - 1 win
2018: 5 seed - 2 wins
Not much difference between the seedings of Gonzaga and Kentucky. They've both been a 1 or 2 seed three times in the past 5 years. They were both a 4 seed once. Kentucky's worse seed was a 5 seed, while Gonzaga was an 11 seed. Zags still able to win 2 games in 2016 as #11 seed.
The bolded part is so deceitful. The one 11 seed eschews the 1, 1, 2 & 4 seeds.lol you guys are funny. I mean, if Gonzaga truly didn't deserve being a high seed, they wouldn't win in the tournament. Simple as that. They've only been a 1 or 2 seed on five different occasions. Never were they ranked below 7th on KenPom in any of those seasons. Here's a little comparison of how they stack up with other top programs over the past 5 years.
UNC
Seeds: 4, 1, 1, 2, 1
Average Seed: 1.8
Median: 1
Tournament Wins: 16
Gonzaga
Seeds: 2, 11, 1, 4, 1
Average Seed: 3.8
Median: 2
Tournament Wins: 15
Duke
Seeds: 1, 4, 2, 2, 1
Average Seed: 2.0
Median: 2
Tournament Wins: 15
Villanova
Seeds: 1, 2, 1, 1, 6
Average Seed: 2.2
Median: 1
Tournament Wins: 15
Kentucky
Seeds: 1, 4, 2, 5, 2
Average Seed: 2.8
Median: 2
Tournament Wins: 13
Kansas
Seeds: 2, 1, 1, 1, 4
Average Seed: 1.8
Median: 1
Tournament Wins: 12
Virginia
Seeds: 2, 1, 5, 1, 1
Average Seed: 2.0
Median: 1
Tournament Wins: 11
RECAP
Average Seed (Tournament Wins in Parenthesis):
UNC- 1.8 (16)
Kansas- 1.8 (12)
Virginia- 2.0 (11)
Duke- 2.0 (15)
Villanova- 2.2 (15)
Kentucky- 2.8 (13)
Gonzaga- 3.8 (15)
Of the seven schools listed, Gonzaga has the lowest average seed, and yet they're tied for the second most wins. Time to give it up, guys. Gonzaga may continue to fall short in March, but they're a legitimate top 5-10 team. And they haven't been choking in the early rounds like every single one of the power schools has done at some point in the past 5 years.
The bolded part is so deceitful. The one 11 seed eschews the 1, 1, 2 & 4 seeds.
Spitting faxThat's why I also used the median. Take out the 11 seed, and make them a 6 seed. Then they have the same 5-year average as Kentucky. As it is, Gonzaga is 9-4 when they're a double-digit seed.
Whenever he has free time, @dukedevilz should also look at average seed earned vs. average recruiting class rankings. We make so much out of tourney wins based on seed but some teams are clearly overperforming in the regular season based on recruiting rankings and some are underperforming.
If Gonzaga played Duke, I would root for Duke. The Zags get all of the Western treatment.
They suck.
Whenever he has free time, @dukedevilz should also look at average seed earned vs. average recruiting class rankings. We make so much out of tourney wins based on seed but some teams are clearly overperforming in the regular season based on recruiting rankings and some are underperforming.
It would.Wow. You really do hate Gonzaga. I think the Zags would gladly play in a better conference, if there was one that actually made sense. Pac-12 ain't letting a Jesuit school into their conference anytime ever.
You guys haven't played the Zags in the tournament yet. I think you're due for a clash. I think it would be an entertaining matchup, if nothing else.